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Post by spitthedog on Nov 22, 2019 1:23:51 GMT
We don't seem to be able to find a batsman who stay in with Jack Leach!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 4:30:04 GMT
Williamson making it look easy so far this innings.
We’re going to have to keep taking wickets at the other end as he looks like he’s here to stay.
EDIT: commentators curse, Williamson is gone.
England need to be looking at a lead of around 80-100 here, Archer and Broad need to improve tomorrow......
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 22, 2019 6:52:51 GMT
Hard to assess this test at the moment.
I hear the wicket is “2-paced” but too many wickets have gone to poor shots. Williamson is the only player who could look at the pitch as a factor.
The morning session tomorrow will be interesting as England will be bowling throughout with an ageing Kookaburra meaning batting will be as good as it gets for the Black Caps. If Archer can’t work his magic then it will be down to England maintaining control until they take the second New Ball in the early afternoon. This is where Leach earns his money and Curran has the opportunity to demonstrate his credentials as a “third” seamer.
Btw - this is why test cricket is so good. Different phases of the game require different skills. It’s fascinating stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:07:58 GMT
Hard to assess this test at the moment. I hear the wicket is “2-paced” but too many wickets have gone to poor shots. Williamson is the only player who could look at the pitch as a factor. The morning session tomorrow will be interesting as England will be bowling throughout with an ageing Kookaburra meaning batting will be as good as it gets for the Black Caps. If Archer can’t work his magic then it will be down to England maintaining control until they take the second New Ball in the early afternoon. This is where Leach earns his money and Curran has the opportunity to demonstrate his credentials as a “third” seamer. Btw - this is why test cricket is so good. Different phases of the game require different skills. It’s fascinating stuff! There was an hours passage of play when Buttler was keeping the strike from Leach (not sure why Leach was seeing it like a beach ball?) when the field was spread and Buttler's timing was out which tested the patience of the most ardent test match fan. 1 run an over it was painful. Best sport in the world though is cricket (specifically test match cricket)
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Post by AlliG on Nov 22, 2019 10:28:15 GMT
It seems a bit of a novelty not being 50-4. The challenge now is to build on the start and make sure we build a decent first innings score. It is nearly 2 years since we topped 400 in the first innings of a Test match. Seems like someone needs to sit the team down and hammer home the point that if you bat first in a Test your aim has to be to still be batting after tea on the 2nd day. The first session tonight could be very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 2:56:34 GMT
This is as flat a days cricket you’ll ever see from England.
No energy, passive captaincy, Archer sulking cause things aren’t going his way, Broad running in like an old man. Stokes not been given the ball to make something happen. Shocking.
Makes our batting collapse even more shocking, this pitch is as flat as a pancake.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 3:03:14 GMT
What a surprise, Stokes the man that always makes things happen gets a wicket first ball after tea. 2 hours too late from Root.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 23, 2019 5:10:34 GMT
Well today couldn’t have gone much worse really. It will be very hard to win the game from this position with only two days remaining.
We’ve had a rotten day in the field but it only goes to further highlight how feeble our efforts with the bat were yesterday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 5:13:51 GMT
What a shocker of a day.
Stokes bowling apart (criminally underused) it was pathetic from England.
And as for the captaincy, not good enough.
Off for a couple of hours shut eye....
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 23, 2019 5:30:44 GMT
Well today couldn’t have gone much worse really. It will be very hard to win the game from this position with only two days remaining. We’ve had a rotten day in the field but it only goes to further highlight how feeble our efforts with the bat were yesterday morning. I think the problem started on day 1 when neither Burns or Denly converted good starts into decent scores. Day 2 was as you point out a mess with the bat. It will be interesting to see how we get on batting in the second innings if New Zealand manage to get a big lead meaning we have to bat out time to save the game.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 23, 2019 5:48:48 GMT
What a shocker of a day. Stokes bowling apart (criminally underused) it was pathetic from England. And as for the captaincy, not good enough. Off for a couple of hours shut eye.... Respect to you for seeing it through the night. Root is a dreadful captain. I just had a look at the bowling figures. Archer has bowled the most of all the quicks. This is not how you use your strike bowler. When it ain’t working you need your 3rd and 4th seamers doing more. Archer should bowl a handful of 3/4 over spells. No more than 20 overs. Curran should be working overtime in these circumstances. We saw last summer how Root overbowled Archer. He Is doing the same here. I’ve some sympathy with the bowlers though. We started the day with an old Kookaburra on a dead pitch. I’m not surprised New Zealand did well. As Boycott (regularly) says, you can only judge a wicket after both teams bat. Well, we’ve seen enough to conclude we didn’t score enough runs. The cause is obvious. 5 of our top 6 made starts. Not one went onto convert into three figures. We seem to have sorted one aspect of our test batting malaise - losing too many early wickets. But, there’s a second that needs sorting and that is converting starts into big hundreds. Tomorrow could be very interesting if NZ get a lead over a hundred. The pressure will be on our batsmen in a big way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 9:12:18 GMT
What a shocker of a day. Stokes bowling apart (criminally underused) it was pathetic from England. And as for the captaincy, not good enough. Off for a couple of hours shut eye.... Respect to you for seeing it through the night. Root is a dreadful captain. I just had a look at the bowling figures. Archer has bowled the most of all the quicks. This is not how you use your strike bowler. When it ain’t working you need your 3rd and 4th seamers doing more. Archer should bowl a handful of 3/4 over spells. No more than 20 overs. Curran should be working overtime in these circumstances. We saw last summer how Root overbowled Archer. He Is doing the same here. I’ve some sympathy with the bowlers though. We started the day with an old Kookaburra on a dead pitch. I’m not surprised New Zealand did well. As Boycott (regularly) says, you can only judge a wicket after both teams bat. Well, we’ve seen enough to conclude we didn’t score enough runs. The cause is obvious. 5 of our top 6 made starts. Not one went onto convert into three figures. We seem to have sorted one aspect of our test batting malaise - losing too many early wickets. But, there’s a second that needs sorting and that is converting starts into big hundreds. Tomorrow could be very interesting if NZ get a lead over a hundred. The pressure will be on our batsmen in a big way. What makes it worse with Archer is he didn’t start in the attack from the off, despite hitting Nicholls and rattling him late yesterday, he then didn’t give him the new ball either.....
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 23, 2019 15:42:22 GMT
Respect to you for seeing it through the night. Root is a dreadful captain. I just had a look at the bowling figures. Archer has bowled the most of all the quicks. This is not how you use your strike bowler. When it ain’t working you need your 3rd and 4th seamers doing more. Archer should bowl a handful of 3/4 over spells. No more than 20 overs. Curran should be working overtime in these circumstances. We saw last summer how Root overbowled Archer. He Is doing the same here. I’ve some sympathy with the bowlers though. We started the day with an old Kookaburra on a dead pitch. I’m not surprised New Zealand did well. As Boycott (regularly) says, you can only judge a wicket after both teams bat. Well, we’ve seen enough to conclude we didn’t score enough runs. The cause is obvious. 5 of our top 6 made starts. Not one went onto convert into three figures. We seem to have sorted one aspect of our test batting malaise - losing too many early wickets. But, there’s a second that needs sorting and that is converting starts into big hundreds. Tomorrow could be very interesting if NZ get a lead over a hundred. The pressure will be on our batsmen in a big way. What makes it worse with Archer is he didn’t start in the attack from the off, despite hitting Nicholls and rattling him late yesterday, he then didn’t give him the new ball either..... What??????!!!!!!!! I didn’t know that. That is simply absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 23:59:57 GMT
Jeez this is dull.
I’m off to bed......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 5:05:11 GMT
Pressure of too many dot balls got to Sibley there, poor shot he could have left it.
Uphill task ahead now, shouldn’t be on this pitch mind it’s an absolute road......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 5:19:28 GMT
New England, same brain dead batting.
That was woeful from Burns.
53/2 with a deficit of over 200, this could get messy....,
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 5:32:12 GMT
55/3 at the close.
Mitchell Santner 125 and 3/6.
Not Gary Sobers. Mitchell Santner.......
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 6:30:48 GMT
55/3 at the close. Mitchell Santner 125 and 3/6. Not Gary Sobers. Mitchell Santner....... Not Royston Chase either! What’s happened here is the classic situation where batsmen reap the rewards of batting a long time on a flat pitch. Runs become easy. It goes back to our first innings when we failed to capitalise on starts. We are now paying the price. A big day for Root tomorrow. He has the opportunity to score a big hundred and save the game. Let’s hope he does it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 24, 2019 8:53:11 GMT
Car crash Cricket from an England side, who'd have thunk it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2019 8:57:36 GMT
We're just a pretty poor Test side and that's that.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 24, 2019 10:35:01 GMT
55/3 at the close. Mitchell Santner 125 and 3/6. Not Gary Sobers. Mitchell Santner....... Not Royston Chase either! What’s happened here is the classic situation where batsmen reap the rewards of batting a long time on a flat pitch. Runs become easy. It goes back to our first innings when we failed to capitalise on starts. We are now paying the price. A big day for Root tomorrow. He has the opportunity to score a big hundred and save the game. Let’s hope he does it. This. England players don't have the capacity to think ahead. Brainless cricket. They get to about 240-4 on a flat pitch and then decide to totally abandon the tactics that have got them there and start swishing outside off stump. Stokes and Pope wickets were just horrendous. You would have thought we were 500-4. They don't get the fact they have 5 days to bat. They then pay the price for it. None of out batsman have the capacity to do what Watling has done. Grind it out. They think they are better than they are.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 10:57:37 GMT
Not Royston Chase either! What’s happened here is the classic situation where batsmen reap the rewards of batting a long time on a flat pitch. Runs become easy. It goes back to our first innings when we failed to capitalise on starts. We are now paying the price. A big day for Root tomorrow. He has the opportunity to score a big hundred and save the game. Let’s hope he does it. This. England players don't have the capacity to think ahead. Brainless cricket. They get to about 240-4 on a flat pitch and then decide to totally abandon the tactics that have got them there and start swishing outside off stump. Stokes and Pope wickets were just horrendous. You would have thought we were 500-4. They don't get the fact they have 5 days to bat. They then pay the price for it. None of out batsman have the capacity to do what Watling has done. Grind it out. They think they are better than they are. I noticed when Watling was 120 odd, he had faced more than 300 balls. His strike rate was just over 30%. I’m not sure our batsmen think they are better than they are. They just don’t seem to be able to adopt the mentality of playing test cricket. Stokes is a good example. He has done incredibly well, but his batting is block or bash. He seems unable to find the correct tempo for test match batting. You can feel his restraint when he is blocking and he is yearning to let rip. The opposition know that too. At some point he will attack. And it will be full out attack. And, most times, he will lose his wicket scoring less than he should have. A good example was on day 1, he got stuck into Southee hitting him for three (glorious) boundaries and then offered a (simple) chance to slip going for a 4th successive 4 that Was spilled in the slips.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 24, 2019 11:17:45 GMT
Not Royston Chase either! What’s happened here is the classic situation where batsmen reap the rewards of batting a long time on a flat pitch. Runs become easy. It goes back to our first innings when we failed to capitalise on starts. We are now paying the price. A big day for Root tomorrow. He has the opportunity to score a big hundred and save the game. Let’s hope he does it. This. England players don't have the capacity to think ahead. Brainless cricket. They get to about 240-4 on a flat pitch and then decide to totally abandon the tactics that have got them there and start swishing outside off stump. Stokes and Pope wickets were just horrendous. You would have thought we were 500-4. They don't get the fact they have 5 days to bat. They then pay the price for it. None of out batsman have the capacity to do what Watling has done. Grind it out. They think they are better than they are. One day (though I won't be holding my breath) the penny will finally drop with England that Test matches are all about the first innings and batting as long and deep as possible. I would have thought we have been on the receiving end of sufficient 1st innings like New Zealand's over the past few years for even the thickest captain/coach/player to understand what is required. I have become nostalgic for the days when the commentators on TMS would start arguing about when was the right time for England to declare.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 12:44:13 GMT
We're just a pretty poor Test side and that's that. And New Zealand are 2nd in the world, by picking a well balanced team that all know their role in the team.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 24, 2019 21:57:50 GMT
If recent matches against New Zealand are anything to go by then tonight could be a cracker.
I reckon we’ll be all out before tea though. Time for Root to put in a captains performance and remind us all that he can bat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 22:03:08 GMT
If recent matches against New Zealand are anything to go by then tonight could be a cracker. I reckon we’ll be all out before tea though. Time for Root to put in a captains performance and remind us all that he can bat. I'm feeling positive. We'll be 279-7 at the close......
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Nov 24, 2019 22:07:46 GMT
I'm quite confident.
If it goes to a super over🤣.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 24, 2019 22:46:10 GMT
I’ll almost certainly be eating my words later but considering this is a day five wicket, Santner is looking about as threatening as Ashley Giles on a day one wicket.
New Zealand bowlers not bowling enough balls at the stumps so far.
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Post by mattintheprem on Nov 24, 2019 22:55:07 GMT
Will be all over by midnight
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 22:56:57 GMT
Fuck off Root.
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