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Post by redandy on Oct 5, 2019 17:10:12 GMT
Nathan has stumbled on his best team after 10 months  (I'm talking of the team that finished the game). Playing two strikers has to be the way forward, the shape and formation still needs work and specific upgrades, we lacked width going forwards and at times Swansea were able to double up on our fullbacks, but with the best will in the world Bruno isn't a full back. I just hope we can keep Ndayie and Etebo through January or that would massively derail our hopeful clamber, towards the top half. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 5, 2019 17:11:26 GMT
Not picking Ince or McClean made a massive difference. Like playing with 9 men when they start.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 5, 2019 17:12:16 GMT
Was McClean injured?
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Post by Sven on Oct 5, 2019 17:16:15 GMT
dunno but i wouldn't be bothered if i never saw him in a stoke shirt again aswell as ince wimmer imbula and fuck scholes off whilst we're at it edit... a few weeks ago badou would of been in that list but he has looked immense, so i give him the benefit of the doubt (even if he is only putting himself in the shop window) |
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 5, 2019 17:19:32 GMT
Did I see that Jones said (surprise!) that it was the first time he'd been able to pick his first choice XI.
Why was that. Surely nothing stopping them being picked before except perhaps stupity or bad advice.
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Post by pbpotter on Oct 5, 2019 17:30:03 GMT
Not picking Ince or McClean made a massive difference. Like playing with 9 men when they start. Agree with this plus he seems to have finally realised that we need 2 up front. We still need a stable and solid back 4 that nail down their spots. |
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Post by redandy on Oct 5, 2019 19:10:01 GMT
Not picking Ince or McClean made a massive difference. Like playing with 9 men when they start. I have to say that Inces performance against Huddersfield was the most abject, gutless, lazy display from him since he's joined which is quite a feat as he's probably been terrible a dozen or more times, how much did we pay for him? He has a lazy sulking entitled attitude that drags the whole team down. I'm not a fan of Mclean but at least he breaks sweat. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 5, 2019 19:16:49 GMT
I'm surprised it's taken him this long to put BMI back at left back, I thought he'd do it against Huddersfield.
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 5, 2019 19:18:49 GMT
Nathan has stumbled on his best team after 10 months If he has then you can be certain he'll change it all round for the next game. I despair. |
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Post by loosestools on Oct 5, 2019 19:19:19 GMT
Why should he have to 'stumble on it' He should know how to put together a team, that's why we are in the shit.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Oct 5, 2019 19:25:58 GMT
Had he got either jack Stacy or James Justin in the summer we wouldn’t have seen McLean this season and probably not conceded the goals we have from left back. If he can make it to January and get some other players in (same story as always though) specifically at left back and upfront he could make it work. I think he needs to take it game by game at the minute though
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Post by supacoopa101 on Oct 5, 2019 19:26:55 GMT
I'd sell both Mclean and Ince to fund a solid left back in January.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 5, 2019 19:30:16 GMT
Why should he have to 'stumble on it' He should know how to put together a team, that's why we are in the shit. Lack of experience, I think it was Allardyce who said when you go into a club that is failing, if you are going to turn it around you have to pick out the players who will get you sacked, and separate them from the players you trust. Ince and mcclean are two that will get you sacked. When both are playing they fuck up any kind of attacking impetus. I would be pleased if we don't see them again. Hopefully nathan realises this now. I've said it before but Gary Rowett wreaked destruction on this club in that summer window. |
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Post by Davef on Oct 5, 2019 19:30:48 GMT
I'd sell both Mclean and Ince to fund a solid left back in January. Who's going to buy them? |
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Post by royalewithcheese on Oct 5, 2019 19:34:39 GMT
I'd sell both Mclean and Ince to fund a solid left back in January. Who's going to buy them? Nath's next team. |
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Post by supacoopa101 on Oct 5, 2019 19:35:20 GMT
I'd sell both Mclean and Ince to fund a solid left back in January. Who's going to buy them? Hopefully someone desperate and stupid. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 19:36:18 GMT
Well I'll put my tin hat on and say that I didn't see that much from our strikers today.
Campbell offered very little and looked lazy to me, Gregory works his nads off but really, his finishing is dreadful.
Vokes has offered very little when he's played this season but to be fair to Hogan, he's not played that much and did get the goal today.
We definitely do have to play two up top though because there isn't anybody in the squad who is remotely good enough to do it on their own.
We've almost certainly got the best midfield in the Championship but I genuinely think that there are serious questions marks over the personnel in both the attack and the defence.
The midfield won that game today for me (they were excellent) and although there was a brief patch of backs to the wall defending in the second half (showing that they were indeed still playing for Jones) I still don't think we have the full-backs to provide the width we need when playing the diamond.
I am worried that in the main, the players that we're relying on, weren't signed by either Jones or Rowett.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 5, 2019 19:40:25 GMT
Why should he have to 'stumble on it' He should know how to put together a team, that's why we are in the shit. Lack of experience, I think it was Allardyce who said when you go into a club that is failing, if you are going to turn it around you have to pick out the players who will get you sacked, and separate them from the players you trust. Ince and mcclean are two that will get you sacked. When both are playing they fuck up any kind of attacking impetus. I would be pleased if we don't see them again. Hopefully nathan realises this now. I've said it before but Gary Rowett wreaked destruction on this club in that summer window. Trying to please too many players so that they would support his philosophies. That is his lack of experience and the reason that he possibly does not command respect. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 5, 2019 19:42:22 GMT
Well I'll put my tin hat on and say that I didn't see that much from our strikers today. Campbell offered very little and looked lazy to me, Gregory works his nads off but really, his finishing is dreadful. Vokes has offered very little when he's played this season but to be fair to Hogan, he's not played that much and did get the goal today. We definitely do have to play two up top though because there isn't anybody in the squad who is remotely good enough to do it on their own. We've almost certainly got the best midfield in the Championship but I genuinely think that there are serious questions marks over the personnel in both the attack and the defence. The midfield won that game today for me (they were excellent) and although there was a brief patch of backs to the wall defending in the second half (showing that they were indeed still playing for Jones) I still don't think we have the full-backs to provide the width we need when playing the diamond. I am worried that in the main, the players that we're relying on, weren't signed by either Jones or Rowett. Playing the 4 midfielders that played today allows us to put 2 up top. I'd give Vokes and Hogan a few games to see how they work out. If they're big mates off the field it could lead to a decent partnership on the field. |
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Post by Davef on Oct 5, 2019 19:48:36 GMT
Well I'll put my tin hat on and say that I didn't see that much from our strikers today. Campbell offered very little and looked lazy to me, Gregory works his nads off but really, his finishing is dreadful. Vokes has offered very little when he's played this season but to be fair to Hogan, he's not played that much and did get the goal today. We definitely do have to play two up top though because there isn't anybody in the squad who is remotely good enough to do it on their own. We've almost certainly got the best midfield in the Championship but I genuinely think that there are serious questions marks over the personnel in both the attack and the defence. The midfield won that game today for me (they were excellent) and although there was a brief patch of backs to the wall defending in the second half (showing that they were indeed still playing for Jones) I still don't think we have the full-backs to provide the width we need when playing the diamond. I am worried that in the main, the players that we're relying on, weren't signed by either Jones or Rowett. He can't think about changing the midfield can he? Etebo and N'Diaye were excellent again, Allen had his best game for ages and Clucas was outstanding I thought. Campbell was disappointing and Gregory's finishing was woeful. At the back I thought Edwards was shaky and Collins must be a consideration to return now his ban is over. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 5, 2019 19:53:12 GMT
Well I'll put my tin hat on and say that I didn't see that much from our strikers today. Campbell offered very little and looked lazy to me, Gregory works his nads off but really, his finishing is dreadful. Vokes has offered very little when he's played this season but to be fair to Hogan, he's not played that much and did get the goal today. We definitely do have to play two up top though because there isn't anybody in the squad who is remotely good enough to do it on their own. We've almost certainly got the best midfield in the Championship but I genuinely think that there are serious questions marks over the personnel in both the attack and the defence. The midfield won that game today for me (they were excellent) and although there was a brief patch of backs to the wall defending in the second half (showing that they were indeed still playing for Jones) I still don't think we have the full-backs to provide the width we need when playing the diamond. I am worried that in the main, the players that we're relying on, weren't signed by either Jones or Rowett. He can't think about changing the midfield can he? Etebo and N'Diaye were excellent again, Allen had his best game for ages and Clucas was outstanding I thought. Campbell was disappointing and Gregory's finishing was woeful. At the back I thought Edwards was shaky and Collins must be a consideration to return now his ban is over. Agree. I'd give Collins a try at RB, from the games I've seen he likes to go forward with the ball down the right side and can obviously defend. |
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Post by Davef on Oct 5, 2019 19:55:13 GMT
He can't think about changing the midfield can he? Etebo and N'Diaye were excellent again, Allen had his best game for ages and Clucas was outstanding I thought. Campbell was disappointing and Gregory's finishing was woeful. At the back I thought Edwards was shaky and Collins must be a consideration to return now his ban is over. Agree. I'd give Collins a try at RB, from the games I've seen he likes to go forward with the ball down the right side and can obviously defend. I'd rather see CCV at right back to be honest. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 5, 2019 19:57:51 GMT
Agree. I'd give Collins a try at RB, from the games I've seen he likes to go forward with the ball down the right side and can obviously defend. I'd rather see CCV at right back to be honest. Not sure what to make of him, maybe he needs to settle in a bit, he's better than Lindsay in the middle but not sure about him at RB. |
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Post by Goonie on Oct 5, 2019 20:00:10 GMT
Did I see that Jones said (surprise!) that it was the first time he'd been able to pick his first choice XI. Why was that. Surely nothing stopping them being picked before except perhaps stupity or bad advice. Hes only got about 25 to choose from too Not one a left back! Bizarre recruitment |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 20:00:27 GMT
Agree. I'd give Collins a try at RB, from the games I've seen he likes to go forward with the ball down the right side and can obviously defend. I'd rather see CCV at right back to be honest. Yeah me too for sure. But CCV at right back and Bruno at left back, kind of reinforces my point about not having the full backs available to give us the width (necessary) for a diamond. Both Jones and Rowett have recruited shockingly and if it wasn't for the players that were signed before either of them had arrived, then we'd be long gone by now (if we aren't already). |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 5, 2019 20:03:02 GMT
I'd rather see CCV at right back to be honest. Yeah me too for sure. But CCV at right back and Bruno at left back, kind of reinforces my point about not having the full backs available to give us the width (necessary) for a diamond. Both Jones and Rowett have recruited shockingly and if it wasn't for the players that were signed before either of them had arrived, then we'd be long gone by now (if we aren't already). I'm very surprised he's not tried Clucas at LB, he's tried everything else! |
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Post by Goonie on Oct 5, 2019 20:37:19 GMT
I'm surprised it's taken him this long to put BMI back at left back, I thought he'd do it against Huddersfield. I thought he might've bought one LB instead of 2 RBs! |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 5, 2019 20:51:02 GMT
Well I'll put my tin hat on and say that I didn't see that much from our strikers today. Campbell offered very little and looked lazy to me, Gregory works his nads off but really, his finishing is dreadful. Vokes has offered very little when he's played this season but to be fair to Hogan, he's not played that much and did get the goal today. We definitely do have to play two up top though because there isn't anybody in the squad who is remotely good enough to do it on their own. We've almost certainly got the best midfield in the Championship but I genuinely think that there are serious questions marks over the personnel in both the attack and the defence. The midfield won that game today for me (they were excellent) and although there was a brief patch of backs to the wall defending in the second half (showing that they were indeed still playing for Jones) I still don't think we have the full-backs to provide the width we need when playing the diamond. I am worried that in the main, the players that we're relying on, weren't signed by either Jones or Rowett. Playing the 4 midfielders that played today allows us to put 2 up top. I'd give Vokes and Hogan a few games to see how they work out. If they're big mates off the field it could lead to a decent partnership on the field. I think swapping Gregory for Vokes would see us lose more than we'd gain, I know Gregory isn't great in front of goal but he gets about well and gets at the oppo defence, Vokes hardly moves. |
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Post by redandy on Oct 6, 2019 13:34:03 GMT
I think swapping Gregory for Vokes would see us lose more than we'd gain, I know Gregory isn't great in front of goal but he gets about well and gets at the oppo defence, Vokes hardly moves.
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Gregory works tirelessly, but there's no real quality to his hold up play, I'm not convinced he should be a regular starter. We are struggling for any real quality up front, which in my view is the main reason we got relegated.
Vokes turns like a barge and is so slow for a pro footballer, but when he came on he gave Swansea's defence something to worry about in the air, which allowed Hogan to run around sniffing for scraps, and how we got our winner. Campbell got a rare start and blew it, he was very ineffective, I want him to work as there's so much potential and he can actually shoot when running at pace which we've lacked since Fuller.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 6, 2019 13:39:55 GMT
Surprised more hasn't been said about Campbell on here. I thought he did quite well to be fair.
Ran the channels really well and gave our midfielders more of an outlet and Gregory more support. Wasn't perfect and will get better but he made a huge difference relative to what I have seen recently.
I'd start him and Gregory next game in spite of Hogan's goal.
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(I'm talking of the team that finished the game). Playing two strikers has to be the way forward, the shape and formation still needs work and specific upgrades, we lacked width going forwards and at times Swansea were able to double up on our fullbacks, but with the best will in the world Bruno isn't a full back. I just hope we can keep Ndayie and Etebo through January or that would massively derail our hopeful clamber, towards the top half. Fingers crossed.
