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Post by stokesupporter on Nov 26, 2019 22:00:57 GMT
I think he had a reasonably good game considering he is not a natural wing back. Keep it up lad!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 26, 2019 22:01:54 GMT
He was awful, he's just not a full back and offers nothing in an attacking sense.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 26, 2019 22:02:00 GMT
I dont mind him better than most. Just wished he looked to go forward more.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 26, 2019 22:03:08 GMT
...but with no full backs being able to double up and deliver decent crosses we are even more predictable.
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Post by apb1 on Nov 26, 2019 22:05:17 GMT
Edwards, for all his shortcomings, can cross a ball. We missed that - I would have brought him on for the last 10 instead of Hogan.
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Post by stokesupporter on Nov 26, 2019 22:09:22 GMT
I dont mind him better than most. Just wished he looked to go forward more. Needs more time for playing that position to became a proper WB. I agree that he was rather cautious of going forward and that's the reason I used the word "considering" in my opening post.
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Post by chad on Nov 26, 2019 22:11:13 GMT
Edwards is much better. I think CCV will be buggered off back to Spuds at the first opportunity
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 26, 2019 22:13:09 GMT
Played like a centre half shoehorned into the wrong position. Not comfortable on the ball and offered us nothing moving forward.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 26, 2019 22:16:13 GMT
I dont mind him better than most. Just wished he looked to go forward more. He went forward more than ince and he didn't give hoilett a kick. If the rest of them did as well as him we wouldn't have lost
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 22:18:06 GMT
I thought he was very solid and one shining light in a sea of muck. Two games at right back now and sadly better than anything I've seen recently from Tommy Smith, Tom Edwards and going back further, Moritz Bauer.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 27, 2019 0:14:41 GMT
So many people judge players on preconceived prejudices. He was not a problem tonight, passed well, got forward to support Ince and crossed more than our so called winger. He is much steadier than Edwards and you won't see him easily knocked off the ball like Edwards often is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 0:36:32 GMT
He was solid.
Having Danny Batth next to you canโt be easy for whoever plays there.....
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2019 0:42:18 GMT
He's a better RB than CD but I doubt hell be part of Micks long term plans once he gets his own full back in.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 27, 2019 0:45:34 GMT
He looked too slow to be a wing back and offered little in attack in my opinion.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 27, 2019 9:07:53 GMT
He looked too slow to be a wing back and offered little in attack in my opinion. As I said before I bet he put in more crosses than Ince. I think it was about 85 minutes before I saw Ince cross.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 27, 2019 9:33:47 GMT
If someone can get some full back tendencies coached into him, he could be half decent as I don't think he's big enough to play centre back anyway. He's not bad on the ball and is probably quick enough to play there but he's just too safe and lacking in an attacking nous to play there convincingly. He looked like what he was, a centre back playing at right back.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 27, 2019 10:53:13 GMT
He looked too slow to be a wing back and offered little in attack in my opinion. As I said before I bet he put in more crosses than Ince. I think it was about 85 minutes before I saw Ince cross. He was relatively solid at the back, I thought, but more crosses or not he wasn't quick enough or creative enough to be a wing back... well certainly not on yesterdays evidence anyway. Ince was disappointing as usual but I wasnt referring to him. We certainly need better wingers but that's been the case since we lost Arnautovic
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Post by cheadlestokie on Nov 27, 2019 10:59:43 GMT
He is not a full back though is he. He is decent on the ball as a centre half but has attcking/overlapping as a full back is not his strength. I think there is a decent player there at centre back alongside a good commanding centre half such as Shawcross in his pomp (but certainly not Baath)
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 27, 2019 11:44:52 GMT
I reckon all would look better with an actual right footed winger in front of them that could receive a ball, beat a man and get a cross in
As it is they pass to Ince, who slows play, cant beat a man on the outside as no right foot (or pace it seems), and does the obvious move inside hoping for an overlap, which by the time it occurs there are 5 opposition players back and we don't get a cross in!
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Post by wuzza on Nov 27, 2019 11:56:53 GMT
Thought his interview after the game was good - hit the nail on the head with nearly everything he said. I suppose stage one is that the players at least realise where itโs all going amiss.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 13:35:32 GMT
He wouldn't have looked so bad attacking if it weren't for how bad our left side is
I'd happily sign him where we could transition in the game into a back three (he was a centre half after-all) and let the left back push up massively.
Does rely on a competent left back though...
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 27, 2019 13:46:38 GMT
If we had decent wingers we don't need overlapping fullbacks to cross. In fact I'm sure Pulis went apoplectic if a fullback dared to overlap.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 27, 2019 17:21:14 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on Dec 1, 2019 20:21:53 GMT
O Neill before Barnsley:
We're going to play a system that suits the players and play them in the positions they're used to.
So why are we playing a centre back at right back when we already have two of those?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 1, 2019 21:10:58 GMT
Remember last year when Derby had Harry Wilson and Mason Mount on loan? Villa had Tammy Abraham. West Brom had Harvey Barnes and Dwight Gayle. Game changers.
We've got Scott Hogan and Cameron Carter-Vickers. (Mark Duffy was a panic loan - quality footballer who just doesn't suit our club)
Our use of the loan market is abysmal, in and out.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 1, 2019 21:45:11 GMT
Remember last year when Derby had Harry Wilson and Mason Mount on loan? Villa had Tammy Abraham. West Brom had Harvey Barnes and Dwight Gayle. Game changers. We've got Scott Hogan and Cameron Carter-Vickers. (Mark Duffy was a panic loan - quality footballer who just doesn't suit our club) Our use of the loan market is abysmal, in and out. Nothing wrong with the process according to the chief executive
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 21:50:54 GMT
Remember last year when Derby had Harry Wilson and Mason Mount on loan? Villa had Tammy Abraham. West Brom had Harvey Barnes and Dwight Gayle. Game changers. We've got Scott Hogan and Cameron Carter-Vickers. (Mark Duffy was a panic loan - quality footballer who just doesn't suit our club) Our use of the loan market is abysmal, in and out. Nothing wrong with the process according to the chief executive Boozer dog nango, rip william splot tickle knickers. "Fuck this for a game of soldiers I'm off" Gurn woozlesnapper ptang plop stunker.
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Post by Timmy on Dec 1, 2019 22:35:25 GMT
We desperately need fullbacks in the January window. Mr Carter Vickers shouldn't be played out there on the right side of defence, properly hung out to dry! When he receives the ball he will always look to pass sideways back to batth or Woods. On one occasion he tried to pick diouf out ๐
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Post by Gods on Dec 1, 2019 22:45:31 GMT
I said on another thread he's a magnificent physical specimen, unusual upper body bulk for a footballer, built more like a rugby league player. There must be a sport out there for him, I'm just not sure it's football. Astonishing to think he is on the books at Tottenham Hotspur but then so was Kev Wimmer and Spurs did us up like a kipper on that one. I'd hate to see history repeat itself
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Post by theoptimist on Dec 1, 2019 22:59:04 GMT
Remember last year when Derby had Harry Wilson and Mason Mount on loan? Villa had Tammy Abraham. West Brom had Harvey Barnes and Dwight Gayle. Game changers. We've got Scott Hogan and Cameron Carter-Vickers. (Mark Duffy was a panic loan - quality footballer who just doesn't suit our club) Our use of the loan market is abysmal, in and out. Spot on. Pretty damning stuff!
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