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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2019 12:29:27 GMT
In fairness, it seems to be neither! It lacks the social investment required to be socialist and the internal markets to be capitalist [1] [1] Market Socialism or Capitalism? Evidence from Chinese Financial Market Development, by Julan Du and Chenggang Xu. 2005. IEA 2005 Round Table on Market and Socialism. State run Capitalism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 12:31:14 GMT
In fairness, it seems to be neither! It lacks the social investment required to be socialist and the internal markets to be capitalist [1] [1] Market Socialism or Capitalism? Evidence from Chinese Financial Market Development, by Julan Du and Chenggang Xu. 2005. IEA 2005 Round Table on Market and Socialism. State run Capitalism. Well yeah, the state are effectively a 'company' in themselves. They don't distribute that effectively among the population so they aren't socialist.
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 15, 2019 12:37:24 GMT
Most jobs in London have higher pay. And why are you saying that working hard has nothing to do with how skilled your job is. They want £15 ph because that would be enough for them to afford rent, bills, food and an acceptable work/life balance. Why is that wrong? I know that's what I said London weighting is the norm. I didn't say that working hard has nothing to do with how skilled your job is , if they can't afford to live in London because they work for McDonalds maybe just maybe they should consider moving, when I bought my first house I was still an apprentice engineer my partner was a hairdresser we couldn't afford the mortgage on both wages so I took a second job nights and weekends to make ends meet, what is stopping anyone else doing that mind it was really hard work maybe that is why they don't. If you want something badly enough you get off your arse and find a way to make it happen hardly rocket science even for a dyed in the wool socialist.
20 years ago I did this very thing…..got off my lardy arse and decided to see whats about…….moved to NL, registered myself with a BSN number the day after arriving, (N.I. number) found work 8 days after arriving and never looked back. First job was washing dishes in a hotel !!!! I make no bones about saying that I believe firmly in looking after number one and what you wrote above there fella is what Norman Tebbitt said many moons ago…… My own thoughts from 20 years ago and looking around at what I had at the time and what was on offer, were: "England is a fuckin shithole and its dieing on its arse…...fuck this !" It still is...….. I expected no handouts and never received any when I got here If you want something badly enough, dont stand there holding out your hand or shaking your fuckin begging bowl...…. be positive, look at what you can offer and go for it.
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Post by foster on Nov 15, 2019 12:50:27 GMT
I know that's what I said London weighting is the norm. I didn't say that working hard has nothing to do with how skilled your job is , if they can't afford to live in London because they work for McDonalds maybe just maybe they should consider moving, when I bought my first house I was still an apprentice engineer my partner was a hairdresser we couldn't afford the mortgage on both wages so I took a second job nights and weekends to make ends meet, what is stopping anyone else doing that mind it was really hard work maybe that is why they don't. If you want something badly enough you get off your arse and find a way to make it happen hardly rocket science even for a dyed in the wool socialist.
20 years ago I did this very thing…..got off my lardy arse and decided to see whats about…….moved to NL, registered myself with a BSN number the day after arriving, (N.I. number) found work 8 days after arriving and never looked back. First job was washing dishes in a hotel !!!! I make no bones about saying that I believe firmly in looking after number one and what you wrote above there fella is what Norman Tebbitt said many moons ago…… My own thoughts from 20 years ago and looking around at what I had at the time and what was on offer, were: "England is a fuckin shithole and its dieing on its arse…...fuck this !" It still is...….. I expected no handouts and never received any when I got here If you want something badly enough, dont stand there holding out your hand or shaking your fuckin begging bowl...…. be positive, look at what you can offer and go for it. Yeah, finished school (2003), then drove a minivan delivering machinery parts around the north west for 6 months. I think my net salary at that time was 800 quid a month (full time). After 6 months I upped and left for Belgium where I signed on at a recruitment agency. Within 3 days I was working on an English speaking help desk on a shitty salary. I still got by and as time went on I made my way up the ladder, switched roles and companies. Yes the salaries were shitty for the first couple of years but that's the case for most people who aren't exceptionally talented or born with a silver spoon in their mouth. You can't just expect to be on a good salary from the day you start working. It's something you have to work towards over the course of your career. Ps - I also spent my youth washing pans, selling cinema tickets, working in stationary box, blockbuster video, in a pub kitchen, etc. None of which were well paid.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 15, 2019 13:07:03 GMT
In fairness, it seems to be neither! It lacks the social investment required to be socialist and the internal markets to be capitalist [1] [1] Market Socialism or Capitalism? Evidence from Chinese Financial Market Development, by Julan Du and Chenggang Xu. 2005. IEA 2005 Round Table on Market and Socialism. State run Capitalism. The peoples republic of China it sort of gives you a clue
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 15, 2019 13:10:19 GMT
Well yeah, the state are effectively a 'company' in themselves. They don't rdistribute that effectively among the population so they aren't socialist. Oh dear
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 15, 2019 19:52:54 GMT
The generation where winners and losers weren't part of school sports days. It's fostered a sense of entitlement that they can have what they want without any effort. Pricks. I'm waiting for the day one of them brings their mum and to a performance review like a school report night. 'What you want' is nothing to do with being able to live. Wanting housing, food, bills paid by a full time job should be a right. That's not entitlement, it's wanting capitalism to practice what it preaches, 'you work hard, you get something back'. You're confusing want and need. I got my first degree and the jobs I got off the back of it paid for what I needed but not what I wanted. So I started to study again in a completely different field, whilst working and gaining experience, still paying for what I needed. Once I gained the post graduate qualification I started to earn more so could pay for what I needed and more of what I wanted. Now I've got adequate skill and experience I can afford everything I need pretty much most things I want. All whilst paying taxes, paying student loans back, paying a mortgage off etc. It'll be interesting to see where it's expected to stop.
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 15, 2019 21:23:19 GMT
Most jobs in London have higher pay. And why are you saying that working hard has nothing to do with how skilled your job is. They want £15 ph because that would be enough for them to afford rent, bills, food and an acceptable work/life balance. Why is that wrong? I know that's what I said London weighting is the norm. I didn't say that working hard has nothing to do with how skilled your job is , if they can't afford to live in London because they work for McDonalds maybe just maybe they should consider moving, when I bought my first house I was still an apprentice engineer my partner was a hairdresser we couldn't afford the mortgage on both wages so I took a second job nights and weekends to make ends meet, what is stopping anyone else doing that mind it was really hard work maybe that is why they don't. If you want something badly enough you get off your arse and find a way to make it happen hardly rocket science even for a dyed in the wool socialist.
With the greatest respect carps, I don't think you strike anybody on this board as someone who's ever done anything particularly taxing. God help us all if you have. So it's probably easier for you to hold down multiple jobs than most
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 15, 2019 21:27:30 GMT
Denmark offers a £15 wage equivalent for its workers at McDonald's. They don't publish specifics for the UK, but profits were over 300 million last year. Their CEO in 2016 was paid $15 million in 2016. They can afford a 500k hike in wages. Do you really think it would only cost an extra 500k per year are you Dianne Abbots love child !!!!!!! Ah yes, the Cambridge educated Dianne [sic] Abbot [sic]. Cuz ur dead cleva init lol
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