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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2019 21:43:49 GMT
Some concerning replies on this thread again. As with all these events the last people to be considered are the innocent. Young children along with men, women and families will have been caught up in an horrific experience and I genuinely hope that they are getting all the support they need following such an event. All of which has taken place at a large entertainment venue in front of hundreds of people and we have people clamouring for shootings and taserings - more violence and disorder for those innocent people to watch but this time coming from the "good guys" the lasting affect would have been awful. Taser's were drawn and I think the Police should be congratulated for dealing with the issue in full and for want of a better expression minimum fuss. Some of the responses to tasers being something that we point and press is laughable. Officers are required to attend 18 hours of training and have yearly refresher courses. Yes anybody can point and press but what happens if that person then goes into cardiac arrest or do we simply no longer care. Training is there for a reason. Arrests have been made thankfully in fact numerous and I hope that those families attending can soon gain the confidence to carry on their daily tasks. I too was "armed to the tooth" by the British Armed Forces and I do support the use of deadly force where necessary, but do I want to see our own Police force shooting down teenagers at Cinema complexes - not particularly. I also feel out Police Force has a lot of work to still be done but on this occasion I would congratulate them for how well they handled the overall situation. Seven officers were injured thankfully not badly, my point is that these kids were intent on civil disorder and armed with the intent of wounding or worse, at what point do you decided what reasonable force is needed to protect the public at large and front line officers ? Tasers are carried for a reason should our law differentiate between minors and adults when it comes to carrying lethal weapons ? Arrests have been made woe what punishment will these wanna be gangsta kids be given ?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 25, 2019 22:02:26 GMT
Some concerning replies on this thread again. As with all these events the last people to be considered are the innocent. Young children along with men, women and families will have been caught up in an horrific experience and I genuinely hope that they are getting all the support they need following such an event. All of which has taken place at a large entertainment venue in front of hundreds of people and we have people clamouring for shootings and taserings - more violence and disorder for those innocent people to watch but this time coming from the "good guys" the lasting affect would have been awful. Taser's were drawn and I think the Police should be congratulated for dealing with the issue in full and for want of a better expression minimum fuss. Some of the responses to tasers being something that we point and press is laughable. Officers are required to attend 18 hours of training and have yearly refresher courses. Yes anybody can point and press but what happens if that person then goes into cardiac arrest or do we simply no longer care. Training is there for a reason. Arrests have been made thankfully in fact numerous and I hope that those families attending can soon gain the confidence to carry on their daily tasks. I too was "armed to the tooth" by the British Armed Forces and I do support the use of deadly force where necessary, but do I want to see our own Police force shooting down teenagers at Cinema complexes - not particularly. I also feel out Police Force has a lot of work to still be done but on this occasion I would congratulate them for how well they handled the overall situation. Seven officers were injured thankfully not badly, my point is that these kids were intent on civil disorder and armed with the intent of wounding or worse, at what point do you decided what reasonable force is needed to protect the public at large and front line officers ? Tasers are carried for a reason should our law differentiate between minors and adults when it comes to carrying lethal weapons ? Arrests have been made woe what punishment will these wanna be gangsta kids be given ? Agree I don't want to see any officers being injured but they have thankfully been described as minor (I dont believe any details have been released but I hope these are no more than cuts and bruises) The point is neither me or you decide when reasonable force is used as it is left to the professionals and leaders in the Police Service to determine those matters based on their experience. That is no different than yours or my time in the forces where you wouldnt want civilians advising you what was right/wrong or even reasonable. The law doesnt differentiate, tasers have been used on children and animals in the past (whether you feel this is right or not is your own opinion) but ultimately it falls to the officers or superiors opinion on "reasonable force" In terms of punishment, we probably agree that not enough will be done and we would all love to see firm sentences being handed out but unfortunately this knife epidemic needs killing at the root and that takes us down the rabbit hole of society. Overall I think we should be applauding WMP for their handling and be thankful that they can diffuse situation like this peacefully without resorting to becoming the "Guarda Civil" We are probably closer on this issue than it may appear though overall.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2019 22:15:35 GMT
Seven officers were injured thankfully not badly, my point is that these kids were intent on civil disorder and armed with the intent of wounding or worse, at what point do you decided what reasonable force is needed to protect the public at large and front line officers ? Tasers are carried for a reason should our law differentiate between minors and adults when it comes to carrying lethal weapons ? Arrests have been made woe what punishment will these wanna be gangsta kids be given ? Agree I don't want to see any officers being injured but they have thankfully been described as minor (I dont believe any details have been released but I hope these are no more than cuts and bruises) The point is neither me or you decide when reasonable force is used as it is left to the professionals and leaders in the Police Service to determine those matters based on their experience. That is no different than yours or my time in the forces where you wouldnt want civilians advising you what was right/wrong or even reasonable. The law doesnt differentiate, tasers have been used on children and animals in the past (whether you feel this is right or not is your own opinion) but ultimately it falls to the officers or superiors opinion on "reasonable force" In terms of punishment, we probably agree that not enough will be done and we would all love to see firm sentences being handed out but unfortunately this knife epidemic needs killing at the root and that takes us down the rabbit hole of society. Overall I think we should be applauding WMP for their handling and be thankful that they can diffuse situation like this peacefully without resorting to becoming the "Guarda Civil" We are probably closer on this issue than it may appear though overall. Fair enough mukka we will have to agree to disagree on this occasion, however this is a result of our authorities not taking this issue by the scruff of the neck, I think we all know that the police in particular are been strangled by PC, it is blatantly obvious what communities the vast majority of these knife wielding crims. originate from yet we are failing to target the source ! if we don't this will only continue to escalate and I sense you know that. Targeted stop and search makes sense to most of us with any common sense that is i.m.o.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 25, 2019 22:35:57 GMT
Agree I don't want to see any officers being injured but they have thankfully been described as minor (I dont believe any details have been released but I hope these are no more than cuts and bruises) The point is neither me or you decide when reasonable force is used as it is left to the professionals and leaders in the Police Service to determine those matters based on their experience. That is no different than yours or my time in the forces where you wouldnt want civilians advising you what was right/wrong or even reasonable. The law doesnt differentiate, tasers have been used on children and animals in the past (whether you feel this is right or not is your own opinion) but ultimately it falls to the officers or superiors opinion on "reasonable force" In terms of punishment, we probably agree that not enough will be done and we would all love to see firm sentences being handed out but unfortunately this knife epidemic needs killing at the root and that takes us down the rabbit hole of society. Overall I think we should be applauding WMP for their handling and be thankful that they can diffuse situation like this peacefully without resorting to becoming the "Guarda Civil" We are probably closer on this issue than it may appear though overall. Fair enough mukka we will have to agree to disagree on this occasion, however this is a result of our authorities not taking this issue by the scruff of the neck, I think we all know that the police in particular are been strangled by PC, it is blatantly obvious what communities the vast majority of these knife wielding crims. originate from yet we are failing to target the source ! if we don't this will only continue to escalate and I sense you know that. Targeted stop and search makes sense to most of us with any common sense that is i.m.o. I dont think we disagree on much on this one though and I do mean that. I've no issue with stop and search given the situation we are in. I think it would be a fair observation that the majority of knife crime in this country is committed by young BAME groups. The area we disagree on this particular point is that I believe more needs to be done especially in large cities when it comes to social improvements but it needs to be coordinated by people who have grown up in that environment not by the latest Eton or Cambridge graduate. On the initial point I would say again not enough emphasis is placed on the real tragedy here and that is youngster and their families having to witness what took place at Star City. From your responses I think when you step back and look at it you would agree that the situation was controlled extremely well and the follow up has been swift. I certainly dont believe you are the type of person who would advocate needless taserings/shootings especially on teenagers in front of families but I can appreciate it is an emotional subject and more does need to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 1:32:52 GMT
I reckon we should go into inner city areas and handout loads of weapons, guns, swords everything and immunity from prosecution.
Our police are too wank to do anything as borderline social workers/inclusivity specialists.
Surely they'd eventually get bored of actual killings and the pretenders won't be acting tough as actual consequences.
Let the yoof dem police themselves.
We could actually razor wire up the worst estates and start some hunger games style show with ant and Dec.
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Post by felonious on Nov 26, 2019 6:37:01 GMT
Some concerning replies on this thread again. As with all these events the last people to be considered are the innocent. Young children along with men, women and families will have been caught up in an horrific experience and I genuinely hope that they are getting all the support they need following such an event. All of which has taken place at a large entertainment venue in front of hundreds of people and we have people clamouring for shootings and taserings - more violence and disorder for those innocent people to watch but this time coming from the "good guys" the lasting affect would have been awful. Taser's were drawn and I think the Police should be congratulated for dealing with the issue in full and for want of a better expression minimum fuss. Some of the responses to tasers being something that we point and press is laughable. Officers are required to attend 18 hours of training and have yearly refresher courses. Yes anybody can point and press but what happens if that person then goes into cardiac arrest or do we simply no longer care. Training is there for a reason. Arrests have been made thankfully in fact numerous and I hope that those families attending can soon gain the confidence to carry on their daily tasks. I too was "armed to the tooth" by the British Armed Forces and I do support the use of deadly force where necessary, but do I want to see our own Police force shooting down teenagers at Cinema complexes - not particularly. I also feel out Police Force has a lot of work to still be done but on this occasion I would congratulate them for how well they handled the overall situation. I would imagine that our well trained police force are now fairly shit scared to use a taser following the recent murder charge on an officer even when faced with a machete. There were officers injured in this incident perhaps the use of a taser may have prevented that.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 26, 2019 7:55:50 GMT
Some concerning replies on this thread again. As with all these events the last people to be considered are the innocent. Young children along with men, women and families will have been caught up in an horrific experience and I genuinely hope that they are getting all the support they need following such an event. All of which has taken place at a large entertainment venue in front of hundreds of people and we have people clamouring for shootings and taserings - more violence and disorder for those innocent people to watch but this time coming from the "good guys" the lasting affect would have been awful. Taser's were drawn and I think the Police should be congratulated for dealing with the issue in full and for want of a better expression minimum fuss. Some of the responses to tasers being something that we point and press is laughable. Officers are required to attend 18 hours of training and have yearly refresher courses. Yes anybody can point and press but what happens if that person then goes into cardiac arrest or do we simply no longer care. Training is there for a reason. Arrests have been made thankfully in fact numerous and I hope that those families attending can soon gain the confidence to carry on their daily tasks. I too was "armed to the tooth" by the British Armed Forces and I do support the use of deadly force where necessary, but do I want to see our own Police force shooting down teenagers at Cinema complexes - not particularly. I also feel out Police Force has a lot of work to still be done but on this occasion I would congratulate them for how well they handled the overall situation. I would imagine that our well trained police force are now fairly shit scared to use a taser following the recent murder charge on an officer even when faced with a machete. There were officers injured in this incident perhaps the use of a taser may have prevented that. Which is my point they carry Tasers for protection if they are not going to use them then don't bother carrying them, it's ludicrous that we allow these criminal weapon carrying "kids" run amok on our streets.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 26, 2019 8:03:15 GMT
What actually brought this on anyway? Rival gangs turning up to watch the film?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 26, 2019 17:03:33 GMT
Some concerning replies on this thread again. As with all these events the last people to be considered are the innocent. Young children along with men, women and families will have been caught up in an horrific experience and I genuinely hope that they are getting all the support they need following such an event. All of which has taken place at a large entertainment venue in front of hundreds of people and we have people clamouring for shootings and taserings - more violence and disorder for those innocent people to watch but this time coming from the "good guys" the lasting affect would have been awful. Taser's were drawn and I think the Police should be congratulated for dealing with the issue in full and for want of a better expression minimum fuss. Some of the responses to tasers being something that we point and press is laughable. Officers are required to attend 18 hours of training and have yearly refresher courses. Yes anybody can point and press but what happens if that person then goes into cardiac arrest or do we simply no longer care. Training is there for a reason. Arrests have been made thankfully in fact numerous and I hope that those families attending can soon gain the confidence to carry on their daily tasks. I too was "armed to the tooth" by the British Armed Forces and I do support the use of deadly force where necessary, but do I want to see our own Police force shooting down teenagers at Cinema complexes - not particularly. I also feel out Police Force has a lot of work to still be done but on this occasion I would congratulate them for how well they handled the overall situation. I would imagine that our well trained police force are now fairly shit scared to use a taser following the recent murder charge on an officer even when faced with a machete. There were officers injured in this incident perhaps the use of a taser may have prevented that. But they are clearly not shit scared as tasers were drawn at this very incident. I am guessing you are alluding to Dalian Atkinson? 2 officers have been suspended and subsequently charged so maybe best to see what evidence is released in court first before drawing conclusions either way? To the best of my knowledge details of the minor injuries have not been released and as I have said above I would assume that this will means minor cuts and bruises, which when dealing with large crowds has to be somewhat expected in the profession. Again though no mention of the real innocent victims of which are children and families having to witness the event. No thanks or congratulations to WMP for dispersing and controlling the situation without having to resort to violent actions. What is it exactly that you would have wanted to be done differently? And before we come to the lazy conclusion of "tasering the fucker with the machete" let's remember that this was in a built up public area, tensions and trust in the police in these communities is already low and what medical preventions were on standby? I cannot believe that after the police have dealt with this situation so professionally and peacefully the reason we have people reacting is because there was not enough violence used. So you now have the floor, tell us all how this specific situation could have been handled better.
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Post by felonious on Nov 26, 2019 20:38:40 GMT
I would imagine that our well trained police force are now fairly shit scared to use a taser following the recent murder charge on an officer even when faced with a machete. There were officers injured in this incident perhaps the use of a taser may have prevented that. But they are clearly not shit scared as tasers were drawn at this very incident. I am guessing you are alluding to Dalian Atkinson? 2 officers have been suspended and subsequently charged so maybe best to see what evidence is released in court first before drawing conclusions either way? To the best of my knowledge details of the minor injuries have not been released and as I have said above I would assume that this will means minor cuts and bruises, which when dealing with large crowds has to be somewhat expected in the profession. Again though no mention of the real innocent victims of which are children and families having to witness the event. No thanks or congratulations to WMP for dispersing and controlling the situation without having to resort to violent actions. What is it exactly that you would have wanted to be done differently? And before we come to the lazy conclusion of "tasering the fucker with the machete" let's remember that this was in a built up public area, tensions and trust in the police in these communities is already low and what medical preventions were on standby? I cannot believe that after the police have dealt with this situation so professionally and peacefully the reason we have people reacting is because there was not enough violence used. So you now have the floor, tell us all how this specific situation could have been handled better. You're making some hefty assumptions on my behalf. Does tasers were drawn mean that tasers were used? It's my belief that because of the Dalian Atkinson case police officers will be more cautious about using tasers even when in life threatening situations and potentially violent situations when their careers are finished by a court case. Put yourself in the situation of these officers with today's knowledge of the level of knife crime, etc it's not getting easier. There's no doubt in this situation that they were probably unable to judge the situation they faced until they were confronted by it with these little bastards armed up to the level of machetes. The days of talking to youths are probably long gone. I'm surprised by your comments because it's me who's concerned for the police and the public. Women and children cowering on the floor going to see Frozen 2 FFS. It's you who's concerned for the criminals.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 26, 2019 21:46:27 GMT
But they are clearly not shit scared as tasers were drawn at this very incident. I am guessing you are alluding to Dalian Atkinson? 2 officers have been suspended and subsequently charged so maybe best to see what evidence is released in court first before drawing conclusions either way? To the best of my knowledge details of the minor injuries have not been released and as I have said above I would assume that this will means minor cuts and bruises, which when dealing with large crowds has to be somewhat expected in the profession. Again though no mention of the real innocent victims of which are children and families having to witness the event. No thanks or congratulations to WMP for dispersing and controlling the situation without having to resort to violent actions. What is it exactly that you would have wanted to be done differently? And before we come to the lazy conclusion of "tasering the fucker with the machete" let's remember that this was in a built up public area, tensions and trust in the police in these communities is already low and what medical preventions were on standby? I cannot believe that after the police have dealt with this situation so professionally and peacefully the reason we have people reacting is because there was not enough violence used. So you now have the floor, tell us all how this specific situation could have been handled better. You're making some hefty assumptions on my behalf. Does tasers were drawn mean that tasers were used? It's my belief that because of the Dalian Atkinson case police officers will be more cautious about using tasers even when in life threatening situations and potentially violent situations when their careers are finished by a court case. Put yourself in the situation of these officers with today's knowledge of the level of knife crime, etc it's not getting easier. There's no doubt in this situation that they were probably unable to judge the situation they faced until they were confronted by it with these little bastards armed up to the level of machetes. The days of talking to youths are probably long gone. I'm surprised by your comments because it's me who's concerned for the police and the public. Women and children cowering on the floor going to see Frozen 2 FFS. It's you who's concerned for the criminals. As suspected there is nothing you would change as you recognise the situation was dealt with and handled in the best possible manner. What assumptions have I made on your behalf exactly? And I am at a complete loss with regards your last paragraph. I suppose it is used to deflect and hide from answering any questions I have asked. I dotn think a single person on this thread mentioned anything to do with the women kids and children until I highlighted in my first post that this is where the real sadness of this whole situation is. If you read the remainder of my posts how you can come to any conclusion that I am "concerned for criminals" again please point it out. I cant put myself in the position of the police because I am not a member of the police service. As an initial deterrent I actively support the Police carrying tasers to be used within their reasonable force directive, I don't know anybody who wouldnt. So back to the point where do you feel in this scenario that the Police should have handled this situation better?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 26, 2019 22:17:40 GMT
You're making some hefty assumptions on my behalf. Does tasers were drawn mean that tasers were used? It's my belief that because of the Dalian Atkinson case police officers will be more cautious about using tasers even when in life threatening situations and potentially violent situations when their careers are finished by a court case. Put yourself in the situation of these officers with today's knowledge of the level of knife crime, etc it's not getting easier. There's no doubt in this situation that they were probably unable to judge the situation they faced until they were confronted by it with these little bastards armed up to the level of machetes. The days of talking to youths are probably long gone. I'm surprised by your comments because it's me who's concerned for the police and the public. Women and children cowering on the floor going to see Frozen 2 FFS. It's you who's concerned for the criminals. As suspected there is nothing you would change as you recognise the situation was dealt with and handled in the best possible manner. What assumptions have I made on your behalf exactly? And I am at a complete loss with regards your last paragraph. I suppose it is used to deflect and hide from answering any questions I have asked. I dotn think a single person on this thread mentioned anything to do with the women kids and children until I highlighted in my first post that this is where the real sadness of this whole situation is. If you read the remainder of my posts how you can come to any conclusion that I am "concerned for criminals" again please point it out. I cant put myself in the position of the police because I am not a member of the police service. As an initial deterrent I actively support the Police carrying tasers to be used within their reasonable force directive, I don't know anybody who wouldnt. So back to the point where do you feel in this scenario that the Police should have handled this situation better? My concern is that our Police force is becoming more of a peace keeping force hamstrung by the PC obsessed autorities, I think we both know that is not an ideal or acceptable situation for law enforcement of any kind it's like fighting with one arm tied behind your back, it would be interesting to find out how many of these weapon wielding scrotes sustained any injuries, their job is to protect and serve the public who pay their wages. The situation they were faced with imo. was life threatening to the public at large and themselves, I understand your viewpoint re. those people who witnessed this crime, however their safety should have been the priority ! by not using Tasers to disarm these wannabe gangsta twats they put innocent lives in danger, how would that sit with you if some innocent decent child or adult had been maimed or killed.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 26, 2019 23:16:07 GMT
As suspected there is nothing you would change as you recognise the situation was dealt with and handled in the best possible manner. What assumptions have I made on your behalf exactly? And I am at a complete loss with regards your last paragraph. I suppose it is used to deflect and hide from answering any questions I have asked. I dotn think a single person on this thread mentioned anything to do with the women kids and children until I highlighted in my first post that this is where the real sadness of this whole situation is. If you read the remainder of my posts how you can come to any conclusion that I am "concerned for criminals" again please point it out. I cant put myself in the position of the police because I am not a member of the police service. As an initial deterrent I actively support the Police carrying tasers to be used within their reasonable force directive, I don't know anybody who wouldnt. So back to the point where do you feel in this scenario that the Police should have handled this situation better? My concern is that our Police force is becoming more of a peace keeping force hamstrung by the PC obsessed autorities, I think we both know that is not an ideal or acceptable situation for law enforcement of any kind it's like fighting with one arm tied behind your back, it would be interesting to find out how many of these weapon wielding scrotes sustained any injuries, their job is to protect and serve the public who pay their wages. The situation they were faced with imo. was life threatening to the public at large and themselves, I understand your viewpoint re. those people who witnessed this crime, however their safety should have been the priority ! by not using Tasers to disarm these wannabe gangsta twats they put innocent lives in danger, how would that sit with you if some innocent decent child or adult had been maimed or killed. The point here though mate is that this entire situation was defused in a completely peaceful way. There have been no major injuries sustained, arrests made and has been completed using the appropriate procedure. Tasers were drawn but to the best of my knowledge not discharged as this along with the dispersal tactics has ended the situation and I camt understand why that isn't being applauded given the situation and surroundings? Again we are making judgements that the Police feel they are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs, if any police officer feels that way then change needs to come from within the police force imo not from us outsiders. I don't know how many times I have said it but I support them carrying tasers following the necessary training and their judgement on reasonable force. We are not disagreeing on this point I'm with you all the way - but talking on this scenario I dont think it could have been handled any more professionally or better. It is also the reason felonious cannot provide me with an answer but has instead started hurling the usual soundbites: I'm assuming his position. I'm sticking up for the criminals. The impact of the police tasering the little shit would give some cathartic release, but it's the long term impact we have to and must consider.
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Post by felonious on Nov 27, 2019 12:27:01 GMT
They were there to see Frozen 2 The director of a film at the centre of a storm over violence in cinemas has said he feels "bullied" and "cheated" after it was banned by the Vue chain. Rapman said Blue Story had nothing to do with a mass brawl involving machetes at a Vue in Birmingham, which left seven police officers injured. Vue pulled the British film, saying it had sparked 25 incidents nationwide. But Rapman said there "was no link to Blue Story" and asked whether there were "hidden reasons" behind the ban. Five teenagers were arrested after the fight in Birmingham's Star City complex on Saturday. The writer and director told BBC arts editor Will Gompertz: "They were just in a cinema apparently for Frozen [2], but then they pinned it on Blue Story." Vue said there had been a total of 25 "significant incidents" at its sites around the country, all involving people either watching, buying tickets for, going in to watch or leaving screenings of Blue Story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50566057
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Post by foster on Nov 28, 2019 11:12:00 GMT
They were there to see Frozen 2 The director of a film at the centre of a storm over violence in cinemas has said he feels "bullied" and "cheated" after it was banned by the Vue chain. Rapman said Blue Story had nothing to do with a mass brawl involving machetes at a Vue in Birmingham, which left seven police officers injured. Vue pulled the British film, saying it had sparked 25 incidents nationwide. But Rapman said there "was no link to Blue Story" and asked whether there were "hidden reasons" behind the ban. Five teenagers were arrested after the fight in Birmingham's Star City complex on Saturday. The writer and director told BBC arts editor Will Gompertz: "They were just in a cinema apparently for Frozen [2], but then they pinned it on Blue Story." Vue said there had been a total of 25 "significant incidents" at its sites around the country, all involving people either watching, buying tickets for, going in to watch or leaving screenings of Blue Story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50566057Having never heard of the film I decided to watch the trailer. Looked shit.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 28, 2019 11:22:53 GMT
I would imagine that our well trained police force are now fairly shit scared to use a taser following the recent murder charge on an officer even when faced with a machete. There were officers injured in this incident perhaps the use of a taser may have prevented that. Which is my point they carry Tasers for protection if they are not going to use them then don't bother carrying them, it's ludicrous that we allow these criminal weapon carrying "kids" run amok on our streets. I dont think they are going to take the chance of killing someone when there are and were other options.They dont use them on our football hooligans (I dont think so anyway)which is just as dangerous as this incident was.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 28, 2019 12:00:06 GMT
Did this kind of thing happen when Football Factory or Green Street came out?
Thankfully we didn't have factions of Italians with machine guns when Goodfellas was in the cinema 😎
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 28, 2019 13:28:29 GMT
Which is my point they carry Tasers for protection if they are not going to use them then don't bother carrying them, it's ludicrous that we allow these criminal weapon carrying "kids" run amok on our streets. I dont think they are going to take the chance of killing someone when there are and were other options.They dont use them on our football hooligans (I dont think so anyway)which is just as dangerous as this incident was. Wrong they have been used on alleged football hooligans, try searching it might surprise you ! I have never seen football hooligans carrying machetes in venues in this country have you ?
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Post by stillgame4it on Nov 28, 2019 17:06:38 GMT
Did this kind of thing happen when Football Factory or Green Street came out? Thankfully we didn't have factions of Italians with machine guns when Goodfellas was in the cinema 😎 It was Team Olaf v Team Elsa according to that idiot who made the "other" film 🙄
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 28, 2019 21:39:13 GMT
Did this kind of thing happen when Football Factory or Green Street came out? Thankfully we didn't have factions of Italians with machine guns when Goodfellas was in the cinema 😎 It was Team Olaf v Team Elsa according to that idiot who made the "other" film 🙄 Don't dis the fam man, dees bros are serias shit man innit blud. An insight into our future
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 28, 2019 22:37:25 GMT
Which is my point they carry Tasers for protection if they are not going to use them then don't bother carrying them, it's ludicrous that we allow these criminal weapon carrying "kids" run amok on our streets. I dont think they are going to take the chance of killing someone when there are and were other options.They dont use them on our football hooligans (I dont think so anyway)which is just as dangerous as this incident was. So you are happy to take the chance of innocent people been killed by a machete wielding gangsta wannabe I take it strange logic smegy bread.
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 28, 2019 22:39:55 GMT
My concern is that our Police force is becoming more of a peace keeping force hamstrung by the PC obsessed autorities, I think we both know that is not an ideal or acceptable situation for law enforcement of any kind it's like fighting with one arm tied behind your back, it would be interesting to find out how many of these weapon wielding scrotes sustained any injuries, their job is to protect and serve the public who pay their wages. The situation they were faced with imo. was life threatening to the public at large and themselves, I understand your viewpoint re. those people who witnessed this crime, however their safety should have been the priority ! by not using Tasers to disarm these wannabe gangsta twats they put innocent lives in danger, how would that sit with you if some innocent decent child or adult had been maimed or killed. The point here though mate is that this entire situation was defused in a completely peaceful way. There have been no major injuries sustained, arrests made and has been completed using the appropriate procedure. Tasers were drawn but to the best of my knowledge not discharged as this along with the dispersal tactics has ended the situation and I camt understand why that isn't being applauded given the situation and surroundings? Again we are making judgements that the Police feel they are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs, if any police officer feels that way then change needs to come from within the police force imo not from us outsiders. I don't know how many times I have said it but I support them carrying tasers following the necessary training and their judgement on reasonable force. We are not disagreeing on this point I'm with you all the way - but talking on this scenario I dont think it could have been handled any more professionally or better. It is also the reason felonious cannot provide me with an answer but has instead started hurling the usual soundbites: I'm assuming his position. I'm sticking up for the criminals. The impact of the police tasering the little shit would give some cathartic release, but it's the long term impact we have to and must consider. Some really interesting and measured contributions to this thread mate. You've made rational and insightful points that any reasonable poster would get behind. As you say, thank god there wasn't a bloodbath and the police appear to have handled it all superbly. Thanks for your wisdom, and for your time in the armed services. It's people like you that make those institutions truly pride worthy. This being the EE board however you're sadly wasting your time trying to talk your perfect sense into felonious and carpslayer. It's like trying to tell a couple of mongrels to stop rolling in shit. You know it's wrong. I know it's wrong. But they fucking love it They're thick, they're aggro, they're playing a game and felonious at least is sporting multiple accounts. Be aware
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 9:13:44 GMT
I dont think they are going to take the chance of killing someone when there are and were other options.They dont use them on our football hooligans (I dont think so anyway)which is just as dangerous as this incident was. Wrong they have been used on alleged football hooligans, try searching it might surprise you ! I have never seen football hooligans carrying machetes in venues in this country have you ? I have never seen football hooligans carrying machetes in venues in this country have you ? Ill take the 5th amendment on that one.I have been around a bit in my youth and know a lot of the N40 before they were naughty and 40.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 9:14:57 GMT
I dont think they are going to take the chance of killing someone when there are and were other options.They dont use them on our football hooligans (I dont think so anyway)which is just as dangerous as this incident was. So you are happy to take the chance of innocent people been killed by a machete wielding gangsta wannabe I take it strange logic smegy bread. Dont be ridiculous.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 10:05:11 GMT
Wrong they have been used on alleged football hooligans, try searching it might surprise you ! I have never seen football hooligans carrying machetes in venues in this country have you ? I have never seen football hooligans carrying machetes in venues in this country have you ? Ill take the 5th amendment on that one.I have been around a bit in my youth and know a lot of the N40 before they were naughty and 40. So have I and I can categorically state I have never seen machetes been carried inside a football stadium anywhere.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 12:25:41 GMT
I have never seen football hooligans carrying machetes in venues in this country have you ? Ill take the 5th amendment on that one.I have been around a bit in my youth and know a lot of the N40 before they were naughty and 40. So have I and I can categorically state I have never seen machetes been carried inside a football stadium anywhere. Correct not inside.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 12:57:29 GMT
So have I and I can categorically state I have never seen machetes been carried inside a football stadium anywhere. Correct not inside. That's what I said, these gangsta wannabes were inside the venue is that to hard to understand ?
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 13:40:13 GMT
That's what I said, these gangsta wannabes were inside the venue is that to hard to understand ? You really are an arse, you have absolutely no social skills whatsoever,always confrontational always the same.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 16:12:12 GMT
That's what I said, these gangsta wannabes were inside the venue is that to hard to understand ? You really are an arse, you have absolutely no social skills whatsoever,always confrontational always the same. What's up don't like been proven to be wrong again
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 29, 2019 17:48:55 GMT
That's what I said, these gangsta wannabes were inside the venue is that to hard to understand ? You really are an arse, you have absolutely no social skills whatsoever,always confrontational always the same. This is harsh. I've heard carps is incredibly outgoing and bubbly at the annual North Staffs Third Reich Memorabilia Car Boot
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