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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 17:43:34 GMT
Genuine question. How many of you think it's corrupt? I'm a shocking loser, but my last nag, tipped by Hugh Taylor, was favourite in a roughly 2 mile race. The jockey left it far too late to have any chance of winning, and although the jockey on the winner eased up close to the line, the horse I bet would have p--sed it, but for said jockey giving it far too much to do. It is in my view a very frustrating game, but that really sickened me tonight! As i say, how many seriously believe it's corrupt?
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Post by henry on Oct 19, 2019 17:55:09 GMT
There are plenty of ways for trainers to make sure their horse doesn't win, it's part and parcel of horse racing.
It's not corrupt to the extent of race outcomes being fixed before hand though.
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Post by eddyclamp on Oct 19, 2019 20:37:39 GMT
Don't bet on the dogs😉
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 19, 2019 22:56:03 GMT
Don't understand why Jockeys stop riding if they think they can't win,don't they realise some punters have backed the horse E/W,or had it in a Placepot?
It does my head in.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 20, 2019 1:25:57 GMT
The jockeys won't push their horses, or put them under undue pressure if there is little to gain by doing so. If its not going to be their race better to accept it and live to fight another day. That might be a simplistic view but I believe that the jockeys read their mounts and know whether the horse is going well or not feeling up for a challenge. Remember that these are highly strung temperemental beasts, . . . and the horses can be a bit moody as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 6:52:26 GMT
The race I'm on about, the winning jockey eased up and still just won the race. The thing that winds me up, is the fact in a 2 mile race, the jockey on my horse, which was the f'ing favourite, had plenty of time to get the horse closer to the front. It finished lie a steam train, and would have p--sed it had said jockey got it closer earlier. I'm not happy as that could have made a bad day a lot better. Like I say, it should have won with ease. There is something bent about it IMHO. P.S. If I'd have been on the one easing up, it would have got pipped on the post. Frustration of the highest order. Another thing, nine out of ten favourites that I put in various bets invariably let me down! Coming close to chucking it again. Never had a really decent pick up on all my life. I know there's a tipping column on here somewhere. Anyone know of one of the lad's who tips a few winners? By the way, Hugh Tsylor off at the races had three good winners last week, but since I've been following him this week, he hasn't had one!!!!!!
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2019 9:33:20 GMT
The race I'm on about, the winning jockey eased up and still just won the race. The thing that winds me up, is the fact in a 2 mile race, the jockey on my horse, which was the f'ing favourite, had plenty of time to get the horse closer to the front. It finished lie a steam train, and would have p--sed it had said jockey got it closer earlier. I'm not happy as that could have made a bad day a lot better. Like I say, it should have won with ease. There is something bent about it IMHO. P.S. If I'd have been on the one easing up, it would have got pipped on the post. Frustration of the highest order. Another thing, nine out of ten favourites that I put in various bets invariably let me down! Coming close to chucking it again. Never had a really decent pick up on all my life. I know there's a tipping column on here somewhere. Anyone know of one of the lad's who tips a few winners? By the way, Hugh Tsylor off at the races had three good winners last week, but since I've been following him this week, he hasn't had one!!!!!! Hugh Taylor is pretty much at the top of the pile. (not that i back other peoples tips) What was the name of the horse you backed yesterday and what time race ? |
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2019 9:36:44 GMT
Don't understand why Jockeys stop riding if they think they can't win,don't they realise some punters have backed the horse E/W,or had it in a Placepot? It does my head in. The rules state that jockeys must ride the horse to obtain its best possible placing. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2019 9:42:35 GMT
Don't understand why Jockeys stop riding if they think they can't win,don't they realise some punters have backed the horse E/W,or had it in a Placepot? It does my head in. The rules state that jockeys must ride the horse to obtain its best possible placing. They break the rules quite often, then! You see it all the time, burying horses in the pack, putting them on the rail etc. You can tell when they are really trying. Handicap races are the worst, for obvious reasons. |
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2019 9:58:14 GMT
The rules state that jockeys must ride the horse to obtain its best possible placing. They break the rules quite often, then! You see it all the time, burying horses in the pack, putting them on the rail etc. You can tell when they are really trying. Handicap races are the worst, for obvious reasons. Agree to a certain extent Tricky, races (by accident or design) can be lost very early on, or just by the conditions they are running in. My response above was regarding horses being eased down near the finish, its rare to see jockeys dropping their hands nowadays, they get hit with a fine / ban. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 10:00:51 GMT
Falcon Cliffs in the 6-15 at Wolverhampton. The above poster has it spot on for me. That's trickydicky' spots by the way. They get the bloody things boxed in, and haven't a hope in hell of winning!
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2019 10:26:52 GMT
Falcon Cliffs in the 6-15 at Wolverhampton. The above poster has it spot on for me. That's trickydicky' spots by the way. They get the bloody things boxed in, and haven't a hope in hell of winning! Only had a quick read of its form, but it appears to need dropping in and run on past beaten horses. 1 win out of 22 and 8 places tells its own story, plus the winner yesterday was value for a good 5 lengths. I wouldn't feel cheated bud. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 12:44:18 GMT
Fair play, but if you'd have seen it, it would have won easily if he had got it up with the front runners. It was actually flying at the finish. Had a small amount on Taylor's tip today, and a small amount on Pricewise's tips. Hoping for better luck! P.S. Do you have much luck with them, Henry?
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 20, 2019 13:07:06 GMT
Fair play, but if you'd have seen it, it would have won easily if he had got it up with the front runners. It was actually flying at the finish. Had a small amount on Taylor's tip today, and a small amount on Pricewise's tips. Hoping for better luck! P.S. Do you have much luck with them, Henry? But that isn't the way it runs! If it had been at the front it would probably have been going backwards near the finish. They aren't machines and it's record speaks for itself. |
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Post by redstriper on Oct 20, 2019 13:34:29 GMT
i don't doubt that there are a few fiddles going on, and that ive been the victim with many a bet over the past 30 years of gambling. But i imagine the occasional "touch" is what keeps a few smaller trainers in business so i don't think its worth getting too upset about. My tactic is to save my bigger bets for big races, if you've paid 10k to enter your horse and there's 200k to the winner you can be sure every horse and jockey are trying their utmost.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2019 13:49:52 GMT
Fair play, but if you'd have seen it, it would have won easily if he had got it up with the front runners. It was actually flying at the finish. Had a small amount on Taylor's tip today, and a small amount on Pricewise's tips. Hoping for better luck! P.S. Do you have much luck with them, Henry? But that isn't the way it runs! If it had been at the front it would probably have been going backwards near the finish. They aren't machines and it's record speaks for itself. That's fair enough, Coop, but why does Jamie Spencer ride virtually EVERY horse like that? Looks great when he wins, but surely some horses he rides need to be more handy? I avoid him like the plague! 😁 |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 20, 2019 13:57:15 GMT
But that isn't the way it runs! If it had been at the front it would probably have been going backwards near the finish. They aren't machines and it's record speaks for itself. That's fair enough, Coop, but why does Jamie Spencer ride virtually EVERY horse like that? Looks great when he wins, but surely some horses he rides need to be more handy? I avoid him like the plague! 😁 Does Jamie Spencer choose to ride most of his horses out the back, or do trainers/owners who have hold-up horses give Jamie Spencer the leg-up?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:59:20 GMT
Irrespective of whether it's at the front, the race was over two miles, and considering it was the favourite, he gave it far too much to do. I know they're not machines, but that was ridiculous! Like is said,it was flying at the end, plus I don't study the form from the past that much! It will be interesting to see how it runs next time out though. Tom Marquand, who rode it is an up and coming jockey, who I have a lot of time for, but he gave it too much to do. Another thing I don't like is front runners. All in all, I'm just frigging unlucky! Should give up in all reality! It's my one and only vice nowadays. Other than Stoke I have no other interests, only moaning. I take after my dad for that. He could moan for England!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2019 14:05:04 GMT
That's fair enough, Coop, but why does Jamie Spencer ride virtually EVERY horse like that? Looks great when he wins, but surely some horses he rides need to be more handy? I avoid him like the plague! 😁 Does Jamie Spencer choose to ride most of his horses out the back, or do trainers/owners who have hold-up horses give Jamie Spencer the leg-up? Probably mostly the latter(I had considered it! 😁). Talking of jockeys, I think the female jockeys seem to place their horses well? Hayley Turner is very good, for example. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2019 14:10:50 GMT
Irrespective of whether it's at the front, the race was over two miles, and considering it was the favourite, he gave it far too much to do. I know they're not machines, but that was ridiculous! Like is said,it was flying at the end, plus I don't study the form from the past that much! It will be interesting to see how it runs next time out though. Tom Marquand, who rode it is an up and coming jockey, who I have a lot of time for, but he gave it too much to do. Another thing I don't like is front runners. All in all, I'm just frigging unlucky! Should give up in all reality! It's my one and only vice nowadays. Other than Stoke I have no other interests, only moaning. I take after my dad for that. He could moan for England! Mate, I have lost thousands over the years. You'll never work it out, I think the few times you win fools you into thinking you've cracked it! 😁 I usually do better at the racecourse, oddly enough. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 20, 2019 14:28:02 GMT
Does Jamie Spencer choose to ride most of his horses out the back, or do trainers/owners who have hold-up horses give Jamie Spencer the leg-up? Probably mostly the latter(I had considered it! 😁). Talking of jockeys, I think the female jockeys seem to place their horses well? Hayley Turner is very good, for example. Always found Turner to be the exact opposite of Spencer, she can ride hold-up horses but I much prefer her on front runners as she's got a great clock in her head to know what fractions she needs to be setting. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 14:30:04 GMT
Taylor had another loser today in Ireland. F'ing favourite again. Considering how good he is supposed to be, he finds loser's when I decide to follow him. Frustrated as f--k! I'm giving it another week, and if no success that's it! Don't know how Tom Segal has gone on yet. Pricewise. Edit. Tom's first one down. Favourite again. Next to last!
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 20, 2019 16:01:09 GMT
Irrespective of whether it's at the front, the race was over two miles, and considering it was the favourite, he gave it far too much to do. I know they're not machines, but that was ridiculous! Like is said,it was flying at the end, plus I don't study the form from the past that much! It will be interesting to see how it runs next time out though. Tom Marquand, who rode it is an up and coming jockey, who I have a lot of time for, but he gave it too much to do. Another thing I don't like is front runners. All in all, I'm just frigging unlucky! Should give up in all reality! It's my one and only vice nowadays. Other than Stoke I have no other interests, only moaning. I take after my dad for that. He could moan for England! It was only favourite because of the money that came in for it. It was anywhere between 10-12/1 in the morning and Yamato was favourite. The Racing Post analysis of the race said he was only as close as he was because the apprentice on Yamato slowed him so much. Looking at the form Yamato would have been my pick. |
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 20, 2019 16:03:57 GMT
But that isn't the way it runs! If it had been at the front it would probably have been going backwards near the finish. They aren't machines and it's record speaks for itself. That's fair enough, Coop, but why does Jamie Spencer ride virtually EVERY horse like that? Looks great when he wins, but surely some horses he rides need to be more handy? I avoid him like the plague! 😁 Spencer does my head in as well. As does Ryan Moore! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 16:09:46 GMT
Three loser's for Pricewise. This week could be the end for me! I don't like Ryan Moore either. Miserable get! I'll tell you what though, these tipsters have been shocking this week!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2019 16:32:27 GMT
Three loser's for Pricewise. This week could be the end for me! I don't like Ryan Moore either. Miserable get! I'll tell you what though, these tipsters have been shocking this week! I feel your pain, mate. |
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2019 19:15:34 GMT
Fair play, but if you'd have seen it, it would have won easily if he had got it up with the front runners. It was actually flying at the finish. Had a small amount on Taylor's tip today, and a small amount on Pricewise's tips. Hoping for better luck! P.S. Do you have much luck with them, Henry? As a rule mate i tend to finish in front each jump season (don't really bet on the flat). It's become a lot harder though to consistantly win. 2 bookmakers i used to use restricted me to less than 2 quid. My strategy tends to be finding horses the day before that are vastly overpriced in the early evening betting but have IMO a reasonable chance of winning, i don't really bet many that are not in double figures. I'm 48 now and can honestly say iv'e been betting on NH since i was 16 so it's been a very long learning curve. The one thing i do know, if you put in the effort to study form you are a gonner. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 20, 2019 19:50:17 GMT
I used to stay well clear of Kieran Fellon if he was riding a red hot fav.
Hasn't he received death threats if he ever sets foot in Hong Kong?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 19:50:32 GMT
I go back as far as Scobie Breasley, Lester Piggott, Eddie Hide, Bill Williamson, etc;. As a lad, Stan Clayton was my favourite on the flat anyway. I used to have a fascination for Sir William Pigott Brown over the jumps, and started having a few bob on him. Got into things like Timeform 50 to follow, and had the odd reasonable success. When an apprentice, I had an old Raleigh Rodeo bike that I used to get to work on. One particular week, the chain on the bike was playing up, and it was a toss up whether to have a bet or get a new chain. In those days I used to do a 3p yankee bet. Needless to say I bought the chain, while picking four horses for the yankee. Three winners later, I was sick as the proverbial pig.100 to 6 winner, 6 to one winner, and a 12 to one winner. One of them was a horse called Majority Blue. As an apprentice that would, at the time, have been a big win for me. Basically the story of my horse racing, gambling life! The chain cost me 12 shillings and sixpence in old money, if my memory serves me correct. Another one of my stories, is that I was going to have five p on Foinavon when it won the National, until I told my dad, to which he said, waste of money lad. As we all know it won at 100/1.
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Post by Northy on Oct 21, 2019 12:42:45 GMT
Of course its fixed
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