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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 28, 2019 19:33:18 GMT
I must just say being good between the boxes really isn't that important, but being good in the boxes really matters. I hope you can see what I'm trying to say here. No I do understand, and I'm not far off the same belief, but generally I think we've 'deserved' (awful way to say it I know) more points than we have from our performances. I do not believe that Nathan Jones is the reason we are in the bottom 3, because I think individual mistakes have cost us so many points this season. You can say 'well he's picking them' but even so, you do not expect England and Wales internationals to singlehandedly cost the team 10+ points in 14 games. You can of course be unlucky in some games, but NJ has been in charge for close to 30 league games now and as said has won 4-5 games. Over a period of time it's more and more difficult to speak about luck, in fact I really believe you make your own luck in football.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 29, 2019 5:10:12 GMT
Its got me thinking this one. But I think its pretty hard to argue against the fact that when we get hold of a manager or player they instantly turn into a worse version of themselves. The list is endless. I've thought about my own career and its dawned on me that when you arrive at a company and quickly realise there are many things wrong with the way the company operates you kind of lose the will to want to perform to your best. Eventually resigning yourself to stick it out for a bit and plod along until the right opportunity comes along to get a move to another company vowing to have learnt a lesson from the last move. This is the problem at Stoke I think. I don't profess to know exactly what it is but there is something about the club set up that is draining any enthusiasm a player or manager might have when they first arrive. We can keep tinkering around with new managers and players but ultimately there is a pressing need to sort out what is going on upstairs and change the working atmosphere for the playing staff. Until then I think very little will change in terms of our fortunes. I agree with you totally, ...so many of our new signings over the years seem brilliant for the first couple of games then go rapidly into decline...then often disappear not even good enough for the subs bench. Those that maybe speak out ..and obviously want to play for Stoke city mysteriously get sidelined even more, often put out on loan as punishment. It’s as if they’re told “keep your head down and don’t draw attention to yourself “. I’m sure we could turn the likes of Harry Kane into a blubbering wreck within a month easily. It’s as if the heart and soul of the club has been lost, players and management need to go and find it quickly and while they are looking they might find some desire, team spirit and backbone...
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Post by rawli on Oct 29, 2019 5:16:21 GMT
They need management consultants in first off to identify for them where the issues lie. It just seems to require a 3rd party with an unbiased set of eyes to point out what might be glaring problems that the owners are failing to identify. Then they can start making some decisions about new senior management appointments and form a sustainable plan to get the club moving in the right direction. If you want to spunk even more money up the wall only to end up being told what you already know then getting a bunch of consultants in is definitely the way to go.
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Oct 29, 2019 6:23:13 GMT
This is my take....
Scholes scurrying like a weasel along the corridor to the managers office.....
Knock knock......”Nath, you’re wanted upstairs, I think you might be in trouble bud”
NJ....”what do you mean in trouble? My system will work, its just taking longer than expected, I’ve proved it works twice, even you agreed with me, remember?”
TS....I know, I know, but do me a favour, when you go upstairs don’t mention me and I’ll make sure you’re looked after if anything does happen to you”
From this point this is how I’d play it .....
NJ....”hi Peter, you wanted a word...I don’t know why....everything’s is going to come good, its a long....”
PC....Nathan, stop fucking babbling and sit down.....listen, it’s not fucking happening, you come here, diamond this, diamond fucking that,
“You’ve asked for younger talent, wanted 2 players for each position, you’ve had them, you chose not to use them. The right back gets injured, you replace him with a Centre back, you play a left winger at left back....
NJ...”it’s a system thing, it works it just...”
PC...”Shut the fuck up, I’ve not finished...right..this is your last chance, you either take it on the chin and lose this idea that your ‘revolutionary’ tactics and formations don’t work, get back to basics, show me in the next 2 games that you’re willing to change or you’re through the fucking door .....and ....that weasel faced fuck scholes will be right behind you and you can tell him I said that....
And they all lived happily ever after in a premier league world.....
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Post by chumley on Oct 29, 2019 9:18:26 GMT
Hstated he wont flog them etc before the west brom game, so appears they can turn out what they want and there is no comeback. That's the attitude Hughes had and when Bilic was sacked at West Ham he was told by players that he was too soft. So maybe the players need to be made to train on a Sunday morning and they will then get the message that if the try on the match day then they get the next day off, simple method of donkey and carrot..easy peasy FFS
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 10:14:46 GMT
Weak boardroom allows poor management to remain in place,poor management allows players to underperform,good players become complacent,poor players perform to their ability. The result is 4 years of decline
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 29, 2019 11:11:08 GMT
They need management consultants in first off to identify for them where the issues lie. It just seems to require a 3rd party with an unbiased set of eyes to point out what might be glaring problems that the owners are failing to identify. Then they can start making some decisions about new senior management appointments and form a sustainable plan to get the club moving in the right direction. If you want to spunk even more money up the wall only to end up being told what you already know then getting a bunch of consultants in is definitely the way to go. I know, but at least it would be official.
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Post by skip on Oct 31, 2019 7:57:12 GMT
what happened to Joe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 22:11:46 GMT
Weak boardroom allows poor management to remain in place,poor management allows players to underperform,good players become complacent,poor players perform to their ability. The result is 4 years of decline Jon Coates.
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