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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 10, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
Just watching the bbc news they highlighted the increase in obesity of ten and eleven year olds
Then comes on the child health commissioner and says the public expect the government to do more
What can the government do ? Parents have over fed there children or badly fed them Parents have sat there children on gaming machines or the television rather than spend quality active time with their children
This is a case of bad parenting not bad government
And why should people have to pay more for a takeaway just because others are irresponsible
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Post by elystokie on Oct 10, 2019 17:30:58 GMT
Just watching the bbc news they highlighted the increase in obesity of ten and eleven year olds Then comes on the child health commissioner and says the public expect the government to do more What can the government do ? Parents have over fed there children or badly fed them Parents have sat there children on gaming machines or the television rather than spend quality active time with their children This is a case of bad parenting not bad government And why should people have to pay more for a takeaway just because others are irresponsible People pay more for their alcohol and cigarettes because some are irresponsible, someone who drinks but never has a takeaway (thin on the ground admittedly ) would argue that if takeaways are burdening the health system like alcohol is for example then they should be taxed accordingly.
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Post by duckling on Oct 10, 2019 17:36:35 GMT
In the United States, to combat growing childhood obesity, some state/local governments have mandated healthier school lunches. Obesity tends to be more common among poorer people in the United States, and children from low income families get their school lunch for a discount or free.
It hasn't been effective though. Feeding them less for lunch is useless because they just gorge on junk food at other times.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 10, 2019 18:56:17 GMT
I think the exploding weight machine idea, (suggested by a Texan, I believe), was unfairly pilloried.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 10, 2019 19:34:30 GMT
Lots of kids having rotten milk teeth extracted too
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 10, 2019 21:21:52 GMT
Drive past any McDonalds at 10.00 on a Sunday morning and you will soon realise whats causing this.
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Post by pearo on Oct 10, 2019 21:40:14 GMT
Drive past any McDonalds at 10.00 on a Sunday morning and you will soon realise whats causing this. Who gets up before noon on a Sunday?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 10, 2019 21:54:40 GMT
"Should the government-"
"No, fuck off."
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 11, 2019 13:18:54 GMT
It really pisses me off when people twice my weight (I'm 14 stone) and half my age sit next to me in the gym on their mobile phones..when they get in for free. Part of some 'health rehabilitation' package sanctioned by their Health Centre. And last week I found out that the most disruptive children are now being paid to attend school. Absolutely crazy. All we seem to do is reward bad behaviour. That's what inevitably happens when you remove punishment. People are motivated by either the stick or the carrot. Take away the stick and all you're left with is carrots.
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Post by Northy on Oct 11, 2019 16:37:10 GMT
Drive past any McDonalds at 10.00 on a Sunday morning and you will soon realise whats causing this. Who gets up before noon on a Sunday? Plenty of people
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Post by Northy on Oct 11, 2019 16:39:10 GMT
Im currently waiting to fly back from Amsterdam, we all know how much tgey cycle about, you don't see many fat fookers, if you do they tend to be British or tourists from elsewhere. It's not rocket science is it.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 11, 2019 17:44:09 GMT
It really pisses me off when people twice my weight (I'm 14 stone) and half my age sit next to me in the gym on their mobile phones..when they get in for free. Part of some 'health rehabilitation' package sanctioned by their Health Centre. And last week I found out that the most disruptive children are now being paid to attend school. Absolutely crazy. All we seem to do is reward bad behaviour. That's what inevitably happens when you remove punishment. People are motivated by either the stick or the carrot. Take away the stick and all you're left with is carrots. The most disruptive kids at by boys school receive practically one on one tuition and are heavily incentivised to behave
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 11, 2019 18:00:19 GMT
It really pisses me off when people twice my weight (I'm 14 stone) and half my age sit next to me in the gym on their mobile phones..when they get in for free. Part of some 'health rehabilitation' package sanctioned by their Health Centre. And last week I found out that the most disruptive children are now being paid to attend school. Absolutely crazy. All we seem to do is reward bad behaviour. That's what inevitably happens when you remove punishment. People are motivated by either the stick or the carrot. Take away the stick and all you're left with is carrots. The most disruptive kids at by boys school receive practically one on one tuition and are heavily incentivised to behave Exactly. Take away punishment for bad behaviour (you're not even allowed to say 'punishment' and 'bad behaviour' anymore) and all you're left with is rewards..either in the form of one-to-one attention, 'non-academic study' trips out etc etc These kids are learning that to get what you want in life you have to be as disruptive as possible. Is it any wonder that many of the most disruptive kids grow into the worst behaved adults? Our current education system not only reinforces this behaviour it actually (unintentionally) encourages it.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 11, 2019 18:22:44 GMT
The most disruptive kids at by boys school receive practically one on one tuition and are heavily incentivised to behave Exactly. Take away punishment for bad behaviour (you're not even allowed to say 'punishment' and 'bad behaviour' anymore) and all you're left with is rewards..either in the form of one-to-one attention, 'non-academic study' trips out etc etc These kids are learning that to get what you want in life you have to be as disruptive as possible. Is it any wonder that many of the most disruptive kids grow into the worst behaved adults? Our current education system not only reinforces this behaviour it actually (unintentionally) encourages it. The word naughty isn't allowed 😡
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Post by felonious on Oct 11, 2019 19:39:53 GMT
It really pisses me off when people twice my weight (I'm 14 stone) and half my age sit next to me in the gym on their mobile phones..when they get in for free. Part of some 'health rehabilitation' package sanctioned by their Health Centre. And last week I found out that the most disruptive children are now being paid to attend school. Absolutely crazy. All we seem to do is reward bad behaviour. That's what inevitably happens when you remove punishment. People are motivated by either the stick or the carrot. Take away the stick and all you're left with is carrots. I don't think these kids have ever seen a carrot.
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Post by felonious on Oct 11, 2019 19:44:01 GMT
Exactly. Take away punishment for bad behaviour (you're not even allowed to say 'punishment' and 'bad behaviour' anymore) and all you're left with is rewards..either in the form of one-to-one attention, 'non-academic study' trips out etc etc These kids are learning that to get what you want in life you have to be as disruptive as possible. Is it any wonder that many of the most disruptive kids grow into the worst behaved adults? Our current education system not only reinforces this behaviour it actually (unintentionally) encourages it. The word naughty isn't allowed 😡 What do they call the naughty step these days? My lad spent a fair amount of his last two years of junior school in the naughty cupboard
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 11, 2019 20:27:25 GMT
The word naughty isn't allowed 😡 What do they call the naughty step these days? My lad spent a fair amount of his last two years of junior school in the naughty cupboard He would now call child services and have them all arrested 😊
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Post by felonious on Oct 12, 2019 5:51:19 GMT
What do they call the naughty step these days? My lad spent a fair amount of his last two years of junior school in the naughty cupboard He would now call child services and have them all arrested 😊 Best teacher he ever had Harry and he knows it. They get on like a house on fire these days. Her son coached his football team between the ages of 14 and 16 and he didn't take any crap either
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Post by Goonie on Oct 13, 2019 8:05:09 GMT
In the 70's and 80's you couldn't drive down a side street without kids playing in the road getting out of the way. Rarely do you see kids doing this now
Parents have become far more 'safety' conscious with regards to road safety and the threat of murder and abduction by a stranger (which remains incredibly rare - you tend to know the attacker) so kids play out less
In the 70's and 80's food was very expensive compared to income so people ate less. Food has become far cheaper, kids play outdoor less (tv, youtube, games consoles, etc) yet with cheaper food we are eating as though we are highly active - most traditional foods are high calorie as we needed them then. Treats tend to be high carbohydrate so that is turned to fat by the body as when we were evolving carbs were uncommon: say honey, but probably highly prized particularly if lean times maybe ahead
So in short we eat way too many carbs and move too little
If the government really wants to encourage the end of childhood obesity they could:
1. Tax high carb foods and fast foods 2. The money spent funding Olympic athletes should be spent on building more leisure centres and play parks, expand the cycle paths to encourage everyone to drive less 3. Greater education regards to carbs - fats should never have been our enemy 4. Encourage a cultural shift like they have done with drink driving, smoking etc and encourage greater movement 5. More mental health support in school age children as many children may overeat as a coping mechanism or through neglect so parents should also be targeted - childhood obesity begins at home - yet this government through its austerity package closed many Sure Start centres which may have helped to improve the parenting in general
With poor parenting you have to try to change generations of bad habits and neglect - it will take decades to reverse but the longer we leave it the worse it will get
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 13, 2019 8:12:02 GMT
In the 70's and 80's you couldn't drive down a side street without kids playing in the road getting out of the way. Rarely do you see kids doing this now Parents have become far more 'safety' conscious with regards to road safety and the thread of murder and abduction by a stranger (which remains incredibly rare - you tend to know the attacker) so kids play out less In the 79' and 80's food was very expensive co.pared to income so people ate less. Food has become far cheaper, kids play outdoor less (tv, youtube, games consoles, etc) yet with cheaper food we are eating as though we are highly active - most traditional foods are high calorie as we needed them then. Treats tend to be high carbohydrate so that is turned to fat by the body as when we were evolving carbs were uncommon: say honey, but probably highly prized particularly if lean times maybe ahead So in short we eat way too many carbs and move too little If the gover6really wants to encourage the end of childhood obesity they could: 1. Tax high carb foods and fast foods 2. The money spent funding Olympic athletes should be spent on building more leisure centres and play parks 3. Greater education 4. Encourage a cultural shift like they have done with drink driving, smoking etc 5. More mental health support in school age children as many children may overeat as a coping mechanism or through neglect so parents should also be targeted - childhood obesity begins at home - yet this government through its austerity package closed many Sure Start centres With poor parenting you have to try to change generations of bad habits and neglect - it will take decades to reverse but the longer we leave it the worse it will get Kids play out less today because they're all on their PlayStation. So are there parents. The Lyme Valley Park in Castle spent a fortune putting shoulder presses, ab crunchers, chest presses in the park. No one uses them. Too busy playing FIFA Football Manager. 😉
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 14, 2019 12:03:44 GMT
Im currently waiting to fly back from Amsterdam, we all know how much tgey cycle about, you don't see many fat fookers, if you do they tend to be British or tourists from elsewhere. It's not rocket science is it. Just about to post something similar…..get off your fat arses (Mine is also slightly rotund but this is due to stopping smoking …… 14th day today )
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 14, 2019 14:28:59 GMT
I just find it funny that when there's an obesity story on the news they feel the need to zoom in on a bunch of fat people and show them waddling down the street, like we're daft enough to not know what a fat person looks like.
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Post by AlliG on Oct 14, 2019 15:34:27 GMT
In the 70's and 80's you couldn't drive down a side street without kids playing in the road getting out of the way. Rarely do you see kids doing this now Parents have become far more 'safety' conscious with regards to road safety and the thread of murder and abduction by a stranger (which remains incredibly rare - you tend to know the attacker) so kids play out less In the 79' and 80's food was very expensive co.pared to income so people ate less. Food has become far cheaper, kids play outdoor less (tv, youtube, games consoles, etc) yet with cheaper food we are eating as though we are highly active - most traditional foods are high calorie as we needed them then. Treats tend to be high carbohydrate so that is turned to fat by the body as when we were evolving carbs were uncommon: say honey, but probably highly prized particularly if lean times maybe ahead So in short we eat way too many carbs and move too little If the gover6really wants to encourage the end of childhood obesity they could: 1. Tax high carb foods and fast foods 2. The money spent funding Olympic athletes should be spent on building more leisure centres and play parks 3. Greater education 4. Encourage a cultural shift like they have done with drink driving, smoking etc 5. More mental health support in school age children as many children may overeat as a coping mechanism or through neglect so parents should also be targeted - childhood obesity begins at home - yet this government through its austerity package closed many Sure Start centres With poor parenting you have to try to change generations of bad habits and neglect - it will take decades to reverse but the longer we leave it the worse it will get Kids play out less today because they're all on their PlayStation. So are there parents. The Lyme Valley Park in Castle spent a fortune putting shoulder presses, ab crunchers, chest presses in the park. No one uses them. Too busy playing FIFA Football Manager. 😉 For the 1967 Cup Final I was allowed to go 5 streets to my mate's house in Dresden where we watched the game and then went out and replayed the final in the street. It was Saturday tea time and there were hardly any cars parked and we probably only had to move out of the way 2 or 3 times for cars. Even when cars did come they were generally travelled fairly slowly. At the same age (8) I was also allowed to go up to Longton Park to meet my friends and play football or tennis. As long as I was home by tea time no one bothered. When my sons were that age there was no way I would have allowed them to go out and play in the street. There were far too many parked cars that could be damaged and even on a housing estate too many drivers who would put their foot down with no thought for children or other pedestrians. I would never have dared to allow them to walk across the village to the play area on their own. Fortunately being mean and stingy I never succumbed to buying chocolates or sweets when I took them to the supermarket and trips to KFC were strictly birthday treats and therefore some unknown reason neither have a weight problem.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 14, 2019 15:43:04 GMT
In the 70's and 80's you couldn't drive down a side street without kids playing in the road getting out of the way. Rarely do you see kids doing this now Parents have become far more 'safety' conscious with regards to road safety and the thread of murder and abduction by a stranger (which remains incredibly rare - you tend to know the attacker) so kids play out less In the 79' and 80's food was very expensive co.pared to income so people ate less. Food has become far cheaper, kids play outdoor less (tv, youtube, games consoles, etc) yet with cheaper food we are eating as though we are highly active - most traditional foods are high calorie as we needed them then. Treats tend to be high carbohydrate so that is turned to fat by the body as when we were evolving carbs were uncommon: say honey, but probably highly prized particularly if lean times maybe ahead So in short we eat way too many carbs and move too little If the gover6really wants to encourage the end of childhood obesity they could: 1. Tax high carb foods and fast foods 2. The money spent funding Olympic athletes should be spent on building more leisure centres and play parks 3. Greater education 4. Encourage a cultural shift like they have done with drink driving, smoking etc 5. More mental health support in school age children as many children may overeat as a coping mechanism or through neglect so parents should also be targeted - childhood obesity begins at home - yet this government through its austerity package closed many Sure Start centres With poor parenting you have to try to change generations of bad habits and neglect - it will take decades to reverse but the longer we leave it the worse it will get Kids play out less today because they're all on their PlayStation. So are there parents. The Lyme Valley Park in Castle spent a fortune putting shoulder presses, ab crunchers, chest presses in the park. No one uses them. Too busy playing FIFA Football Manager. 😉 That Lyme Valley Park is a lovely little spot, I've walked along there a few times, they've done a cracking job. To be fair I've seen the equipment being used a couple of times by kids and adults, I do agree that they deserve more use tho. One thing that was a little bit disappointing was the gang of blokes gathered down by Morrisons drinking booze, it genuinely doesn't bother me, I had a bit of a laugh with them and carried on, my sister that was with me wasn't comfortable tho and if she was on her own she'd have avoided them and took a different route. They have to be somewhere, we all do, they weren't doing anybody any harm and they weren't after money, what the answer is I don't know.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 14, 2019 16:03:34 GMT
Kids play out less today because they're all on their PlayStation. So are there parents. The Lyme Valley Park in Castle spent a fortune putting shoulder presses, ab crunchers, chest presses in the park. No one uses them. Too busy playing FIFA Football Manager. 😉 That Lyme Valley Park is a lovely little spot, I've walked along there a few times, they've done a cracking job. To be fair I've seen the equipment being used a couple of times by kids and adults, I do agree that they deserve more use tho. One thing that was a little bit disappointing was the gang of blokes gathered down by Morrisons drinking booze, it genuinely doesn't bother me, I had a bit of a laugh with them and carried on, my sister that was with me wasn't comfortable tho and if she was on her own she'd have avoided them and took a different route. They have to be somewhere, we all do, they weren't doing anybody any harm and they weren't after money, what the answer is I don't know. I'm glad someone uses those machines..I thought I was the only one There are a group of blokes and sometimes a woman who wander around between Morrisons various subways and the Lyme Valley..(Home base end) They're harmless enough if you say "A up" and talk to them. Great Bonfire display too on Sunday (20 October)..only a couple of quid to get in..I go every year.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 14, 2019 16:09:36 GMT
That Lyme Valley Park is a lovely little spot, I've walked along there a few times, they've done a cracking job. To be fair I've seen the equipment being used a couple of times by kids and adults, I do agree that they deserve more use tho. One thing that was a little bit disappointing was the gang of blokes gathered down by Morrisons drinking booze, it genuinely doesn't bother me, I had a bit of a laugh with them and carried on, my sister that was with me wasn't comfortable tho and if she was on her own she'd have avoided them and took a different route. They have to be somewhere, we all do, they weren't doing anybody any harm and they weren't after money, what the answer is I don't know. I'm glad someone uses those machines..I thought I was the only one There are a group of blokes and sometimes a woman who wander around between Morrisons various subways and the Lyme Valley..(Home base end) They're harmless enough if you say "A up" and talk to them. Great Bonfire display too on Sunday (20 October)..only a couple of quid to get in..I go every year. I'll bear* it in mind, cheers Went to the circus thing they did down there, last year I think, my kids weren't interested in most of the stuff but they smiled and went along with it for their daft old man *I can never remember if it's bear or bare, always have to look it up, bloody stupid language!! Edit - that's probably the group, I wasn't bothered but my sister, when she first saw them, wanted to go a different way, when we were passing them they were very friendly, she didn't think they would be, that's stereotyping for you I suppose.
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Post by henry on Oct 14, 2019 16:46:01 GMT
How come all these kids are so fat when (supposedly) half the population are living in poverty.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 14, 2019 17:29:52 GMT
I just find it funny that when there's an obesity story on the news they feel the need to zoom in on a bunch of fat people and show them waddling down the street, like we're daft enough to not know what a fat person looks like. It's like a sketch from The Day Today, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 23:16:28 GMT
In the 70's and 80's you couldn't drive down a side street without kids playing in the road getting out of the way. Rarely do you see kids doing this now Parents have become far more 'safety' conscious with regards to road safety and the threat of murder and abduction by a stranger (which remains incredibly rare - you tend to know the attacker) so kids play out less In the 70's and 80's food was very expensive compared to income so people ate less. Food has become far cheaper, kids play outdoor less (tv, youtube, games consoles, etc) yet with cheaper food we are eating as though we are highly active - most traditional foods are high calorie as we needed them then. Treats tend to be high carbohydrate so that is turned to fat by the body as when we were evolving carbs were uncommon: say honey, but probably highly prized particularly if lean times maybe ahead So in short we eat way too many carbs and move too little If the government really wants to encourage the end of childhood obesity they could: 1. Tax high carb foods and fast foods 2. The money spent funding Olympic athletes should be spent on building more leisure centres and play parks, expand the cycle paths to encourage everyone to drive less 3. Greater education regards to carbs - fats should never have been our enemy 4. Encourage a cultural shift like they have done with drink driving, smoking etc and encourage greater movement 5. More mental health support in school age children as many children may overeat as a coping mechanism or through neglect so parents should also be targeted - childhood obesity begins at home - yet this government through its austerity package closed many Sure Start centres which may have helped to improve the parenting in general With poor parenting you have to try to change generations of bad habits and neglect - it will take decades to reverse but the longer we leave it the worse it will get Spot on. Great post
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 9:05:12 GMT
Cut out the shit junk food at schools and thus change the kids eating habits.
Overall though, it's down to the parents.
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