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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 10, 2019 20:19:03 GMT
Anti Trumper? Trump is a cunt of the highest order, he makes Mike Ashley look a saint. It's not a game where you pick teams. I voted Brexit but i don't go around attacking people who voted remain. I take people for how they are and how they treat people and Trump fails on every level. What do you expect to happen now Trump has left thousands of people to be slaughtered? My guess is that it will lead to another wave of terror attacks in the future. Trump thinks ISIS and the kurdish refugees will just move to europe and stay there and the US is safe. He's deluded, if they want to get to the US they will and then kill more innocent people just because he couldn't be bothered to see the job out. He could have handled this so much better and could have tried to negotiate a peaceful transition. If the Kurds declined then American soldiers could have left without it looking like the Kurds have been royally fucked over and his administration wouldn't look such dicks on the world stage. There might have been only 50 American soldiers, probably many more but the Kurds helped keep them alive too and Trump has just left the Kurds die without a care in the world. It's easy to let people die when your safe at home sitting on you billions of pounds, not to forget it was his call. He avoided national service by paying a doctor to fake his bone fractures he doesn't give a shit about American soldiers, they are just pawns in his game. I don't know how the cunt sleeps at night. He would have done a good job getting his soldiers back by seeing through the wars they were already involved in and not starting any new ones. Hang on, hang on. As things stand right now the scumbags known as ISIS have been defeated & the Kurds are fine. Why are the Kurds suddenly going to die? If you mean it's because Turkey are going to invade Syria & start killing them, shouldn't the finger be pointed at Turkey for invading a country & killing people? Correct the blame does lie with the Turks yes they are invading and killing the Kurds But it is America that has enabled it And the impotent Eu that is condoning it because there shit scared of the Turks releasing 3 million Syrian refugees on them |
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 10, 2019 20:43:48 GMT
Anti Trumper? Trump is a cunt of the highest order, he makes Mike Ashley look a saint. It's not a game where you pick teams. I voted Brexit but i don't go around attacking people who voted remain. I take people for how they are and how they treat people and Trump fails on every level. What do you expect to happen now Trump has left thousands of people to be slaughtered? My guess is that it will lead to another wave of terror attacks in the future. Trump thinks ISIS and the kurdish refugees will just move to europe and stay there and the US is safe. He's deluded, if they want to get to the US they will and then kill more innocent people just because he couldn't be bothered to see the job out. He could have handled this so much better and could have tried to negotiate a peaceful transition. If the Kurds declined then American soldiers could have left without it looking like the Kurds have been royally fucked over and his administration wouldn't look such dicks on the world stage. There might have been only 50 American soldiers, probably many more but the Kurds helped keep them alive too and Trump has just left the Kurds die without a care in the world. It's easy to let people die when your safe at home sitting on you billions of pounds, not to forget it was his call. He avoided national service by paying a doctor to fake his bone fractures he doesn't give a shit about American soldiers, they are just pawns in his game. I don't know how the cunt sleeps at night. He would have done a good job getting his soldiers back by seeing through the wars they were already involved in and not starting any new ones. Hang on, hang on. As things stand right now the scumbags known as ISIS have been defeated & the Kurds are fine. Why are the Kurds suddenly going to die? If you mean it's because Turkey are going to invade Syria & start killing them, shouldn't the finger be pointed at Turkey for invading a country & killing people? Trump knew what would happen if he pulled his troops out, it was common knowledge Turkey were ready to go in as soon as America removed it's soldiers, he could have prevented Turkey going in by keeping soldiers there. He could have taken measures to keep the Kurds safe but he took the fuck em option without taking any advice. There are thousands of ISIS soldiers captured and held by the Kurds and if they are released then it will be back to square one. Trump won't get involved now because of next years elections. This was preventable, nobody is saying Turkey are not at fault but Trump had a choice. |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 11, 2019 5:46:59 GMT
Could you just define the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist please.As in the IRA and the PKK. Cheers. A very hard question to answer I would suggest a freedom fighter challenges the military and infrastructure of a country and would not indiscriminately murder innocent civilians they are trying to liberate A terrorist are not necessarily fighting for freedom they are fighting for control And are not remotely bothered about who or what that damaged in the process For example the Ira cease to be freedom fighters when they indiscriminately bombed pubs shopping centres ect they don’t want a United ireland they want a United ireland under the control of there left wing agenda History says that the vast majority of revolutions have been violent and when the non violent methods fail violence is the only answer. Terrorist or freedom fighter seems to depend on your countries own political beliefs.In my opinion the IRA were freedom fighters but they were also terrorists.The Irish nationalists only armed themselves after years of peaceful protests failed and in response to the formation of the armed UVF. It was the British supporting protestants who fired the first shots so to say and then there was the Easter rising and the rest is history.. |
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Post by foster on Oct 11, 2019 7:49:25 GMT
Personally I think Trump knew this happen all along. He gave his usual showman threats but look at how quickly Turkey have managed to get in there. It's almost as if it was planned.
On the other hand, Turkey have a long history with the kurds and they did take in a hell of a lot of refugees. I can see the sense in them creating a buffer zone as their country is on the front line against IS. Those refugees also need somewhere to go and as no one else is willing to take them then it doesn't really leave the Turks with many options.
Of course all of this could have been done amicably if people were sensible.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 11, 2019 10:52:05 GMT
Personally I think Trump knew this happen all along. He gave his usual showman threats but look at how quickly Turkey have managed to get in there. It's almost as if it was planned. On the other hand, Turkey have a long history with the kurds and they did take in a hell of a lot of refugees. I can see the sense in them creating a buffer zone as their country is on the front line against IS. Those refugees also need somewhere to go and as no one else is willing to take them then it doesn't really leave the Turks with many options. Of course all of this could have been done amicably if people were sensible. I can see a reason for a buffer zone But if turkey wants one they should have it within there own boarders and not in another country This is nothing more than a genocidal land grab |
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Post by foster on Oct 11, 2019 12:10:49 GMT
Personally I think Trump knew this happen all along. He gave his usual showman threats but look at how quickly Turkey have managed to get in there. It's almost as if it was planned. On the other hand, Turkey have a long history with the kurds and they did take in a hell of a lot of refugees. I can see the sense in them creating a buffer zone as their country is on the front line against IS. Those refugees also need somewhere to go and as no one else is willing to take them then it doesn't really leave the Turks with many options. Of course all of this could have been done amicably if people were sensible. I can see a reason for a buffer zone But if turkey wants one they should have it within there own boarders and not in another country This is nothing more than a genocidal land grab I can see the argument there but then why should they have to displace their own people just to create a zone that's needed through no fault of their own? If suddenly 3 million refugees entered the south coast would we be expected to create a buffer zone along it? Whilst also housing and paying for all the refugees for an indefinite period. The reasoning that they will use this zone to create a home for the Syrian refugees from Syria also makes sense. If their stated intentions are true and they do house them in that zone, whilst also giving themselves the border protection they need to stop terrorists entering their country then it's not such a bad idea. Their border is also a frontline to getting into Europe. Of course, this all comes down to what they do with the land once they have it. It may turn out to be a landgrab as you, such as what Israel continue to do or like India are doing with Kashmire. I'm just trying to put myself in their situation. They have refugees (and terrorists) freely pouring into their country and living off their resources. They also have regular attacks from the PKK. They have nowhere to send these people to and no one is willing to accommodate them. Aside from kicking them all back over the boarder into a war zone or letting them walk into Europe this is probably one of the most logical alternatives. It would be better if such a zone could be decided and agreed upon, but unfortunately that's never going to happen with all these different factions. I actually think the Americans could have mediated something like this, but since they have nothing to gain from it then it's no surprise that they've upped and left everyone else in the shit. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 11, 2019 21:08:47 GMT
Why is the main BBC report about a baby being killed in Turkey, sad as it is, when there's untold deaths the Turks have caused in Syria and the movement of 100,000's people?  US sending 1800 troop to Saudi!  |
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Post by scottzbj on Oct 12, 2019 6:43:41 GMT
Maybe he's more concerned with the ongoing profitability of Trump Towers (two of them) in Istanbul. Don't think he has any real estate interest in Northern Syria.
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