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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 6:34:20 GMT
I'm sure Delap had a lot to do with the selection, even if O'Neill had the final word. Definitely. I assume that’s why Diouf turned out for the U23s last Friday as soon as Jones left. Having not moved Diouf on, it was ridiculous to freeze him out. It was ridiculous to freeze him out period. You can do that to players that express no desire to play for Stoke like Imbula and Wimmer, but you don't do it to someone who has always done his best for the club, even if he wasn't at his best all the time. It was just another way that Jones showed his lack of personal format.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 6:35:26 GMT
To be fair, Jones used Woods until his form dipped and he chucked in a few bad performances. After that he was in and out of the team until he disappeared.
This was O'Neill's first game. If Woods does the same under him he will be out of the side and if we can find a buyer, out of the club.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 10, 2019 7:05:05 GMT
4-2 win and can't find positives to speak about. That really isn't the point. I was responding to a post that specifically related to Woods and Diouf not one on today's result. I'm delighted with today's result but it doesn't change the fact that Woods turned in a lacklustre performance and Diouf has been poor for a very long time He didn't though,the manager singled him out as being excellent especially as he hadn't played for weeks and they expected him not to stand up to the physicality of the game. The first goal was down to Bath and Edwards in particular not marking correctly.Woods thought the player was going to shoot and then realised he was passing,thus he twisted to try to intercept the pass that was going behind him.His performance certainly wasn't lacklustre all things considered.
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Post by hyaduck on Nov 10, 2019 7:51:56 GMT
Once gets his fitness back, WTF has he been doing for the last six months, watching Tele?? He gets paid bundles so whether he plays or not he should be fit. The real reason this donkey wasn’t in the squad is because he’s crap. He a can run fast, so can my dog but doesn’t mean he can play football . His ability is and always will be poor.[/quote] That’s not nice to say about your dog!My dog can improve, Diouf is on the way to the knackers yard
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 10, 2019 8:24:52 GMT
Played players in their proper positions
Actually used the squad available to him rather than ostracising numerous ones for reasons that were never clear.
Measured post-match interview in which he didn’t get carried away and didn’t antagonise his squad or aggrandise his own efforts.
Are we finally being managed by an actual grown up?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 10, 2019 8:39:47 GMT
That really isn't the point. I was responding to a post that specifically related to Woods and Diouf not one on today's result. I'm delighted with today's result but it doesn't change the fact that Woods turned in a lacklustre performance and Diouf has been poor for a very long time He didn't though,the manager singled him out as being excellent especially as he hadn't played for weeks and they expected him not to stand up to the physicality of the game. The first goal was down to Bath and Edwards in particular not marking correctly.Woods thought the player was going to shoot and then realised he was passing,thus he twisted to try to intercept the pass that was going behind him.His performance certainly wasn't lacklustre all things considered. He had a couple of belters then a poor game vs PNE and was never seen again. Wonder what went on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2019 8:41:47 GMT
Are we finally being managed by an actual grown up? Looks like it doesn't it. Almost forgot what that looks like.
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Post by stokie1947 on Nov 10, 2019 8:49:42 GMT
i was surprised he preferred Woods to Ndiaye but a great start for him
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 10, 2019 9:08:27 GMT
Same old story with Woods, defensively weak and passive. Let a player walk right by just after half time and gave them a goal. I don't understand why he doesn't just foul the guy and take a booking, just do something
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Post by telfordstokie on Nov 10, 2019 9:10:08 GMT
Played players in their proper positions Actually used the squad available to him rather than ostracising numerous ones for reasons that were never clear. Measured post-match interview in which he didn’t get carried away and didn’t antagonise his squad or aggrandise his own efforts. Are we finally being managed by an actual grown up? Literally came on this thread to post the same about being managed by a grown up. It’s obviously early days but finally feels like there is an adult in the room. Amazing and refreshing contrast in post-match behaviour and interview between MON yesterday and Jones after Fulham.
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Post by werrington on Nov 10, 2019 9:39:03 GMT
Same old story with Woods, defensively weak and passive. Let a player walk right by just after half time and gave them a goal. I don't understand why he doesn't just foul the guy and take a booking, just do something His passing and link up play were superb though We won 4-2 away and he was pivotal in that as acknowledged by the travelling support who were all saying how well he’d played on the train home and by the manager himself Why you’ve chosen that incident is beyond me
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 10, 2019 9:43:57 GMT
Same old story with Woods, defensively weak and passive. Let a player walk right by just after half time and gave them a goal. I don't understand why he doesn't just foul the guy and take a booking, just do something His passing and link up play were superb though We won 4-2 away and he was pivotal in that as acknowledged by the travelling support who were all saying how well he’d played on the train home and by the manager himself Why you’ve chosen that incident is beyond me I was pleased by the overall performance and wouldn't have made an issue of it were it not for the fact that it happens time and time again, and could cost us three points next time he plays. I'm sure O'Neill will be looking to address it. Same withe the back four, flat footed and square once again getting done with a simple long ball. Barnsley were gifted two goals. Edit: just to qualify with Woods, I do think he's a talented player, but needs to be in a two with a big enforcer/sitting type next to him, but w don't have that luxury right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:52:41 GMT
I used to like Diouf when he was like a tumble dryer, all over the place and causing havoc. Sadly those days are over - but with a bit of confidence back, he could play a part
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:36:55 GMT
Same old story with Woods, defensively weak and passive. Let a player walk right by just after half time and gave them a goal. I don't understand why he doesn't just foul the guy and take a booking, just do something His passing and link up play were superb though We won 4-2 away and he was pivotal in that as acknowledged by the travelling support who were all saying how well he’d played on the train home and by the manager himself Why you’ve chosen that incident is beyond me It’s a fair comment though isn’t it? When I watched the highlights it’s definitely something I picked up on and as GS says it’s not like it’s the first time it’s happened. I really like Woods too but it’s the reason why you can’t really have him as the deepest midfielder long term. Good to hear though that he did the stuff we know he can do well, well though because he is a very good footballer and very different to the other central midfielders we have.
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2019 10:37:17 GMT
i was surprised he preferred Woods to Ndiaye but a great start for him Ndiaye wasn't 100% fit
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Post by werrington on Nov 10, 2019 10:40:08 GMT
His passing and link up play were superb though We won 4-2 away and he was pivotal in that as acknowledged by the travelling support who were all saying how well he’d played on the train home and by the manager himself Why you’ve chosen that incident is beyond me It’s a fair comment though isn’t it? When I watched the highlights it’s definitely something I picked up on and as GS says it’s not like it’s the first time it’s happened. I really like Woods too but it’s the reason why you can’t really have him as the deepest midfielder long term. Good to hear though that he did the stuff we know he can do well, well though because he is a very good footballer and very different to the other central midfielders we have. He’s a footballer mate and played alongside a Badou/Etebo type he can dominate games as we saw again yesterday It’s what we need as everyone other midfield player is an engine
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:42:46 GMT
It’s a fair comment though isn’t it? When I watched the highlights it’s definitely something I picked up on and as GS says it’s not like it’s the first time it’s happened. I really like Woods too but it’s the reason why you can’t really have him as the deepest midfielder long term. Good to hear though that he did the stuff we know he can do well, well though because he is a very good footballer and very different to the other central midfielders we have. He’s a footballer mate and played alongside a Badou/Etebo type he can dominate games as we saw again yesterday It’s what we need as everyone other midfield player is an engine Agreed but I would expect any central midfielder to make the foul there tbh. And it has to be Badou imo, he’s the only DM we have. Etebo/Allen/Clucas/Woods for the other roles. Depending on what you want.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 10, 2019 10:52:19 GMT
i was surprised he preferred Woods to Ndiaye but a great start for him Maybe he knows one will be off in January? Woods is probably also more of a playmaker than Badou.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:56:29 GMT
i was surprised he preferred Woods to Ndiaye but a great start for him Maybe he knows one will be off in January? Woods is probably also more of a playmaker than Badou. But he really can’t defend. Against lesser teams it’s fine but against most sides in this league I don’t think it is. As a pairing though it’s very good.
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Post by chumley on Nov 10, 2019 11:01:13 GMT
i was surprised he preferred Woods to Ndiaye but a great start for him Just maybe Ndiaye is knackered or Oneill knows he wants off ? but either way if Ndiaye and Etebo both go in January it shows we have replacements in house already and it's not end of the world. More concerned about wingers than midfield. If anyone went to Villa away last season they will have seen Woods and Allen run the game, those two do compliment each other well IMO.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 10, 2019 11:38:02 GMT
Of course Ndiaye wants out in January. So you play him, he plays out of his skin to get his move and hopefully drags us with him until he goes.
We aren’t going to get any kind of decent fee for him if he’s in the stiffs.
I’m sure O’Neill isn’t daft and Badou really does have a knock.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 10, 2019 12:02:51 GMT
Woods will always be a bit frustrating. If he had 10-15% more bite and urgency to him he’d be absolutely class.
On the balance of overall achievements and contribution for Stoke, Diouf is far and away the best striker we have at the club. At 32 he’s not necessarily the answer now but we don’t fucking know do we.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 10, 2019 13:33:04 GMT
Why the fuck should he be given time, whether it’s yesterday next week or next year, the bloke is a shit footballer and when you’re second bottom we don’t need shit footballers We do need workrate, hrart, team ethic, selfless attitudes and bottle.....diouf has all these in spades. Give me diouf above 80% of the shite we've signed in the last 3 years any day of the week. Not once has he fookin cried to the press bout playing in every single position other than the one hes been good at. He is still the top scorer in the prem for us. Utilised correctly, diouf will be an asset in this league.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 10, 2019 13:37:05 GMT
That really isn't the point. I was responding to a post that specifically related to Woods and Diouf not one on today's result. I'm delighted with today's result but it doesn't change the fact that Woods turned in a lacklustre performance and Diouf has been poor for a very long time He didn't though,the manager singled him out as being excellent especially as he hadn't played for weeks and they expected him not to stand up to the physicality of the game. The first goal was down to Bath and Edwards in particular not marking correctly.Woods thought the player was going to shoot and then realised he was passing,thus he twisted to try to intercept the pass that was going behind him.His performance certainly wasn't lacklustre all things considered. Shooting or not he shouldn't be turning his back like he did.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 10, 2019 15:43:37 GMT
Let's get it right.....Woods had a good game and for someone who was snubbed by an idiot, a very good game. Get him match fit again and he'll be a real asset!
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 10, 2019 16:18:22 GMT
He didn't though,the manager singled him out as being excellent especially as he hadn't played for weeks and they expected him not to stand up to the physicality of the game. The first goal was down to Bath and Edwards in particular not marking correctly.Woods thought the player was going to shoot and then realised he was passing,thus he twisted to try to intercept the pass that was going behind him.His performance certainly wasn't lacklustre all things considered. He had a couple of belters then a poor game vs PNE and was never seen again. Wonder what went on. I think he was the scapegoat for that performance and rightly wasn't happy about it.I think he probably had words with Jones,and Jones didn't like it. So glad to see the end of Jones's tenure tbh.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 10, 2019 16:29:11 GMT
He didn't though,the manager singled him out as being excellent especially as he hadn't played for weeks and they expected him not to stand up to the physicality of the game. The first goal was down to Bath and Edwards in particular not marking correctly.Woods thought the player was going to shoot and then realised he was passing,thus he twisted to try to intercept the pass that was going behind him.His performance certainly wasn't lacklustre all things considered. Shooting or not he shouldn't be turning his back like he did. Who has said he should be?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 19:54:25 GMT
Woods is a footballer
He can play , he can receive the ball in tight situations and use it well . Which is The sign of a good player
There is a lot to like about his touch , technique and vision
Just a shame he is a bit sh*t defensively
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 10, 2019 21:24:20 GMT
Woods is a footballer He can play , he can receive the ball in tight situations and use it well . Which is The sign of a good player There is a lot to like about his touch , technique and vision Just a shame he is a bit sh*t defensively He isn’t good in tight situations because he always goes right and isn’t quick enough to get past people. Badou is faster and can get past people
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 21:25:10 GMT
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