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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 25, 2019 1:27:04 GMT
Stokes just gone, dragging on a wide ball there was no need to play. Infuriating because they’d taken a lot of sting out of the game and Boult won’t bowl again meaning they’re down to 2 frontline seamers. Bollocks.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 25, 2019 2:02:30 GMT
Fuck off Pope, ridiculous shot.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 25, 2019 3:07:31 GMT
Not seen any test cricket for years but the Sky coverage turns up on ESPN. Hard to believe. The Pope shot. Leaving a ball that mashes your off stump. Can’t see surviving, what is it, 33 overs?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 3:26:33 GMT
Not seen any test cricket for years but the Sky coverage turns up on ESPN. Hard to believe. The Pope shot. Leaving a ball that mashes your off stump. Can’t see surviving, what is it, 33 overs? 27 left now. Can’t see Archer and Curran lasting they’re playing like they’re chasing 8 an over into win....
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 25, 2019 3:47:46 GMT
Made Wagner look like Whispering Death today
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 3:47:50 GMT
Right on cue, Archer flicks one out to deep square.
21 over for Curran and Broad to survive......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 3:50:04 GMT
Ha ha Broad first ball.
Well done New Zealand, abject from England......
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2019 6:03:38 GMT
Ha ha Broad first ball. Well done New Zealand, abject from England...... Broad won’t be looking back too fondly on this test. 1 run and no wickets.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2019 6:30:25 GMT
It’s hard to be too disappointed at the end of this test.
Not because it wasn’t a poor performance but because it is yet another poor performance. The template is well established. England fail to score enough runs in their first innings, concede a monster lead to the opposition, fold miserably in the second inning falling to a crushing defeat.
What I am disappointed about is the absence of Bob Willis on The Verdict.
Instead we get the feeble, anodyne analysis of Sky’s other pundits who give an unwitting insight into England’s malaise. No one gets angry, let alone furious other than the players with the occasional person in the media who expresses what most of us feel. Alex Stewart, though, is your more typical pundit and he epitomises the apathy surrounding England. “He had the right plan, but didn’t execute it” is his standard phrase when explaining another unnecessary dismissal. Very true - but total shite. They are test cricketers not England under 15s. You are supposed to get the execution correct at this level. We indulge poor performance and poor performers. From the captain. From the senior players. From the youngsters.
One thing though. This new fangled test league thingy is going to expose how shit we are in a big way.
Anyway - the good news is we have another test starting in a few days. Respect to any of you watching it through the night.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 25, 2019 6:30:56 GMT
Cracking start to the "new regime".. I don't think it could've gone any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 6:56:06 GMT
It really was an abject performance all round.
How much longer can/should Root stay as captain ?
Bayliss was a white ball specialist and whilst we definitely progressed in that area under him we have most certainly massively deteriorated in the Test team. There needs to be a big overhaul and rethink of our approach to Test cricket. The problem is do we really have the cricketers at the moment who can come in and improve the team. Or can the existing ones improve so that they don't repeatedly get out to stupid shots, can the bowlers improve, who is going to replace Anderson and Broad short and long term ?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2019 7:03:47 GMT
It really was an abject performance all round. How much longer can/should Root stay as captain ? Bayliss was a white ball specialist and whilst we definitely progressed in that area under him we have most certainly massively deteriorated in the Test team. There needs to be a big overhaul and rethink of our approach to Test cricket. The problem is do we really have the cricketers at the moment who can come in and improve the team. Or can the existing ones improve so that they don't repeatedly get out to stupid shots, can the bowlers improve, who is going to replace Anderson and Broad short and long term ? Root will be captain for the foreseeable. Mainly, and regrettably, because there is no viable alternative... Broad - no, because he is likely to be selected alternately with Anderson going forward particularly on overseas tours. Stokes - no, because he has more than enough on his plate as the team’s all rounder Buttler - no, because his coat is on the shoogliest of all pegs Which leaves a bunch of folk who are all newbies in the team still to prove themselves at test cricket. So Root it is. Unless they do something radical - and maybe it is high time for being radical - and pick the captain on a test by test basis. So whichever of Broad or Anderson plays is skipper.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 25, 2019 7:10:34 GMT
It really was an abject performance all round. How much longer can/should Root stay as captain ? Bayliss was a white ball specialist and whilst we definitely progressed in that area under him we have most certainly massively deteriorated in the Test team. There needs to be a big overhaul and rethink of our approach to Test cricket. The problem is do we really have the cricketers at the moment who can come in and improve the team. Or can the existing ones improve so that they don't repeatedly get out to stupid shots, can the bowlers improve, who is going to replace Anderson and Broad short and long term ? Root will be captain for the foreseeable. Mainly, and regrettably, because there is no viable alternative... Broad - no, because he is likely to be selected alternately with Anderson going forward particularly on overseas tours. Stokes - no, because he has more than enough on his plate as the team’s all rounder Buttler - no, because his coat is on the shoogliest of all pegs Which leaves a bunch of folk who are all newbies in the team still to prove themselves at test cricket. So Root it is. Unless they do something radical - and maybe it is high time for being radical - and pick the captain on a test by test basis. So whichever of Broad or Anderson plays is skipper. I don't think anything would change if we gave the captaincy to one of Root's mates, it's got to the point now where it'll have to be someone new with fresh eyes on the situation, that can only happen though when the old guard have gone imo. I love Jimmy and Broady is excellent against the Aussies, but nothing will change until they hang up their boots. We'll win a few, we'll lose a few with little consistency, and I've accepted that for the past few years already.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 25, 2019 10:06:07 GMT
Cracking start to the "new regime".. I don't think it could've gone any worse. Only thing giving me a bit of hope is that they didn't play like complete dicks on day 1. The other 4 days were as bad as the old regime in every way. The batting is one thing, if you're crap you're crap at times. What really grinds my gears is the absence of any bounce or verve when we're bowling and can't break a partnership. Heads drop, no chat, no venom. Just buffet bowling until the batsman decides it's time to get out. It's something we've struggled at since Swann and his knack of getting a wicket in his first spell departed.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 25, 2019 10:08:23 GMT
It’s hard to be too disappointed at the end of this test. Not because it wasn’t a poor performance but because it is yet another poor performance. The template is well established. England fail to score enough runs in their first innings, concede a monster lead to the opposition, fold miserably in the second inning falling to a crushing defeat. What I am disappointed about is the absence of Bob Willis on The Verdict. Instead we get the feeble, anodyne analysis of Sky’s other pundits who give an unwitting insight into England’s malaise. No one gets angry, let alone furious other than the players with the occasional person in the media who expresses what most of us feel. Alex Stewart, though, is your more typical pundit and he epitomises the apathy surrounding England. “He had the right plan, but didn’t execute it” is his standard phrase when explaining another unnecessary dismissal. Very true - but total shite. They are test cricketers not England under 15s. You are supposed to get the execution correct at this level. We indulge poor performance and poor performers. From the captain. From the senior players. From the youngsters. One thing though. This new fangled test league thingy is going to expose how shit we are in a big way. Anyway - the good news is we have another test starting in a few days. Respect to any of you watching it through the night. With regards to the Test Championship, it's going to be hilarious when India don't lose a game en route to the final and then lose it to Australia because it's at Lord's
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Post by AlliG on Nov 25, 2019 12:40:13 GMT
According to the BBC site that out of the last 8 occasions we have made 350+ in our first innings we have lost 4 of those Tests by an innings.
That is a pretty damning indictment of our approach to batting on decent batting wickets.
New Zealand were able to bowl a nice wide line and restrict the run rate because against England it is a wicket taking strategy knowing that our batsmen get easily bored and are not able to resist the temptation to chase wide balls.
England bowling the same line against New Zealand was basically a waste of energy because the New Zealand batsmen just shouldered arms, left the balls and waited for the bowlers to give them scoring opportunities.
I can't see that we can do a lot to change the mentality of our batsmen in the next 4 days before the next Test but we can change our bowling tactics to play to the strengths of our bowlers.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 25, 2019 13:21:16 GMT
Also worth pointing out New Zealand lost Trent Boult for the majority of the day. Pathetic effort.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 20:31:09 GMT
Also worth pointing out New Zealand lost Trent Boult for the majority of the day. Pathetic effort. They’ll replace him with Lockie Ferguson for the next test who is rapid. Our options are to replace one medium place trundler in Curran for another in Woakes.......
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 25, 2019 20:56:12 GMT
Also worth pointing out New Zealand lost Trent Boult for the majority of the day. Pathetic effort. They’ll replace him with Lockie Ferguson for the next test who is rapid. Our options are to replace one medium place trundler in Curran for another in Woakes....... To be fair our batsmen do seem to prefer a bit more pace on the ball. Boult who was their quickest bowler only took one wicket in the match. None of their other bowlers who did the damage were bowling any quicker than Broad or Curran. We’d probably fair better against Ferguson than we would Matt Henry.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 25, 2019 22:42:24 GMT
The captaincy,maybe it's time for another Mike Brealey.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2019 22:55:21 GMT
They’ll replace him with Lockie Ferguson for the next test who is rapid. Our options are to replace one medium place trundler in Curran for another in Woakes....... To be fair our batsmen do seem to prefer a bit more pace on the ball. Boult who was their quickest bowler only took one wicket in the match. None of their other bowlers who did the damage were bowling any quicker than Broad or Curran. We’d probably fair better against Ferguson than we would Matt Henry. We’d probably struggle against Lenny Henry these days.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 27, 2019 21:50:34 GMT
Joe Root’s fall from grace is confirmed: ICC Test Batting Ranking. Not only is he now miles away from being in the Fab4 - or rather he has shown himself to be Ringo - he has now dropped out of the Top 10. I remember a few years ago when batting for him was, seemingly, effortless he developed a habit of not converting 50s to hundreds. I mentioned then there was a danger of him becoming a Bell+. Ian Bell scored beautiful 30s and 40s, Root beautiful 70s and 80s. It seemed to me at that time he was far too complacent and there was a danger he would not deliver the performances he is capable of. Since then things have got worse. I hope he sorts things out, because he is as talented a batsmen as we have had in the past 30 years. He needs to get his head sorted though.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 27, 2019 22:10:59 GMT
Also worth pointing out New Zealand lost Trent Boult for the majority of the day. Pathetic effort. They’ll replace him with Lockie Ferguson for the next test who is rapid. Our options are to replace one medium place trundler in Curran for another in Woakes....... Or Saqib Mahmood who is not a trundler
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 22:29:46 GMT
They’ll replace him with Lockie Ferguson for the next test who is rapid. Our options are to replace one medium place trundler in Curran for another in Woakes....... Or Saqib Mahmood who is not a trundler Absolutely, they won’t pick him though. One of the reasons would be that it would “weaken the batting” which is classic England......
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 28, 2019 8:08:25 GMT
Buttler a doubt for the 2nd test with Pope set to take the gloves if he doesn’t make it.
Will be interesting to see if they replace Buttler with Crawley or play an extra bowler. Plenty of grass on the wicket apparently and Seddon Park is usually a ground for the seamers.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Crawley comes in for Buttler and they bring in Woakes or Mahmood for Leach.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 28, 2019 21:39:17 GMT
Crawley in for Buttler and Woakes in for Leach then.
We’ve won the toss and are having a bowl. Plenty of rain around later apparently so might be a decent day for a bowl.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 28, 2019 21:56:56 GMT
Crawley in for Buttler and Woakes in for Leach then. We’ve won the toss and are having a bowl. Plenty of rain around later apparently so might be a decent day for a bowl. Taking Leach out definitely weakens the batting.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2019 8:54:55 GMT
New Zealand gave another lesson on test match batting on a shortened 1st day.
That lesson being - when you get in, get a ton.
I hope our batsmen are paying attention.
Congrats, btw, to Chris Woakes for a good day with the ball. It will be very good news if he can establish himself In the team.
Congrats also to Mr Root for taking some good catches today. Let’s hope that gives him some confidence to take forward into his batting.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2019 18:13:23 GMT
SPOTY - moment of the year has been announced; link. Six to choose from - 4 are pish, 2 aren’t. But, of the two standouts, which to choose... The winning moment of the cricket World Cup The winning hit from Stokes in the 3rd test. I can’t make up my mind!
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 29, 2019 20:21:14 GMT
New Zealand gave another lesson on test match batting on a shortened 1st day. That lesson being - when you get in, get a ton. I hope our batsmen are paying attention. Congrats, btw, to Chris Woakes for a good day with the ball. It will be very good news if he can establish himself In the team. Congrats also to Mr Root for taking some good catches today. Let’s hope that gives him some confidence to take forward into his batting. Bad news on Stokes knee the same one as 2016 I would assume if its serious he wont bowl much if at all again for England he is good enough to play just as a batsman and perhaps could be the long term answer to No 3 wbich would leave a gap for Curran, Woakes, Overton, Gregory or good old Mo.
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