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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 17, 2022 8:27:25 GMT
Still a fair amount of victim shaming going on from the royalists. Not entirely unexpected but unedifying all the same. They will make it Meghan Markel’s fault somehow…….
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2022 9:48:36 GMT
Still a fair amount of victim shaming going on from the royalists. Not entirely unexpected but unedifying all the same. They will make it Meghan Markel’s fault somehow……. Why would they make it A third rate American actresses fault
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 17, 2022 10:09:11 GMT
They will make it Meghan Markel’s fault somehow……. Why would they make it A third rate American actresses fault She’s more of an embarrassment to the Royal Family than Prince Andrew to a lot of daft fuckers that read the likes of the Daily Mail……..
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 17, 2022 20:24:27 GMT
They will make it Meghan Markel’s fault somehow……. Why would they make it A third rate American actresses fault Are you suggesting the right wing media hate her for her acting waggy?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2022 20:45:10 GMT
Why would they make it A third rate American actresses fault Are you suggesting the right wing media hate her for her acting waggy? I wouldn’t suggest the alleged right wing media consider her important enough to even contemplate the emotion of hate
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Post by salopstick on Feb 17, 2022 21:08:19 GMT
Still a fair amount of victim shaming going on from the royalists. Not entirely unexpected but unedifying all the same. There is no victim. It was a no guilt admission out of court settlement. Some girl made allegations wanted her day in court. The guy denied it but knew potentially he could still lose a civil case so to save the hassle paid her off We don’t know who initiated the settlement but we know the girl was “stand and deliver” that she wanted her day in court, wanted justice and it wasn’t about money. In the end it was all about money However Andrew is still a cunt and dodgy as fuck but in this case he’s done nothing wrong. Well he might have but now we will never know.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 17, 2022 22:59:41 GMT
Still a fair amount of victim shaming going on from the royalists. Not entirely unexpected but unedifying all the same. There is no victim. It was a no guilt admission out of court settlement. Some girl made allegations wanted her day in court. The guy denied it but knew potentially he could still lose a civil case so to save the hassle paid her off We don’t know who initiated the settlement but we know the girl was “stand and deliver” that she wanted her day in court, wanted justice and it wasn’t about money. In the end it was all about money However Andrew is still a cunt and dodgy as fuck but in this case he’s done nothing wrong. Well he might have but now we will never know. How absurd of course there was a victim in his statement to the court he acknowledged that she was an "Established Victim" You gloss over his settlement as trivial to avoid an annoyance and inconvenience I'm sorry but £12M for someone you claim to never have met is far from trivial If he were eating Pizza at the time his bodyguards would have been close at hand If this evidence was presented pre trial it would never have advanced
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Post by salopstick on Feb 17, 2022 23:11:51 GMT
There is no victim. It was a no guilt admission out of court settlement. Some girl made allegations wanted her day in court. The guy denied it but knew potentially he could still lose a civil case so to save the hassle paid her off We don’t know who initiated the settlement but we know the girl was “stand and deliver” that she wanted her day in court, wanted justice and it wasn’t about money. In the end it was all about money However Andrew is still a cunt and dodgy as fuck but in this case he’s done nothing wrong. Well he might have but now we will never know. How absurd of course there was a victim in his statement to the court he acknowledged that she was an "Established Victim" You gloss over his settlement as trivial to avoid an annoyance and inconvenience I'm sorry but £12M for someone you claim to never have met is far from trivial If he were eating Pizza at the time his bodyguards would have been close at hand If this evidence was presented pre trial it would never have advanced So why did the girl take the money when she’s supposedly got him bang to rights and said it wasn’t about money
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Post by wannabee on Feb 17, 2022 23:17:37 GMT
How absurd of course there was a victim in his statement to the court he acknowledged that she was an "Established Victim" You gloss over his settlement as trivial to avoid an annoyance and inconvenience I'm sorry but £12M for someone you claim to never have met is far from trivial If he were eating Pizza at the time his bodyguards would have been close at hand If this evidence was presented pre trial it would never have advanced So why did the girl take the money when she’s supposedly got him bang to rights and said it wasn’t about money All Civil cases are about money there is no other redress if you win your case In most peoples eyes he has lost by paying the £12M Obviously not in yours
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 17, 2022 23:21:16 GMT
So why did the girl take the money when she’s supposedly got him bang to rights and said it wasn’t about money All Civil cases are about money there is no other redress if you win your case In most peoples eyes he has lost by paying the £12M Obviously not in yours Would the judge have awarded her £12M as compensation if she won her civil case though?
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Post by wannabee on Feb 17, 2022 23:33:57 GMT
All Civil cases are about money there is no other redress if you win your case In most peoples eyes he has lost by paying the £12M Obviously not in yours Would the judge have awarded her £12M as compensation if she won her civil case though? As far as I'm aware the Jury decides the amount of compensation, in the event that he was found quilts In such an event who knows what they may have awarded
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 18, 2022 3:17:42 GMT
There is no victim. It was a no guilt admission out of court settlement. Some girl made allegations wanted her day in court. The guy denied it but knew potentially he could still lose a civil case so to save the hassle paid her off We don’t know who initiated the settlement but we know the girl was “stand and deliver” that she wanted her day in court, wanted justice and it wasn’t about money. In the end it was all about money However Andrew is still a cunt and dodgy as fuck but in this case he’s done nothing wrong. Well he might have but now we will never know. How absurd of course there was a victim in his statement to the court he acknowledged that she was an "Established Victim" You gloss over his settlement as trivial to avoid an annoyance and inconvenience I'm sorry but £12M for someone you claim to never have met is far from trivial If he were eating Pizza at the time his bodyguards would have been close at hand If this evidence was presented pre trial it would never have advanced The pizza express alibi was utterly ridiculous. It actually demonstrates how detached they are from real life. He could've took his daughter to a pizza express and gone out later in the night. He can afford a babysitter.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 18, 2022 23:44:35 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 19, 2022 0:08:58 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 19, 2022 11:44:15 GMT
There is no victim. It was a no guilt admission out of court settlement. Some girl made allegations wanted her day in court. The guy denied it but knew potentially he could still lose a civil case so to save the hassle paid her off We don’t know who initiated the settlement but we know the girl was “stand and deliver” that she wanted her day in court, wanted justice and it wasn’t about money. In the end it was all about money However Andrew is still a cunt and dodgy as fuck but in this case he’s done nothing wrong. Well he might have but now we will never know. How absurd of course there was a victim in his statement to the court he acknowledged that she was an "Established Victim" You gloss over his settlement as trivial to avoid an annoyance and inconvenience I'm sorry but £12M for someone you claim to never have met is far from trivial If he were eating Pizza at the time his bodyguards would have been close at hand If this evidence was presented pre trial it would never have advanced It is quite alarming that some folk just don't seem able to accept that this woman has been trafficked and abused from a young age and is therefore a victim of such abuses. It's amazing how the need for faith and security in the Establishment will take some people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 19:15:43 GMT
How absurd of course there was a victim in his statement to the court he acknowledged that she was an "Established Victim" You gloss over his settlement as trivial to avoid an annoyance and inconvenience I'm sorry but £12M for someone you claim to never have met is far from trivial If he were eating Pizza at the time his bodyguards would have been close at hand If this evidence was presented pre trial it would never have advanced It is quite alarming that some folk just don't seem able to accept that this woman has been trafficked and abused from a young age and is therefore a victim of such abuses. It's amazing how the need for faith and security in the Establishment will take some people. Was she trafficked? Certainly not under the description of the word for me. Exploited at at a youngish age yes but not trafficked.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 19, 2022 19:53:55 GMT
It is quite alarming that some folk just don't seem able to accept that this woman has been trafficked and abused from a young age and is therefore a victim of such abuses. It's amazing how the need for faith and security in the Establishment will take some people. Was she trafficked? Certainly not under the description of the word for me. Exploited at at a youngish age yes but not trafficked. "Trafficking in persons shall mean the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control of another person, for the purpose of exploitation. Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or removal of organs www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/modern-slavery-human-trafficking-and-smuggling
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 19, 2022 21:48:52 GMT
It is quite alarming that some folk just don't seem able to accept that this woman has been trafficked and abused from a young age and is therefore a victim of such abuses. It's amazing how the need for faith and security in the Establishment will take some people. Was she trafficked? Certainly not under the description of the word for me. Exploited at at a youngish age yes but not trafficked. Damn! You're a week too late to advise Prince Andrew's legal team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 5:51:02 GMT
Was she trafficked? Certainly not under the description of the word for me. Exploited at at a youngish age yes but not trafficked. Damn! You're a week too late to advise Prince Andrew's legal team. No one attempting to advise anyone. Was a simple question that obviously confused you. Good attempt though, didn't work but good attempt
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 6:08:54 GMT
Jon Wedger always great to listen to. 2 hours but fascinating stuff re the shenanigans in politics/Entertainment etc . Is only a few mins on the McCanns so don't let title confuse. Savile, Prince Andrew etc.....the actress he refers to is apparently Joanna Lumley. Some grim stories but worth the time. A kid's home in Stoke gets a mention.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 21, 2022 8:05:05 GMT
Looks like we'll be paying. What is about rich nonces and getting the tax payers to fund them. Whether it's West Ham getting us to pay for their football ground or The Duke of Nonce getting us to pay for his escapades 20 odd years ago, we seemingly just love funding these pricks.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 21, 2022 8:11:32 GMT
Looks like we'll be paying. What is about rich nonces and getting the tax payers to fund them. Whether it's West Ham getting us to pay for their football ground or The Duke of Nonce getting us to pay for his escapades 20 odd years ago, we seemingly just love funding these pricks. People wouldn’t visit London if the Royal Family weren’t there they deserve every penny of the tax payers hush money. Look at the Palace of Versailles FFS, it’s a halfway house for illegal immigrants these days……
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Post by metalhead on Feb 21, 2022 14:30:51 GMT
Looks like we'll be paying. What is about rich nonces and getting the tax payers to fund them. Whether it's West Ham getting us to pay for their football ground or The Duke of Nonce getting us to pay for his escapades 20 odd years ago, we seemingly just love funding these pricks. People wouldn’t visit London if the Royal Family weren’t there they deserve every penny of the tax payer hush money. Look at the Palace of Versailles FFS, it’s a halfway house for illegal immigrants these days…… You're being sarcastic
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Post by wannabee on Apr 9, 2022 2:07:51 GMT
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but Are there no depths that this odious prick and his sycophantic family won't sink to in order to fund their corrupted and shameful lifestyle. I suppose every Mother has maternal instincts towards their spawn ,but by God the recent display at Westminster Abbey was vomit inducing It brings shame on the whole Nation if we stay silent about this Pedophile Much hand wringing occurred after Savillle's death (who had close Royal links) that he was not punished before he died , yet this arsehole is being attempted to be rehabilitated into normal society before our very eyes www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10687023/amp/Moment-Turkish-fraudster-gave-Prince-Andrew-750-000-cut-tr
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 12, 2022 7:18:01 GMT
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but Are there no depths that this odious prick and his sycophantic family won't sink to in order to fund their corrupted and shameful lifestyle. I suppose every Mother has maternal instincts towards their spawn ,but by God the recent display at Westminster Abbey was vomit inducing It brings shame on the whole Nation if we stay silent about this Pedophile Much hand wringing occurred after Savillle's death (who had close Royal links) that he was not punished before he died , yet this arsehole is being attempted to be rehabilitated into normal society before our very eyes www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10687023/amp/Moment-Turkish-fraudster-gave-Prince-Andrew-750-000-cut-trYou'd be surprised by how many people would, openly or quietly, be quite pleased/relieved to see Andrew rehabilitated. And for 'normal service' with regards to the royals to be resumed. We live in a rigid, class-obsessed society, almost semi-feudal. A lot of people like to know their place and are quite comforted by it, with anything which threatens that comfy status quo being disquieting. The Establishment works hard to perpetuate that feeling in ordinary folk. So while they can see Andrew is a wrong 'un, who's been friends with convicted paedos and sex traffickers for a long time, I suspect that a majority of people would much rather forget all about 'that little bit of unpleasantness' and get back to 'lord love 'em, ain't the royals great' type stuff. I think it'll take some time yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him slowly return to the fold over the next few years, with a number of good news puff pieces strategically placed in the right-wing press on a regular basis. Cynical, but a lot of people fall for it, because that's what they basically crave.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2022 7:57:00 GMT
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but Are there no depths that this odious prick and his sycophantic family won't sink to in order to fund their corrupted and shameful lifestyle. I suppose every Mother has maternal instincts towards their spawn ,but by God the recent display at Westminster Abbey was vomit inducing It brings shame on the whole Nation if we stay silent about this Pedophile Much hand wringing occurred after Savillle's death (who had close Royal links) that he was not punished before he died , yet this arsehole is being attempted to be rehabilitated into normal society before our very eyes www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10687023/amp/Moment-Turkish-fraudster-gave-Prince-Andrew-750-000-cut-trYou'd be surprised by how many people would, openly or quietly, be quite pleased/relieved to see Andrew rehabilitated. And for 'normal service' with regards to the royals to be resumed. We live in a rigid, class-obsessed society, almost semi-feudal. A lot of people like to know their place and are quite comforted by it, with anything which threatens that comfy status quo being disquieting. The Establishment works hard to perpetuate that feeling in ordinary folk. So while they can see Andrew is a wrong 'un, who's been friends with convicted paedos and sex traffickers for a long time, I suspect that a majority of people would much rather forget all about 'that little bit of unpleasantness' and get back to 'lord love 'em, ain't the royals great' type stuff. I think it'll take some time yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him slowly return to the fold over the next few years, with a number of good news puff pieces strategically placed in the right-wing press on a regular basis. Cynical, but a lot of people fall for it, because that's what they basically crave. Agree that a lot would, but 'majority'? No
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 12, 2022 14:06:18 GMT
You'd be surprised by how many people would, openly or quietly, be quite pleased/relieved to see Andrew rehabilitated. And for 'normal service' with regards to the royals to be resumed. We live in a rigid, class-obsessed society, almost semi-feudal. A lot of people like to know their place and are quite comforted by it, with anything which threatens that comfy status quo being disquieting. The Establishment works hard to perpetuate that feeling in ordinary folk. So while they can see Andrew is a wrong 'un, who's been friends with convicted paedos and sex traffickers for a long time, I suspect that a majority of people would much rather forget all about 'that little bit of unpleasantness' and get back to 'lord love 'em, ain't the royals great' type stuff. I think it'll take some time yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him slowly return to the fold over the next few years, with a number of good news puff pieces strategically placed in the right-wing press on a regular basis. Cynical, but a lot of people fall for it, because that's what they basically crave. Agree that a lot would, but 'majority'? No Maybe. I think so many people are indoctrinated into thinking the royals are great (I mean we had headline news yesterday across multiple newspapers and tv and radio that Covid left a 95 year old woman "tired and exhausted". Who'd have thought it!) that anything that comes along to shake that faith makes them feel uncomfortable. That discomfort manifests more in not liking the information itself rather than the object of it. A kind of "do shoot the messenger" approach. Who is Virginia Giuffre to make these allegations against our royals? How dare she, I don't believe it, a royal prince wouldn't do that, it's made up etc. So, even when a payoff makes it look like the easy way out to avoid scrutiny, you know that numerous people just want the comfort of the unquestionable royals back. You may well be right and it's not enough to allow him back into the fold. However, I'd not be surprised by some anti-Giuffre stories emerging in the next few years alongside some positive Andrew ones, as part of that process to reassure those made to feel uneasy by the current situation and to restore that faith in the establishment. I think the Queen basically started that process at the commemoration of her husband.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2022 18:51:17 GMT
Agree that a lot would, but 'majority'? No Maybe. I think so many people are indoctrinated into thinking the royals are great (I mean we had headline news yesterday across multiple newspapers and tv and radio that Covid left a 95 year old woman "tired and exhausted". Who'd have thought it!) that anything that comes along to shake that faith makes them feel uncomfortable. That discomfort manifests more in not liking the information itself rather than the object of it. A kind of "do shoot the messenger" approach. Who is Virginia Giuffre to make these allegations against our royals? How dare she, I don't believe it, a royal prince wouldn't do that, it's made up etc. So, even when a payoff makes it look like the easy way out to avoid scrutiny, you know that numerous people just want the comfort of the unquestionable royals back. You may well be right and it's not enough to allow him back into the fold. However, I'd not be surprised by some anti-Giuffre stories emerging in the next few years alongside some positive Andrew ones, as part of that process to reassure those made to feel uneasy by the current situation and to restore that faith in the establishment. I think the Queen basically started that process at the commemoration of her husband. Yes Undoubtedly I think even the majority of ardent royalists find Andrew beyond the pale, not just the sex scandal stuff either Do the Royals and their advisors understand this? If I was them would push him as faw away from publicity as possible for rest of his life. Looks like they will not do that Arrogance or stupidity?
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