|
Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2019 8:27:58 GMT
Allen wasn’t though. It was a 1-3 not a 1-2-1 Orate oracle, that's your opinion. That’s what it was. Which is fine, it worked but it definitely wasn’t a diamond.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 6, 2019 8:29:17 GMT
Orate oracle, that's your opinion. That’s what it was. Which is fine, it worked but it definitely wasn’t a diamond. Well I think it was, because it was.
|
|
|
Post by zerps on Oct 6, 2019 8:31:14 GMT
Agree about Campbell but I thought Edwards was excellent yesterday, far better defensively and even won a fair few headers at his back post, which we've been struggling with. Edwards struggles when CCV is on his side. CCV was poor yesterday too imo. But Batth and Indi covered his arse well. It’s bart mate
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2019 8:31:58 GMT
That’s what it was. Which is fine, it worked but it definitely wasn’t a diamond. Well I think it was, because it was. Last one on this. It really wasn’t. Badou was definitely deeper but then had the 3 in front of him. Etebo would go if it was down the right, Allen down the middle and Clucas down the left. All stayed pretty much in line with each other except when on their individual press and back to the shape. It was good.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:32:40 GMT
It was a diamond without an attacking midfielder,just 4 central midfielders deployed in a 1-2-1 formation
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2019 8:33:26 GMT
It was a diamond without an attacking midfielder,just 4 central midfielders deployed in a 1-2-1 formation No it wasn’t.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 6, 2019 8:36:55 GMT
Well I think it was, because it was. Last one on this. It really wasn’t. Badou was definitely deeper but then had the 3 in front of him. Etebo would go if it was down the right, Allen down the middle and Clucas down the left. All stayed pretty much in line with each other except when on their individual press and back to the shape. It was good. Last one on this? Bollocks, you'd debate this all sodding day if I could be arsed you liar Why does it matter that I've seen the game differently to you? And thus have to prove a point that you are yet again "correct" regarding a talking point of such great futility?
|
|
|
Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 6, 2019 8:47:16 GMT
That’s what it was. Which is fine, it worked but it definitely wasn’t a diamond. Well I think it was, because it was. Allen was the first press from midfield. Which he meant he was furthest forward of the 4. We were fluid but Allen was definitely ahead of Etebo and Clucas. What this means was Allen also drifted to either side to e the first press, not strictly a diamond when he does this but he was still definitely playing ahead of the other midfielders and behind the front two. So yeah, I agree with you. Maybe not always a geometrically correct shape but definitely the furthest forward out of 4 with 2 behind him and then 1 sitting. However, that 4 were excellent and were able to recognise danger and cover for each other wen they needed to. You need flexibility. They delivered.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:48:30 GMT
It was a diamond without an attacking midfielder,just 4 central midfielders deployed in a 1-2-1 formation No it wasn’t. If it was a 3 the 2 widest would have been more like wingers and the fullbacks wouldn't have got forward so much. Go back to computer games Bayern 😆
|
|
|
Post by Bombus on Oct 6, 2019 8:56:19 GMT
Agree about Campbell but I thought Edwards was excellent yesterday, far better defensively and even won a fair few headers at his back post, which we've been struggling with. Edwards struggles when CCV is on his side. CCV was poor yesterday too imo. But Batth and Indi covered his arse well. He does mate - thought CCV played quite well at RB v the terriers though mind. Would that be the reason why CCV was played beside Batth before both Collins and Lindsay yesterday? I'd have Collins to make partnership with Batth every day of the week at least until the skipper's back.
|
|
|
Post by Bombus on Oct 6, 2019 8:57:23 GMT
Last one on this. It really wasn’t. Badou was definitely deeper but then had the 3 in front of him. Etebo would go if it was down the right, Allen down the middle and Clucas down the left. All stayed pretty much in line with each other except when on their individual press and back to the shape. It was good. Last one on this? Bollocks, you'd debate this all sodding day if I could be arsed you liar Why does it matter that I've seen the game differently to you? And thus have to prove a point that you are yet again "correct" regarding a talking point of such great futility? Keep going GF please mate as I can't be arsed
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:58:33 GMT
Edwards struggles when CCV is on his side. CCV was poor yesterday too imo. But Batth and Indi covered his arse well. He does mate - thought CCV played quite well at RB v the terriers though mind. Would that be the reason why CCV was played beside Batth before both Collins and Lindsay yesterday? I'd have Collins to make partnership with Batth every day of the week at least until the skipper's back. Collins was suspended
|
|
|
Post by scfc75 on Oct 6, 2019 9:01:59 GMT
Last one on this. It really wasn’t. Badou was definitely deeper but then had the 3 in front of him. Etebo would go if it was down the right, Allen down the middle and Clucas down the left. All stayed pretty much in line with each other except when on their individual press and back to the shape. It was good. Last one on this? Bollocks, you'd debate this all sodding day if I could be arsed you liar Why does it matter that I've seen the game differently to you? And thus have to prove a point that you are yet again "correct" regarding a talking point of such great futility? Proverbs 26:4
|
|
|
Post by Bombus on Oct 6, 2019 9:07:43 GMT
He does mate - thought CCV played quite well at RB v the terriers though mind. Would that be the reason why CCV was played beside Batth before both Collins and Lindsay yesterday? I'd have Collins to make partnership with Batth every day of the week at least until the skipper's back. Collins was suspended Fuck me, cheers mate yesterday must've been the third and last suspended match of his then surely. Anyway again, the gaffer is picking CCV over Lindsay it seems and maybe rightly so but will he be picking CCV over Collins is my question I don't know
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 9:11:53 GMT
I'm so glad I started this thread about the diamond, every-time Bayern hears the word he has to give himself a Chinese burn and scream into a pillow
|
|
|
Post by linfitstokie on Oct 6, 2019 9:12:45 GMT
It worked well i had started to think it could not work ,in the passed we have played well but lost but thats no good for anyone
|
|
|
Post by stokieoldboy on Oct 6, 2019 10:29:32 GMT
whichever name you want to call the formation, it worked, especially the last 20mins when hogan and vokes came on,and for the first time, this season the side looked well balanced,and created lots of chances, which should have won us the game quite comfortably,and barring injuries, we need to keep that same eleven,maybe Gregory for vokes, going into the next game,its just a pity we have a two week break, because Nathan might have forgotten which team/formation he used.
|
|
|
Post by dreamtheater on Oct 6, 2019 12:09:06 GMT
no wingers -- why does that need to happen
the diamond is just 4.4.2 - as Ive said numerous times -' wingers' is just who happens to wander out there
it can even be a full back - or a centre forward as much as a midfileder in the modern game
as is a defensive midfileder - who happens to be -whoever is stood there - someone can be a defensive midfileder nominatedat the out set - does not mean that is his entire game
4-1- 2-1 - 2 my arse !
its 4.4.2
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 6, 2019 12:22:11 GMT
no wingers -- why does that need to happen the diamond is just 4.4.2 - as Ive said numerous times -' wingers' is just who happens to wander out there it can even be a full back - or a centre forward as much as a midfileder in the modern game as is a defensive midfileder - who happens to be -whoever is stood there - someone can be a defensive midfileder nominatedat the out set - does not mean that is his entire game 4-1- 2-1 - 2 my arse ! its 4.4.2 Jones' favoured position is a 442 diamond yes - literally nobody has said otherwise. But there are different kinds of 442, which means 'it's just 442' isn't really a thing. The conventional 442 that English football relied on for years was heavily dependent on chalk on the boots wingers getting crosses in. Jones' 442 diamond doesn't have that, so you can't really compare them. You've got a front to talk about 'arguing from entrenched positions' when the very word 'diamond' is a dog whistle to you and sets you off on one of your 'you eggheads overcomplicate a simple game' rants, the archetypal old man yelling at clouds.
|
|
|
Post by dreamtheater on Oct 6, 2019 12:24:50 GMT
when I played 4.4.2, I was a left midfielder not a winger
but I often used to go down the left touchline beating players and putting crosses in too
Iwould also chase back and defend because it was expected to work forwards and backwards
and sometimes, the left back behind me, would overlap me and adopt the role of a winger
but he was the left back
go figure
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2019 12:27:26 GMT
We started off playing 352.
However Swansea were finding lots of space down our left hand side - it wasn't working.
Fair play to Jones, he saw the issue and on 13 mins he called Allen over to the touchline and clearly switched it to a flat back four, with a DIAMOND in front of it.
It is was as clear as day, Allen told the other players what to do and then he himself went and immediately stood at the tip of that diamond.
|
|
|
Post by clarkeda on Oct 6, 2019 12:29:40 GMT
We started the game with Clucas as a LWB and 3 CBS but that definitely got changed to the diamond. Joe Allen was the furthest man forward and Badou was the deepest with Clucas to the left and Etebo to the right.. pretty much as diamondy as it can get surely? Exactly how I saw it. We definitely started back 3 and jones moved to a diamond, allen may not had been a FULL no 10 but was half way in between. But Bayern will disagree then argue with you until you give up then he will claim he was right. Edit can see that already happened.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 6, 2019 12:49:32 GMT
when I played 4.4.2, I was a left midfielder not a winger but I often used to go down the left touchline beating players and putting crosses in too Iwould also chase back and defend because it was expected to work forwards and backwards and sometimes, the left back behind me, would overlap me and adopt the role of a winger but he was the left back go figure That sounds an awful lot like a winger Tone. Wide midfielder, if you prefer, a la Cresswell in Pulis' set up or the job Rory did on the right. Not a million miles removed. Of course the full back overlaps in a conventional 442, that's a given.
|
|
|
Post by Miles Offside on Oct 6, 2019 21:19:09 GMT
The BIG problem with the diamond is that it relies on our full-backs pushing forward to give the team width.
It cost us yet again yesterday when Swansea broke way and Edwards was nowhere near to cover.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 6, 2019 22:42:01 GMT
The BIG problem with the diamond is that it relies on our full-backs pushing forward to give the team width. It cost us yet again yesterday when Swansea broke way and Edwards was nowhere near to cover. Well the right midfielder in the diamond should push out wide to compensate. Its either the players not willing to take on board the tactics or the manager's training of the tactics are wrong.
|
|