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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 6, 2019 21:12:44 GMT
All relative, if we could get Hughton or Moyes then happily, but if the alternative is O'Neill or Pardew then stick for a wee bit longer. That's about right, I reckon. Trouble is, the Board have dithered for so long that it'll be doubly difficult now to persuade somebody like Hughton or Moyes to come here.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Oct 7, 2019 12:46:21 GMT
His signings make the decision for me. They have been appalling, demonstrable by his reluctance to play most of them. If he did manage to save us from relegation, would you want him to be given more money to spend next summer? No. I can't mount any defence of him at all beyond those 90 minutes! But would you still get rid if we could only, for example, attract a Michael O'Neill? You guys always write a lot of sense. I've been torn about this too. We just can't look at getting rid of NJ in isolation - it has to be viewed with his replacement. As we all know, the problem wasn't sacking MH, but ultimately how we replaced him. I am one of those who desperately want him to succeed. It feels like a fresh start for the club and I hoped it might be like "regime change". His passion and enthusiasm is brilliant, and you actually get caught up in it listening to him. It meant a hell of a lot to him on Saturday. I agree about his signings though. From what I've seen, Cousins isn't first team ready, and the Smith, Ward, Davis, Lyndsay signings are strange. It's also like he's stumbled onto this team and formation. I actually think the squad is too big. I'm not sure he knows what to do with players like Woods, Ince and now even McClean. It still looks a mess, but if the "first team" + subs that we saw on Saturday keep that level of performance up, anything could happen this season. I've always said, this group of players should fear no team in this league. I think they have to stick with him, as you have said, almost on a game by game basis. Vive la revolution!
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Post by foster on Oct 7, 2019 13:06:18 GMT
If we average 4 or less points from 9 in any 3 consecutive games coming up between now and January then I'd sack him.
We need the points and although it was a great win, it doesn't paper over where we are in the table.
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Post by stokeyank on Oct 7, 2019 13:36:17 GMT
No. I can't mount any defence of him at all beyond those 90 minutes! But would you still get rid if we could only, for example, attract a Michael O'Neill? You guys always write a lot of sense. I've been torn about this too. We just can't look at getting rid of NJ in isolation - it has to be viewed with his replacement. As we all know, the problem wasn't sacking MH, but ultimately how we replaced him. I am one of those who desperately want him to succeed. It feels like a fresh start for the club and I hoped it might be like "regime change". His passion and enthusiasm is brilliant, and you actually get caught up in it listening to him. It meant a hell of a lot to him on Saturday. I agree about his signings though. From what I've seen, Cousins isn't first team ready, and the Smith, Ward, Davis, Lyndsay signings are strange. It's also like he's stumbled onto this team and formation. I actually think the squad is too big. I'm not sure he knows what to do with players like Woods, Ince and now even McClean. It still looks a mess, but if the "first team" + subs that we saw on Saturday keep that level of performance up, anything could happen this season. I've always said, this group of players should fear no team in this league. I think they have to stick with him, as you have said, almost on a game by game basis. Vive la revolution! That's the thing with the club right now. The recruitment is just baffling. Jones originally said he wanted a "lean" squad and also players who were young and hungry. Well we now have an even more bloated payroll. We have brought in players that just do not make much sense in many cases and are certainly not "young and hungry". So either Jones was full of crap or the issue is still in the front office and board room (which is honestly what I believe). Of course one would think Jones sanctioned these signings, so that falls at some level to him as well. So I am not sure bringing in a new manager is going to do much good. If we do we need someone with a big personality who will put his foot down on any and all issues dealing with the squad and the front office.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Oct 7, 2019 14:04:24 GMT
You guys always write a lot of sense. I've been torn about this too. We just can't look at getting rid of NJ in isolation - it has to be viewed with his replacement. As we all know, the problem wasn't sacking MH, but ultimately how we replaced him. I am one of those who desperately want him to succeed. It feels like a fresh start for the club and I hoped it might be like "regime change". His passion and enthusiasm is brilliant, and you actually get caught up in it listening to him. It meant a hell of a lot to him on Saturday. I agree about his signings though. From what I've seen, Cousins isn't first team ready, and the Smith, Ward, Davis, Lyndsay signings are strange. It's also like he's stumbled onto this team and formation. I actually think the squad is too big. I'm not sure he knows what to do with players like Woods, Ince and now even McClean. It still looks a mess, but if the "first team" + subs that we saw on Saturday keep that level of performance up, anything could happen this season. I've always said, this group of players should fear no team in this league. I think they have to stick with him, as you have said, almost on a game by game basis. Vive la revolution! That's the thing with the club right now. The recruitment is just baffling. Jones originally said he wanted a "lean" squad and also players who were young and hungry. Well we now have an even more bloated payroll. We have brought in players that just do not make much sense in many cases and are certainly not "young and hungry". So either Jones was full of crap or the issue is still in the front office and board room (which is honestly what I believe). Of course one would think Jones sanctioned these signings, so that falls at some level to him as well. So I am not sure bringing in a new manager is going to do much good. If we do we need someone with a big personality who will put his foot down on any and all issues dealing with the squad and the front office. In his defence, I'm pretty sure he didn't expect to have Butland, Ndiaye and possibly Allen or Etebo in his first team squad. When he came, he also talked about "the process". The kangaroo speech. He would describe the type of player he wanted, and the recruitment team would give him a shortlist which met that criteria. It still looks a bit random though. Looks like he's sticking with Edwards despite spending £4m on Smith, while his £9m man Vokes is behind the freebies Gregory & Hogan. He obviously knew Cousins having worked with him as a youngster, but in fairness he looks out of his depth. I would feel more confident in him as a coach/motivator if we were better at scouting the right kind of player.
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Post by kronkie on Oct 7, 2019 15:14:30 GMT
Didn't he say a few weeks ago that he wanted to build a team around, including McLean and Ince, yet he says on Saturday that this was his best team. The man talks in riddles.
He hasn't got a clue.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 7, 2019 15:46:16 GMT
Didn't he say a few weeks ago that he wanted to build a team around, including McLean and Ince, yet he says on Saturday that this was his best team. The man talks in riddles. He hasn't got a clue. Yeah, he's making it up as he goes along. He could have dropped McClean weeks ago The Hogan situation is baffling aswell. Him and Gregory look good together up top against Derby then after a poor game against Preston the whole team), he drops him Gives him a run out on Saturday and you know the rest
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 7, 2019 16:06:47 GMT
Hopefully he has found his permanent now.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 8, 2019 7:31:06 GMT
You guys always write a lot of sense. I've been torn about this too. We just can't look at getting rid of NJ in isolation - it has to be viewed with his replacement. As we all know, the problem wasn't sacking MH, but ultimately how we replaced him. I am one of those who desperately want him to succeed. It feels like a fresh start for the club and I hoped it might be like "regime change". His passion and enthusiasm is brilliant, and you actually get caught up in it listening to him. It meant a hell of a lot to him on Saturday. I agree about his signings though. From what I've seen, Cousins isn't first team ready, and the Smith, Ward, Davis, Lyndsay signings are strange. It's also like he's stumbled onto this team and formation. I actually think the squad is too big. I'm not sure he knows what to do with players like Woods, Ince and now even McClean. It still looks a mess, but if the "first team" + subs that we saw on Saturday keep that level of performance up, anything could happen this season. I've always said, this group of players should fear no team in this league. I think they have to stick with him, as you have said, almost on a game by game basis. Vive la revolution! That's the thing with the club right now. The recruitment is just baffling. Jones originally said he wanted a "lean" squad and also players who were young and hungry. Well we now have an even more bloated payroll. We have brought in players that just do not make much sense in many cases and are certainly not "young and hungry". So either Jones was full of crap or the issue is still in the front office and board room (which is honestly what I believe). Of course one would think Jones sanctioned these signings, so that falls at some level to him as well. So I am not sure bringing in a new manager is going to do much good. If we do we need someone with a big personality who will put his foot down on any and all issues dealing with the squad and the front office. A real football club in the real world isn't the same as a pretend football club in the virtual world. The manager and the backroom staff can't just buy and sell players as and when they want - unless you are a Man City or Barcelona they have far less control in the situation than the player and the selling club. The players we end up with are there for the most part as a result of factors beyond our control - like the player just happened to be available or they don't want to leave because they aren't going to get a better contract anywhere else. We are an unfashionable club struggling in the Championship and as a result we are not an attractive proposition to the best players available. We have the players we have because of that - and sacking the manager and/or the backroom staff isn't going to make the slightest difference on our prospects in the transfer market. The thing we can improve is getting the best out the players we have - and the most hopeful thing about our situation is that this squad hasn't achieved anywhere near their potential,
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Post by stokecity4life on Oct 8, 2019 7:40:11 GMT
Actually sack him in the dressing room and leave him in South Wales. Economical. You really are a sad, pathetic person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 21:40:44 GMT
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 9, 2019 4:49:27 GMT
Didn't he say a few weeks ago that he wanted to build a team around, including McLean and Ince, yet he says on Saturday that this was his best team. The man talks in riddles. He hasn't got a clue. It was no coincidence,in my opinion that Ince and Maclean not playing v Swansea resulted in us winning. If Ince starts then in effect we are playing with 10 men,he offers nothing at all and I am fed up of hearing about Macleans 'work rate'.He is just not a very good footballer. If there is no decent alternative to Jones(Moyes,Houghton,maybe Karanka)then I would persevere with Nath for the foreseeable future. It will be interesting to see what his starting 11 is v Fulham.
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