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Post by murphthesurf on Oct 9, 2019 13:04:37 GMT
Thx for that, Dees, and this is precisely why I asked. I've tried to persuade Mr Surf to get one but he won't, which I think is a mistake as these days there are more maniacs driving than ever before and you permanently need to be looking after #1. Re. this bit, yes, EXACTLY. As I said, Dees, your experience and ours was exactly why I raised the subject and I was wondering if many of our folks on the Oatie had experienced the same thing. I think I'll ask Mr S again about getting one. Yes murph, there are some really unscrupulous so and so's about. I'd thoroughly recommend getting a dashcam - the cost of the repairs to my wife's car was somewhere around £800-1000 which we fortunately proved wasn't our fault with the dashcam footage. Yep. No arguing with that. I think I'll just get him one. Do you mind me asking if there's a particular make/model of camera you'd recommend, Dees? Anyone else please also feel free to chip in on this. Thx, folks.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 9, 2019 13:23:10 GMT
Yes murph, there are some really unscrupulous so and so's about. I'd thoroughly recommend getting a dashcam - the cost of the repairs to my wife's car was somewhere around £800-1000 which we fortunately proved wasn't our fault with the dashcam footage. Yep. No arguing with that. I think I'll just get him one. Do you mind me asking if there's a particular make/model of camera you'd recommend, Dees? Anyone else please also feel free to chip in on this. Thx, folks. Got a Nextbase version myself not pricey easy to use and set-up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 13:58:44 GMT
Yep. No arguing with that. I think I'll just get him one. Do you mind me asking if there's a particular make/model of camera you'd recommend, Dees? Anyone else please also feel free to chip in on this. Thx, folks. Got a Nextbase version myself not pricey easy to use and set-up. Yes, we've got a Nextbase 112 - simple to set up - 720 pixels high definition - 2 inch LCD colour screen. Simple but effective.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 9, 2019 16:28:36 GMT
Got a Nextbase version myself not pricey easy to use and set-up. Yes, we've got a Nextbase 112 - simple to set up - 720 pixels high definition - 2 inch LCD colour screen. Simple but effective. I went for 312 which in the case of a bump you set to send footage directly to your phone (so i believe but i am a old bugger)
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 9, 2019 22:00:27 GMT
Yes, we've got a Nextbase 112 - simple to set up - 720 pixels high definition - 2 inch LCD colour screen. Simple but effective. I went for 312 which in the case of a bump you set to send footage directly to your phone (so i believe but i am a old bugger) Ditto with the Nextbase 312. Decent quality all round, I got the garage to hard wire it into the car, nice neat and tidy job and it sits discreetly out of sight up with the rear view mirror.
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Dashcams
Oct 9, 2019 22:59:50 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 9, 2019 22:59:50 GMT
I got caught on a dashcam in an admittedly careless but minor incident recently since I passed my test. Was in two minds about whether I could overtake a cyclist before a left turn. Thought I had the time but misjudged and while I didn't hit him I cut him up a bit. I hold my hands up but no harm done, or so I thought. Reported to police and letter of intended prosecution through over the next two weeks with dashcam footage. While it doesn't excuse me, I did have P plates on so thought they would use a bit of common sense. Nobody should act as police, only the police. Nobody should drive like idiots only idiots, i am a cyclist and what you did is not uncommon and you should be prosecuted is P plate for pillock? I would plead guilty if prosecuted. I hold my hands up to careless driving, put it down to inexperience and a bit of naivety. Certainly wouldn't have hit him, but just thought I had enough room to pass with pressure from cars behind.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 9, 2019 23:07:15 GMT
I agree to a point but on P plates surely if in any doubt (two minds) you err on the side of caution, i ride a cycle and have had this happen to me a few times (never been hit but had to brake hard)so perhaps prosecution is the way to get the message across? May seem harsh but i respect cyclists and give them the space they require which is not hard to do. Maybe a cyclist awareness course as there will be plenty of drivers who need one? Yes, easier said than done in the moment and with little experience. I've learned from that immediately and started taking such defensive action since, appreciate there are some mistakes you can't learn from, but fortunately no harm was done and I do apologise if I caused him any distress. It's not so much the cyclists that are the problem but the stream of cars behind which can feel pressuring as a new driver. Anyway, I accept any punishment, hopefully won't lose my license and it'll just be 3 points and a fine. It has certainly weighed heavily on my mind for the past month or so, and still to hear back.
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Oct 9, 2019 23:54:23 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 9, 2019 23:54:23 GMT
I agree to a point but on P plates surely if in any doubt (two minds) you err on the side of caution, i ride a cycle and have had this happen to me a few times (never been hit but had to brake hard)so perhaps prosecution is the way to get the message across? May seem harsh but i respect cyclists and give them the space they require which is not hard to do. Maybe a cyclist awareness course as there will be plenty of drivers who need one? Yes, easier said than done in the moment and with little experience. I've learned from that immediately and started taking such defensive action since, appreciate there are some mistakes you can't learn from, but fortunately no harm was done and I do apologise if I caused him any distress. It's not so much the cyclists that are the problem but the stream of cars behind which can feel pressuring as a new driver. Anyway, I accept any punishment, hopefully won't lose my license and it'll just be 3 points and a fine. It has certainly weighed heavily on my mind for the past month or so, and still to hear back. You shouldn't lose your license for it. In fact you'd probably get offered a go on the drivers awareness course. Also check the date you received the notice. The notice of prosecution has to be served within 14 days from the day of the incident. You might be in luck if it wasn't, always double check in case though.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 10, 2019 2:44:07 GMT
Mine is nextbase too, £99, can download footage to phone too much better than cheapo one I bought off the net, not had this one fixed in though, cables etc as sold last car & left camera in with it, can keep this one should I decide swap motors in next ten years or so 🙄
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Post by thequietman on Oct 10, 2019 11:22:31 GMT
Of course, Murph. After all, m'lady never does the driving, you've got a chauffeur to do that. Helmet cams? Just what films have you been watching? Goodness me ...
Tsk, tsk. Come off it, Snow White. You know very well that Dees and I both wore headcams for both lots of Chuff's knee replacement surgery! That's why all the YouTube footage of it is so good. Yes, I do have a chauffeur, but Crispin drives me about when Parker's got an afternoon off and I don't fancy getting the Ferrari out. Fair enough Murph.
Re dashcams, I don't have one but I've no problem with them. If someone's driven like a tool & been caught on film doing it, well they shouldn't have driven like a tool.
As for police prosecuting on minor incidents, it might be legal but it's rather despicable. Clear evidence is fair enough, but how much of it is just using it as an easy way to fill their coffers thanks to fines ? (Says the man who got done for speeding by a cop car hiding behind a clump of trees ... I was admittedly guilty but not best pleased when the same week plod refused to turn up to investigate a break-in at our house).
I'm aware of you and Dees supporting Chuffed in his hours of need and the great lengths you went to to see the op. It looks like I'll be going in to have kidney stones removed surgically. Flowers, chocolate, copious amounts of sympathy etc. will be welcome. But given the surgical procedure involved, there is absolutely no way you two will be allowed anywhere the operating theatre. Helmet cam indeed.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 10, 2019 15:23:11 GMT
I agree to a point but on P plates surely if in any doubt (two minds) you err on the side of caution, i ride a cycle and have had this happen to me a few times (never been hit but had to brake hard)so perhaps prosecution is the way to get the message across? May seem harsh but i respect cyclists and give them the space they require which is not hard to do. Maybe a cyclist awareness course as there will be plenty of drivers who need one? Yes, easier said than done in the moment and with little experience. I've learned from that immediately and started taking such defensive action since, appreciate there are some mistakes you can't learn from, but fortunately no harm was done and I do apologise if I caused him any distress. It's not so much the cyclists that are the problem but the stream of cars behind which can feel pressuring as a new driver. Anyway, I accept any punishment, hopefully won't lose my license and it'll just be 3 points and a fine. It has certainly weighed heavily on my mind for the past month or so, and still to hear back. I do understand your position and your position as a newly qualified driver but as both a driver and cyclist find it amazing how little respect some drivers afford cyclists,do you know the minimum distance you must give when passing a cyclist? The penalty for not complying can be 3 points but a loot of drivers seem to think if i can get past all is fair.
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Post by yeokel on Oct 10, 2019 15:35:05 GMT
Yes, easier said than done in the moment and with little experience. I've learned from that immediately and started taking such defensive action since, appreciate there are some mistakes you can't learn from, but fortunately no harm was done and I do apologise if I caused him any distress. It's not so much the cyclists that are the problem but the stream of cars behind which can feel pressuring as a new driver. Anyway, I accept any punishment, hopefully won't lose my license and it'll just be 3 points and a fine. It has certainly weighed heavily on my mind for the past month or so, and still to hear back. I do understand your position and your position as a newly qualified driver but as both a driver and cyclist find it amazing how little respect some drivers afford cyclists,do you know the minimum distance you must give when passing a cyclist? The penalty for not complying can be 3 points but a loot of drivers seem to think if i can get past all is fair. " ......how little respect some drivers afford cyclists" Pots calling kettles black isn't a strong enough a retort for this crap.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 10, 2019 16:22:53 GMT
I am both motorist and cyclist and i will spell it out for you numpty,how many motorists are killed by cyclists?
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Post by zerps on Oct 10, 2019 16:46:19 GMT
I’ve tried to run a few vehicles off the road and it’s always worrying when they point at their dashcam afterwards.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 11, 2019 11:56:57 GMT
I'm in two minds about dash cams. I like Portugal's stance who just outright banned even ownership of them. The state of driving in the UK is much worse than it was even a couple of years ago. The amount of idiots who speed up to drive head-on against the traffic to pass a parked car when it's not their right of way is ridiculous (often only needing to wait for one or two cars anyway). I wonder how many of them have dash cams, and how many would provide the footage if they caused an accident. I would plead guilty if prosecuted. I hold my hands up to careless driving, put it down to inexperience and a bit of naivety. Certainly wouldn't have hit him, but just thought I had enough room to pass with pressure from cars behind. Something my driving instructor told me was "not to drive via the rear view mirror" or something like that. You shouldn't feel pressure from cars behind. Not that tailgating idiots don't stress me out, especially on the motorway a couple of weeks ago when the rain was so heavy I was aquaplaning at 55mph - doing near that speed in the fast lane BUT overtaking, with some right moron on my tail. But anyway, I get your point about being a new driver. As a regular cyclist, I sometimes find drivers are TOO polite with cyclists (like waiting about 10 years so I feel I have to pedal harder), but that's better than the opposite. Yes, easier said than done in the moment and with little experience. I've learned from that immediately and started taking such defensive action since, appreciate there are some mistakes you can't learn from, but fortunately no harm was done and I do apologise if I caused him any distress. It's not so much the cyclists that are the problem but the stream of cars behind which can feel pressuring as a new driver. Anyway, I accept any punishment, hopefully won't lose my license and it'll just be 3 points and a fine. It has certainly weighed heavily on my mind for the past month or so, and still to hear back. I do understand your position and your position as a newly qualified driver but as both a driver and cyclist find it amazing how little respect some drivers afford cyclists,do you know the minimum distance you must give when passing a cyclist? The penalty for not complying can be 3 points but a loot of drivers seem to think if i can get past all is fair. I've been honked/shouted at for leaving a gap between parked cars when cycling, 'preventing' cars behind from overtaking. Most drivers don't realise cyclists are supposed to leave a door's width when overtaking parked cars. I've been hit by an opening car door. It hurt. I think all drivers should do a cycling awareness course, whether they want to cycle or not. I was lucky enough to do one at school, which helped both my cycling and driving.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 11, 2019 12:17:50 GMT
I'm in two minds about dash cams. I like Portugal's stance who just outright banned even ownership of them. The state of driving in the UK is much worse than it was even a couple of years ago. The amount of idiots who speed up to drive head-on against the traffic to pass a parked car when it's not their right of way is ridiculous (often only needing to wait for one or two cars anyway). I wonder how many of them have dash cams, and how many would provide the footage if they caused an accident. I would plead guilty if prosecuted. I hold my hands up to careless driving, put it down to inexperience and a bit of naivety. Certainly wouldn't have hit him, but just thought I had enough room to pass with pressure from cars behind. Something my driving instructor told me was "not to drive via the rear view mirror" or something like that. You shouldn't feel pressure from cars behind. Not that tailgating idiots don't stress me out, especially on the motorway a couple of weeks ago when the rain was so heavy I was aquaplaning at 55mph - doing near that speed in the fast lane BUT overtaking, with some right moron on my tail. But anyway, I get your point about being a new driver. As a regular cyclist, I sometimes find drivers are TOO polite with cyclists (like waiting about 10 years so I feel I have to pedal harder), but that's better than the opposite. I do understand your position and your position as a newly qualified driver but as both a driver and cyclist find it amazing how little respect some drivers afford cyclists,do you know the minimum distance you must give when passing a cyclist? The penalty for not complying can be 3 points but a loot of drivers seem to think if i can get past all is fair. I've been honked/shouted at for leaving a gap between parked cars when cycling, 'preventing' cars behind from overtaking. Most drivers don't realise cyclists are supposed to leave a door's width when overtaking parked cars. I've been hit by an opening car door. It hurt. I think all drivers should do a cycling awareness course, whether they want to cycle or not. I was lucky enough to do one at school, which helped both my cycling and driving. I agree with you on all points (apart from dashcams) in the highway code it states drivers must give 1.5 METRES !!! under 30 m.p.h. and 2 metres above 30 m.p.h. and recommend cyclists ride at least 1 metre from the kerb so that in reality means on most roads crossing the white line for a car to overtake. I will if holding cars up and the chance arises move over (into a layby etc.)or pull into the kerb and stop.
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Post by murphthesurf on Oct 11, 2019 20:43:37 GMT
I went for 312 which in the case of a bump you set to send footage directly to your phone (so i believe but i am a old bugger) Ditto with the Nextbase 312. Decent quality all round, I got the garage to hard wire it into the car, nice neat and tidy job and it sits discreetly out of sight up with the rear view mirror. Right, then, it looks as though Crispy will be finding one of these little dooberry-firkins arriving soon, then. Won't he be surprised! Thanks for all the expert advice, everyone, much appreciated.
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