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Post by Davef on Oct 6, 2019 18:58:30 GMT
Well what's reaching the cup final and playing in Europe got to do with yesterday result? Jones celebrated like he'd just won a cup, something inbetween his reaction and paul hart's would have been more suitable Fancy criticising a manager for how he celebrates a victory.
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Post by samba :) on Oct 6, 2019 19:18:10 GMT
Jones celebrated like he'd just won a cup, something inbetween his reaction and paul hart's would have been more suitable Fancy criticising a manager for how he celebrates a victory. Fancy criticising how an assistant manager celebrates a victory
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 6, 2019 19:32:28 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. It was NOT a negative post, sorry!! It was more inquisitive on a visual observation. I certainly don’t expect Hart to jump up and down, punch the air etc. However I would have expected a smile or facial expression of “thank goodness for that”. Even a handshake with the backroom staff may have been appropriate. Perhaps I’m wrong in assuming there would have been an element of satisfaction over the result and performance.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 6, 2019 19:38:47 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. Hmm, I'm not sure it warrants it's own thread if I'm honest but if the OP does then fair enough. The cynical side of me is tempted to think that during what should be a time of unbridled joy some feel the need to find issues and bring the general mood down because it suits their own agenda to do so. Think I'll go and watch the highlights yet again, it's been enough games since I've wanted to Can I suggest you read my response to Mr Coke. If convenient you may wish to reconsider your comments
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 6, 2019 19:48:54 GMT
Maybe he quietly took himself to the dressing room and had an almighty wank in the toilets? I know I did.
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Post by rawli on Oct 6, 2019 19:49:10 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. It's 2019. You're giving examples from over 50 years ago. Do you want our manager to act like Alf Ramsey put on a posh accent even though he was a working class kid from Dagenham?
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Post by rawli on Oct 6, 2019 19:50:07 GMT
Maybe he quietly took himself to the dressing room and had an almighty wank in the toilets? I know I did. How did you get into the dressing room?
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Post by Goonie on Oct 6, 2019 19:51:30 GMT
Leave him alone,he's been in hospital,had a personality bypass 😉 At least the procedure was 100% successful 😎😁
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Post by elystokie on Oct 6, 2019 19:56:02 GMT
Hmm, I'm not sure it warrants it's own thread if I'm honest but if the OP does then fair enough. The cynical side of me is tempted to think that during what should be a time of unbridled joy some feel the need to find issues and bring the general mood down because it suits their own agenda to do so. Think I'll go and watch the highlights yet again, it's been enough games since I've wanted to Can I suggest you read my response to Mr Coke. If convenient you may wish to reconsider your comments I've read your response to Mr Coke, I can't see anything that would encourage me to reconsider my comments, particularly in light of your enthusiastic reaction, or rather lack thereof, to our glorious win. My apologies
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Post by Goonie on Oct 6, 2019 19:56:13 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. It's 2019. You're giving examples from over 50 years ago. Do you want our manager to act like Alf Ramsey put on a posh accent even though he was a working class kid from Dagenham? Rare Sir Alf interview, isnt it, cor!
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 6, 2019 20:00:43 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. First. Our greatest ever England team manager's name is Ramsey. Second. The only thing Jimmy Greaves would have a "mental" about is not getting a pint in the player's lounge after the match. 😊
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 6, 2019 20:03:48 GMT
Can I suggest you read my response to Mr Coke. If convenient you may wish to reconsider your comments I've read your response to Mr Coke, I can't see anything that would encourage me to reconsider my comments, particularly in light of your enthusiastic reaction, or rather lack thereof, to our glorious win. My apologies “own agenda”. Your words not mine. I’ll leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 20:05:58 GMT
I reckon Hart could drop a turd as big as one of Big Sam's.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 6, 2019 20:06:21 GMT
I've read your response to Mr Coke, I can't see anything that would encourage me to reconsider my comments, particularly in light of your enthusiastic reaction, or rather lack thereof, to our glorious win. My apologies “own agenda”. Your words not mine. I’ll leave it at that. I don't blame you
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Post by musik on Oct 6, 2019 20:16:08 GMT
People celebrate in different ways. Paul Hart seems to be a somewhat introvert person, and thereby extremely nice!
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Post by tosh on Oct 6, 2019 20:18:02 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. It was NOT a negative post, sorry!! It was more inquisitive on a visual observation. I certainly don’t expect Hart to jump up and down, punch the air etc. However I would have expected a smile or facial expression of “thank goodness for that”. Even a handshake with the backroom staff may have been appropriate. Perhaps I’m wrong in assuming there would have been an element of satisfaction over the result and performance. You make a fair point. I noticed when the final whistle went, Hart got up, and there was a cursory handshake with Jones without a glimmer of a smile, and he headed off. I thought it was strange and wondered if he knew they were out after this game. Judging by the manager’s subsequent interview, apparently not. So yes, it still seems strange behaviour after a last minute winner and a first win. Maybe they have fallen out??
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 6, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
It was NOT a negative post, sorry!! It was more inquisitive on a visual observation. I certainly don’t expect Hart to jump up and down, punch the air etc. However I would have expected a smile or facial expression of “thank goodness for that”. Even a handshake with the backroom staff may have been appropriate. Perhaps I’m wrong in assuming there would have been an element of satisfaction over the result and performance. You make a fair point. I noticed when the final whistle went, Hart got up, and there was a cursory handshake with Jones without a glimmer of a smile, and he headed off. I thought it was strange and wondered if he knew they were out after this game. Judging by the manager’s subsequent interview, apparently not. So yes, it still seems strange behaviour after a last minute winner and a first win. Maybe they have fallen out?? Maybe hart has been the one telling jones to deviate away from what he knows in the pursuit of points, and in actual fact we are strongest when we play the diamond. Maybe their butting of heads has been confusing the players and they’ve agreed to part ways? Who knows it’s all conjecture and something me and this board in particular love reading far to far into. Reality no one knows, and doubt anyone will find out.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 6, 2019 21:03:00 GMT
Jones is like a fan living every minute and Hart was probably pissed off this moment hadn't come sooner. For the sake of being grounded its probably good that Hart doesn't get over enthusiastic like Jones. Not that i mind Jones getting over excited, i like his energy and passion, it's only a matter of time before that makes it's way on the pitch.
Jones in.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 7, 2019 5:39:15 GMT
Reaffirming what I realised a while ago.... some people will moan about anything.
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Post by chumley on Oct 7, 2019 7:47:57 GMT
Didn't Jones during his meet the fans meeting, take the pee out of Hart for being deadpan and miserable ie no emotion, so that's just how he is..probably a wicked sense of humour somewhere in there.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 7, 2019 7:58:01 GMT
Absolutely. great win but not before time. Its not as though we got to a cup final today or in to Europe. Still a long road ahead The Cup Final appearance and Europe were one achievement as we got into Europe by default. The 9th placed finishes were three disctinct achievements
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 7, 2019 8:57:02 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. First. Our greatest ever England team manager's name is Ramsey. Second. The only thing Jimmy Greaves would have a "mental" about is not getting a pint in the player's lounge after the match. 😊 Good answer. As rawli pointed out I probably wrote "Ramsay" as a "Freudian slip" because that is how he would pronounce his name. My post was just letting off steam at the another stream trying to psychoanalyse our club, making up ideas and suggestions on the flimsiest of evidence, or even out of thin air at times. As for Hart's character and the comments above, to provide some balance, prior to the Leeds match at Elland road during the warm up, a few weeks ago, he was fooling about with one of the players on the pitch having a pretend wrestle and a hug and a good laugh. That is not something, I as a manager for over 30 years, have ever done with a member of my staff! But please don't let anyone start reading anything into that!
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Post by Gods on Oct 7, 2019 9:22:26 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. I've said several times on here there is a gap in the goal celebration market for a nicely understated celebration for anyone bold enough to seize the day !
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2019 10:24:36 GMT
Once again a negative thread - I'm coming round to the view that there is more wrong with the attitude of Stoke "fans" than the players. Hart is old school; did you ever see Alf Ramsay jumping round in glee? When England won the world cup he told a jubilant Harold Sheppardson to stop making an exhibition of himself. Did you ever see Jimmy Greaves have a mental when he scored? He usually ran to pick up the ball out of the net and run back to the centre circle to get ready to try and score another one. I've said several times on here there is a gap in the goal celebration market for a nicely understated celebration for anyone bold enough to seize the day ! I'll always remember Stefan Thordarsson's understated celebration after he scored that screamer at Charlton. I'd have still been running around the stadium a week later twirling my shirt above my head but he just stood there
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Post by Gods on Oct 7, 2019 11:40:04 GMT
I've said several times on here there is a gap in the goal celebration market for a nicely understated celebration for anyone bold enough to seize the day ! I'll always remember Stefan Thordarsson's understated celebration after he scored that screamer at Charlton. I'd have still been running around the stadium a week later twirling my shirt above my head but he just stood there I was behind the goal that night, what a hit, and best of all no histrionics, just look like that was exactly what you expected to happen !!
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2019 11:42:45 GMT
I'll always remember Stefan Thordarsson's understated celebration after he scored that screamer at Charlton. I'd have still been running around the stadium a week later twirling my shirt above my head but he just stood there I was behind the goal that night, what a hit, and best of all no histrionics, just look like that was exactly what you expected to happen !! I was a bit further back and to the left, pretty good mental iirc
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Oct 7, 2019 11:46:37 GMT
Where's the PASHUN?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 1:14:48 GMT
Oh for the days when footballers behaved with decorum.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 25, 2019 11:32:05 GMT
Thanks whoever posted the stream on YouTube. At the end of the match the camera zoomed in on Stoke’s bench. On the final whistle Rory jumped up and gave NJ a hug. Hart stood up from his seat, no expression folder in hand simply walked away and down the touchline. Did anyone else see this, was I seeing things? I immediately thought what a strange reaction to an away win under current circumstances. Am I reading too much into something that really doesn’t exist i.e are we to see changes Maybe this explains why he seemed so introspective: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-millwall-hart-wife-jones-3462569Assistant manager Paul Hart admits he was so emotional after the recent make-or-break win at Swansea that he couldn’t even speak to his missus. Hart was among those fearing for their job ahead of the victory in south Wales - and he acknowledges that the pressure was pretty intense.
I imagine after Swansea scored in the first minute he thought he was going to get sacked for sure.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 25, 2019 14:45:23 GMT
Thanks whoever posted the stream on YouTube. At the end of the match the camera zoomed in on Stoke’s bench. On the final whistle Rory jumped up and gave NJ a hug. Hart stood up from his seat, no expression folder in hand simply walked away and down the touchline. Did anyone else see this, was I seeing things? I immediately thought what a strange reaction to an away win under current circumstances. Am I reading too much into something that really doesn’t exist i.e are we to see changes Maybe this explains why he seemed so introspective: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-millwall-hart-wife-jones-3462569Assistant manager Paul Hart admits he was so emotional after the recent make-or-break win at Swansea that he couldn’t even speak to his missus. Hart was among those fearing for their job ahead of the victory in south Wales - and he acknowledges that the pressure was pretty intense.
I imagine after Swansea scored in the first minute he thought he was going to get sacked for sure. Hart is the calm to Jones storm. He acknowledged that fact when he arrived, explaining very clearly that he would help to ensure Jones didn't get too high or too low.
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