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Post by werrington on Nov 20, 2019 18:44:56 GMT
Superb piece
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 19:00:37 GMT
Just read it on Twitter and was about to post, excellent thought provoking article.....
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 20, 2019 19:04:13 GMT
It was an alright article, Wez. Too much shit towards the end though, too much purposefully mixing up being anti-EU with being anti-Europe, and of course we had the lovely 'Staff4Europe' (Again, intentionally mixing the two up) coming across with that horrible, arrogant attitude a hell of a lot of Remain voters seem to have, "Them thicko Leave voters don't know what they're voting for", yawn. Shame the article got ruined by that shit, otherwise is was a good read.
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Post by werrington on Nov 20, 2019 19:09:10 GMT
It was an alright article, Wez. Too much shit towards the end though, too much purposefully mixing up being anti-EU with being anti-Europe, and of course we had the lovely 'Staff4Europe' (Again, intentionally mixing the two up) coming across with that horrible, arrogant attitude a hell of a lot of Remain voters seem to have, "Them thicko Leave voters don't know what they're voting for", yawn. Shame the article got ruined by that shit, otherwise is was a good read. Widening the debate mate Stoke will never move forward as a city until it abolishes that 5 towns nonsense Couple that with a public who never look forward always back
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 20, 2019 19:12:12 GMT
Widening the debate mate Stoke will never move forward as a city until it abolishes that 5 towns nonsense Couple that with a public who never look forward always back Like I say mate, I had no problem with most of it, it was a good article to focus a wider audience on Stoke's problems. It's just a shame it got ruined with it's Pro-EU, 'Leave voters are thickos' shit towards the end.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2019 19:24:10 GMT
good read wezza It’s sad that successive governments have ignored places like this. Moving C4 to stoke along with HS2 and other institutions would have created jobs as well as secondary job markets. And it’s easy to do. So many big HQs in London etc not needed there when a lot of work is done on-line
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2019 19:25:36 GMT
Widening the debate mate Stoke will never move forward as a city until it abolishes that 5 towns nonsense Couple that with a public who never look forward always back Like I say mate, I had no problem with most of it, it was a good article to focus a wider audience on Stoke's problems. It's just a shame it got ruined with it's Pro-EU, 'Leave voters are thickos' shit towards the end. That’s a fair comment. I
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Nov 20, 2019 19:30:14 GMT
Not been to Burslem in a while, is there a walkers pie shop there.
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Post by zerps on Nov 20, 2019 19:38:04 GMT
Bring back manufacturing. There should be riots until it happens.
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Post by felonious on Nov 20, 2019 20:12:58 GMT
It was an alright article, Wez. Too much shit towards the end though, too much purposefully mixing up being anti-EU with being anti-Europe, and of course we had the lovely 'Staff4Europe' (Again, intentionally mixing the two up) coming across with that horrible, arrogant attitude a hell of a lot of Remain voters seem to have, "Them thicko Leave voters don't know what they're voting for", yawn. Shame the article got ruined by that shit, otherwise is was a good read. There's nothing alright about the article it's akin to the guy who did the programme on the Trent and managed to find a shopping trolley in the river.... I've been running down there for 9 years and have yet to see one. He managed to miss the kingfishers, the white egrets and the bullfinches. I've been to Sandbach today, it's looking fucking grim but you won't get any journalist telling you that.....dead on it's feet but at least it's got a Waitrose Remainer shite as per usual. How much in percentage terms did the EU/ Common Market/ EEC put into the A500? Where did the funds come from to do this? Why have successive Labour governments failed to reward the loyalty shown by the people of Stoke on Trent and Newcastle Under Lyme for that matter. As for the six towns surely with some basic fucking marketing that can be a strength. Stoke town is improving year on year. I'm sure the university is helping but it's beginning to tidy itself up, a few shops starting to open, buildings being refurbished. Can't believe the apathy it's apathy and negativity that's holding the place back.
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Post by felonious on Nov 20, 2019 20:16:49 GMT
Not been to Burslem in a while, is there a walkers pie shop there. You can get a nice pie up the Vale together with a decent cup of tea with a proper tea bag and real milk at a fraction of the price at the Bet 365 served by people who talk to you..... the people of Stoke On Trent are just wonderful
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Post by werrington on Nov 20, 2019 20:20:03 GMT
It was an alright article, Wez. Too much shit towards the end though, too much purposefully mixing up being anti-EU with being anti-Europe, and of course we had the lovely 'Staff4Europe' (Again, intentionally mixing the two up) coming across with that horrible, arrogant attitude a hell of a lot of Remain voters seem to have, "Them thicko Leave voters don't know what they're voting for", yawn. Shame the article got ruined by that shit, otherwise is was a good read. There's nothing alright about the article it's akin to the guy who did the programme on the Trent and managed to find a shopping trolley in the river.... I've been running down there for 9 years and have yet to see one. He managed to miss the kingfishers, the white egrets and the bullfinches. I've been to Sandbach today, it's looking fucking grim but you won't get any journalist telling you that.....dead on it's feet but at least it's got a Waitrose Remainer shite as per usual. How much in percentage terms did the EU/ Common Market/ EEC put into the A500? Where did the funds come from to do this? Why have successive Labour governments failed to reward the loyalty shown by the people of Stoke on Trent and Newcastle Under Lyme for that matter. As for the six towns surely with some basic fucking marketing that can be a strength. Stoke town is improving year on year. I'm sure the university is helping but it's beginning to tidy itself up, a few shops starting to open, buildings being refurbished. Can't believe the apathy it's apathy and negativity that's holding the place back. Oh I’m one person who does try and big the city up but the negativity comes from it’s public Hanley is trying to sort it’s shit out ( Piccadilly) but still it’s own people run it down ....you won’t find any other public in Britain who constantly slaughter its own city like the good folk of Stoke The 5 towns thing grates my gears and is the reason our city centre looks basic around Christmas time with its decorations as longton,Burslem Fenton etc see them saying they want a slice of the money cake Invest it all in the city centre
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Post by Boothen on Nov 20, 2019 20:49:09 GMT
It doesn't help matters when a large proportion of any investment in this city gets skimmed off the top by certain politicians/Councillors and their friends in the companies paid to carry out said investment projects.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 20:55:37 GMT
An interesting article. I think that many Stoke people could have written it. A couple of point s "It’s not all grim. The new Staffordshire University, created from a polytechnic with EU regional development money, has gained a high reputation for information technology and film studies. A “ceramic valley” enterprise park (more EU money) is discovering, inter alia, new uses of specialised pottery in hi-tech industries.".... where does he think that the " EU" money came from?.... and the decline happened whilst we are in the EU. “There is an association in many people’s minds between the EU and UK membership since 1973, because of everything that has changed in Stoke since then — the decline of the pits and pots,” he said."....... I don't think that there is, I think that most see the decline of the traditional industries as part of a general UK decline in industry towards services with globalisation “European immigration is also a big, big issue. There is a resentment at new foreign faces and voices in a traditionally parochial place that’s long had a bit of migration but never very much.” Stoke is 95% white and English born..... there's not a lot wrong with being parochial nor white, that's an imposed agenda...we are actually very accommodating but perhaps we don't like to see our culture "threatened" as it 'seems' to be... perhaps in light of the stories from places like Rotherham perhaps Stokies are defensive and have WRONGLY blamed this onnthe EU but perhaps they actually believe that " we" should run our own affairs and look after our"own" people first and conflate the two issues ir they equally don't want interference from the EU..... they are entitled to that view. "A vote against Europe was, whether consciously or not, a vote against a modern world which passed them by. Part of that modern world was membership of the EU."..... BREXIT wasn't a vote against Europe. A bit condescending that... perhaps a lot of potters are actually patriotic and perhaps the author is a Remainer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 21:24:32 GMT
When he called the sentinel an excellent local newspaper he lost all credibility. S-O-T is no worse than many other places around the country, it's just been badly managed and underfunded
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Post by lordb on Nov 20, 2019 22:20:01 GMT
Bring back manufacturing. There should be riots until it happens. It won't happen until the wages paid here (& all the other costs) are lower than in Indonesia. Might not be that long then... Potteries hasn't rioted properly since the Chartist riots in the 19th century. If we did now it would just be dismissed as wanton mindless violence.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2019 22:25:11 GMT
An interesting article. I think that many Stoke people could have written it. A couple of point s "It’s not all grim. The new Staffordshire University, created from a polytechnic with EU regional development money, has gained a high reputation for information technology and film studies. A “ceramic valley” enterprise park (more EU money) is discovering, inter alia, new uses of specialised pottery in hi-tech industries.".... where does he think that the " EU" money came from?.... and the decline happened whilst we are in the EU. “There is an association in many people’s minds between the EU and UK membership since 1973, because of everything that has changed in Stoke since then — the decline of the pits and pots,” he said."....... I don't think that there is, I think that most see the decline of the traditional industries as part of a general UK decline in industry towards services with globalisation “European immigration is also a big, big issue. There is a resentment at new foreign faces and voices in a traditionally parochial place that’s long had a bit of migration but never very much.” Stoke is 95% white and English born..... there's not a lot wrong with being parochial nor white, that's an imposed agenda...we are actually very accommodating but perhaps we don't like to see our culture "threatened" as it 'seems' to be... perhaps in light of the stories from places like Rotherham perhaps Stokies are defensive and have WRONGLY blamed this onnthe EU but perhaps they actually believe that " we" should run our own affairs and look after our"own" people first and conflate the two issues ir they equally don't want interference from the EU..... they are entitled to that view. "A vote against Europe was, whether consciously or not, a vote against a modern world which passed them by. Part of that modern world was membership of the EU."..... BREXIT wasn't a vote against Europe. A bit condescending that... perhaps a lot of potters are actually patriotic and perhaps the author is a Remainer. There is a right way of being parochial and a wrong way. As a German Immigrant, Stoke-on-Trent, far from being a back water is actually a right way of being parochial. It is an industrial city famed for its potteries and is not part of any greater region (Are we north or Midlands? Who are our real rivals? Unique accent for a small area) and are rightly proud of who they are! Even places lake Derby are intertwined with Nottingham and Leicester... Middlesbrough are the poorer cousins of Sunderland and Newcastle... but Stoke is purely Stoke!! Yes the problems are many, yes the bloody 6 towns are like squabbling idiots, yes it has been severely mismanaged by government local and otherwise... But with the “Ey Oop ma duck” greeting with a beaming smile (along with a chayze and bacon oatcake.... I didn’t just fall in love with the club but also the city and its people... despite its ups and downs... So be proud of it... disregard the idiots who feign platitudes or thinly veiled dig... revel in the uniqueness that parochial Stoke has...after all this German boy fell in love with the beauty within the city... and the future it brings!! Come on Stoke!!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 20, 2019 22:45:13 GMT
If we want a good city centre we need to connect it to the suburbs.
Poor public transport, poor road infrastructure and over priced crap parking need to be addressed.
Lets face it though out of town retail parks kill town centres.
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 20, 2019 22:47:26 GMT
When he called the sentinel an excellent local newspaper he lost all credibility. S-O-T is no worse than many other places around the country, it's just been badly managed and underfunded Dito and to quote Phil Corrigan is laughable he is proper shite.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 20, 2019 23:22:38 GMT
If we want a good city centre we need to connect it to the suburbs. Poor public transport, poor road infrastructure and over priced crap parking need to be addressed. Lets face it though out of town retail parks kill town centres. Exactly, Festival Park appears to have most of what people need with free parking, totally souless for me but it seems to get very busy. Between battling places like that and internet shopping town centres are very much up against it
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Post by yes on Nov 21, 2019 5:41:43 GMT
There are plenty of positives about our city that we need to celebrate too.
It's a well written piece, but feel it only compounds the negative view that many have of our city.
The town centres are definitely lacking, and need investment, that is the same in similar towns and cities all up the country.
Sometimes we don't half make it worse for ourselves by painting such a negative picture. Look at Hull for the last few years, another city that outsiders often ridicule, and over the last few years have made a massive effort to change this and make improvements.
Trust me when I say this, Stoke on Trent is paradise compared to Crewe!
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Post by felonious on Nov 21, 2019 5:58:12 GMT
An interesting article. I think that many Stoke people could have written it. A couple of point s "It’s not all grim. The new Staffordshire University, created from a polytechnic with EU regional development money, has gained a high reputation for information technology and film studies. A “ceramic valley” enterprise park (more EU money) is discovering, inter alia, new uses of specialised pottery in hi-tech industries.".... where does he think that the " EU" money came from?.... and the decline happened whilst we are in the EU. “There is an association in many people’s minds between the EU and UK membership since 1973, because of everything that has changed in Stoke since then — the decline of the pits and pots,” he said."....... I don't think that there is, I think that most see the decline of the traditional industries as part of a general UK decline in industry towards services with globalisation “European immigration is also a big, big issue. There is a resentment at new foreign faces and voices in a traditionally parochial place that’s long had a bit of migration but never very much.” Stoke is 95% white and English born..... there's not a lot wrong with being parochial nor white, that's an imposed agenda...we are actually very accommodating but perhaps we don't like to see our culture "threatened" as it 'seems' to be... perhaps in light of the stories from places like Rotherham perhaps Stokies are defensive and have WRONGLY blamed this onnthe EU but perhaps they actually believe that " we" should run our own affairs and look after our"own" people first and conflate the two issues ir they equally don't want interference from the EU..... they are entitled to that view. "A vote against Europe was, whether consciously or not, a vote against a modern world which passed them by. Part of that modern world was membership of the EU."..... BREXIT wasn't a vote against Europe. A bit condescending that... perhaps a lot of potters are actually patriotic and perhaps the author is a Remainer. It's interesting BJR this blurring of the lines between Europe and the EU I've had to constantly explain the difference between the two to my two kids as they slip into their indoctrinated speak. I know longer hold back with friends either so I now get the proper use of the two. Like a lot of people on here I love Europe and nothing will stop any of us in the UK being European. The article is basically more propaganda he's either a bit thick or he's being disingenuous. Like you say the slide has happened as the Common Market has lunged towards full political union. Stoke On Trent has been left behind while London and the South has flourished but that's nothing to do with the EU it's more to do with internal UK political will.
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Post by felonious on Nov 21, 2019 6:01:14 GMT
If we want a good city centre we need to connect it to the suburbs. Poor public transport, poor road infrastructure and over priced crap parking need to be addressed. Lets face it though out of town retail parks kill town centres. Exactly, Festival Park appears to have most of what people need with free parking, totally souless for me but it seems to get very busy. Between battling places like that and internet shopping town centres are very much up against it It's not just Stoke though Ely. The shopping centre in Crewe is that bad it can take half an hour to get out if you choose the wrong side to park in. The town centre is a proper definition of a ghost town.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 7:14:56 GMT
If we want a good city centre we need to connect it to the suburbs. Poor public transport, poor road infrastructure and over priced crap parking need to be addressed. Lets face it though out of town retail parks kill town centres. Exactly, Festival Park appears to have most of what people need with free parking, totally souless for me but it seems to get very busy. Between battling places like that and internet shopping town centres are very much up against it That's the crux of the matter that town planners and government still can't get their heads around. When people go shopping they want to go by car and they want to park as close as possible to the shops,hence out of town shopping centres do so well. Also town centre parking ....which by it's very nature is going to be a walk away from the shops....is usually not free while out of town is.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 21, 2019 10:54:03 GMT
Its interesting that any perspective of the status or reputation of an area often depends upon either what you are told, or what your personal experience of the place might be.
Stoke, we can acknowledge is a relic of an industrial past whose heyday has long gone, but I am sure that there are many areas of the country that are more desolate or depressed, and Stoke certainly has its good points, especially the friendliness of the local population.
It can be said that Stoke is a City living off its past, but I have no choice but to acknowledge that heritage. I am amongst other things a consultant antiques valuer, and my specialisation is in British ceramics, especially Staffordshire Pottery. Without the Potteries I probably wouldn't have a career, as I believe that an understanding and appreciation of Stoke production is genetically bred into me. I proudly acknowledge that past virtually every day, and the fact that I can link my personal background and origins to the City still inspires respect amongst the people that I work with. Being a native of North Staffordshire seems to carry a strong credibility in respect of Ceramics trading and Collecting and the badge of Stoke heritage has a certain cachet.
I have no difficulty in expressing my background as an asset and a qualification and I am happy to tell people that I am from Stoke.
Incidentally in my study at home, I have a large poster picture of the Mersey Weaver Wharf on the Burslem Branch Canal in the 19th century, and in the background are far too many Bottle Kilns to count. Everyday it reminds me that my present owes an awful lot to Stoke's past.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 11:19:24 GMT
Two things: Why does he state that the Sentinel is much better now than it was(SourGrapes!?!) &WTF are Walker’s pies in Burslem!?!
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Post by redstriper on Nov 21, 2019 12:12:54 GMT
Good that he mentions bet365 as the biggest employer, add to that the Coates family being the biggest tax payers in the region, if not the country.
Labour have virtually declared war on billionaires, but if they walk offshore the loss of their tax revenue to the economy would take many thousands of new ordinary tax payers to cover. Add to that the catastrophic effects of the loss of the local jobs.
Peter Coates is a labour donator of many years, but on radio 4 the other day he didn't seem very enthusiastic about them at the moment, and no wonder given their rhetoric. He pointed out that 48% of adults pay no direct taxes and in fact the top 1% in this country pay a very high percentage of the total revenue when compared to elsewhere in Europe.
Who is going to put extra money to better use, Corbyn ?, or a proven local benefactor who invests in his home town.
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Post by santy on Nov 21, 2019 12:16:08 GMT
There's a few fair points about the fact that in some ways it is a bit of a contradiction that some of the few things we have got in recent times have come from EU funding rather than our own government.
Historically, if the city had lilted back and forth between Labour and the Tories the city would probably be better off for it.
Ultimately though its only ever going to be a worsening situation that more and more gets congregated in a few centralised locations. I think the most disappointing thing with Stoke though is that given its position it could have had a really strong hand to bring in businesses and grow strong as a central location between Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Derby etc. There would have to be billions spent now to turn the tide properly whereas 50 years ago a few smarter decisions could've paved the way organically for it to happen.
Even now though, just at the local levels we all live in things could be made so much more convenient. Living on Bentilee, if there there was a road between Eaton Park and the industrial estate in Fenton along with that road from Eaton Park to Leek Road actually being usable would ease a lot of issues. Put a road between Beverley drive or one of its off-shoots and Werrington road and suddenly you've got a route between Fenton and Werrington without pushing you through Hanley or Longton.
Another which I think is already supposed to be in the works would be another road between Festival Park/Cobridge coming across to Wolstanton. The amount of unnecessary traffic that gets forced through Basford bank. There should arguably be another road between Longport and Festival Park as well, there's a couple of roads that get close to it anyway. Odds are with 20-30 roads in places around Stoke you could alleviate most of the issues when it comes to getting around.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 12:30:50 GMT
Living on Bentilee, if there there was a road between Eaton Park and the industrial estate in Fenton along with that road from Eaton Park to Leek Road actually being usable would ease a lot of issues. Put a road between Beverley drive or one of its off-shoots and Werrington road and suddenly you've got a route between Fenton and Werrington without pushing you through Hanley or Longton. £@#& 0££ up ye’own end, We dunna want yeXx
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 21, 2019 15:34:13 GMT
Bring back manufacturing. There should be riots until it happens. What would you like to make Zerps?
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