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Post by musik on Nov 6, 2019 16:52:00 GMT
In 2022 perhaps 12% muslims? In 2016 it was 8.4%. But not only ALL muslims would vote for such a political party. 20% (in 2022) means 2.1 million peoole. We have totally failed when it comes to integration. No. You haven't, they have. It is the same over here in large areas. Many (not all) ethnic groups choose to live in their own 'select' areas and mix with 'their own type'. Some don't, and mix hapily with us natives. But too many choose separatism in my opinion. I get it. Over here we have a rather strict queue system to appartments. Inner city appartments have a waiting list of up to 25 years in various areas. Only the appartments in the suburbans north of our city are available within 4 years. It would be weird if the immigrants could pass almost everybody in the longer queues, wouldn't it? But of course, there are other ways as well to integrate.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2019 17:08:51 GMT
No. You haven't, they have. It is the same over here in large areas. Many (not all) ethnic groups choose to live in their own 'select' areas and mix with 'their own type'. Some don't, and mix hapily with us natives. But too many choose separatism in my opinion. I get it. Over here we have a rather strict queue system to appartments. Inner city appartments have a waiting list of up to 25 years in various areas. Only the appartments in the suburbans north of our city are available within 4 years. It would be weird if the immigrants could pass almost everybody in the longer queues, wouldn't it? But of course, there are other ways as well to integrate. Indeed it would be weird but is that happening ?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2019 17:17:42 GMT
In 2022 perhaps 12% muslims? In 2016 it was 8.4%. But not only ALL muslims would vote for such a political party. 20% (in 2022) means 2.1 million peoole. We have totally failed when it comes to integration. No. You haven't, they have. It is the same over here in large areas. Many (not all) ethnic groups choose to live in their own 'select' areas and mix with 'their own type'. Some don't, and mix hapily with us natives. But too many choose separatism in my opinion. It seems to be a growing problem in Northern Europe in particular Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Holland and ourselves, a growing issue is it been dealt with ? it appears not to have been addressed more swept under the carpet, I see there have been issues in parts of Germany with a rise in the support of Nazism, is this a symptom of the failure to tackle the elephant in the room by many European leaders ?, I fear this will eventually lead to civil war in Europe if ignored for any more length of time, why are our leaders letting Europe slide into this sort of situation.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 6, 2019 17:37:28 GMT
No. You haven't, they have. It is the same over here in large areas. Many (not all) ethnic groups choose to live in their own 'select' areas and mix with 'their own type'. Some don't, and mix hapily with us natives. But too many choose separatism in my opinion. It seems to be a growing problem in Northern Europe in particular Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Holland and ourselves, a growing issue is it been dealt with ? it appears not to have been addressed more swept under the carpet, I see there have been issues in parts of Germany with a rise in the support of Nazism, is this a symptom of the failure to tackle the elephant in the room by many European leaders ?, I fear this will eventually lead to civil war in Europe if ignored for any more length of time, why are our leaders letting Europe slide into this sort of situation. I don’t necessarily view it as a political problem but more as a cultural one. If you’ve got a bunch of, let’s say, Asians who for religious, cultural and perhaps a variety of other reasons prefer to live amongst people just like themselves rather than integrate and adopt the customs of their new homeland, I’m not sure there is much that politicians can do about that. In the same way that Brits abroad tend to congregate with other Brits abroad, it seems to be the same for lots of other people. It is true of animals too…. Look in a field of a mixed population of horses and cows (I might be getting a bit too Somerset here) and you will see that the cows stick together and the horses stick together. Is that a political problem? – I think it probably isn’t. But I don't have an answer for it, and agree that there may be serious trouble ahead.
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Post by musik on Nov 6, 2019 17:39:41 GMT
I get it. Over here we have a rather strict queue system to appartments. Inner city appartments have a waiting list of up to 25 years in various areas. Only the appartments in the suburbans north of our city are available within 4 years. It would be weird if the immigrants could pass almost everybody in the longer queues, wouldn't it? But of course, there are other ways as well to integrate. Indeed it would be weird but is that happening ? No. It wouldn't be fair and it would lead to enormous envy. I've noticed a minority of the immigrants can have problems with understanding the queue system, they think it's an unfair system. According to the law, immigrants here have to go to SFI (Swedish for immigrants) to learn the language, to get any social welfare money, and most do of course. At least they have to integrate with the teacher then, but I don't know to what extent elsewhere. Btw, two weeks ago I saw a job as a teacher in swedish, mathematics, economics and more. I thought about it for a while. But I don't think I will apply. It had nothing to do with SFI. The job was to coach and teach the students at their schools or in libraries, it could be immigrants but it could also be swedes with dyslexia or whatever.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2019 17:57:49 GMT
It seems to be a growing problem in Northern Europe in particular Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Holland and ourselves, a growing issue is it been dealt with ? it appears not to have been addressed more swept under the carpet, I see there have been issues in parts of Germany with a rise in the support of Nazism, is this a symptom of the failure to tackle the elephant in the room by many European leaders ?, I fear this will eventually lead to civil war in Europe if ignored for any more length of time, why are our leaders letting Europe slide into this sort of situation. I don’t necessarily view it as a political problem but more as a cultural one. If you’ve got a bunch of, let’s say, Asians who for religious, cultural and perhaps a variety of other reasons prefer to live amongst people just like themselves rather than integrate and adopt the customs of their new homeland, I’m not sure there is much that politicians can do about that. In the same way that Brits abroad tend to congregate with other Brits abroad, it seems to be the same for lots of other people. It is true of animals too…. Look in a field of a mixed population of horses and cows (I might be getting a bit too Somerset here) and you will see that the cows stick together and the horses stick together. Is that a political problem? – I think it probably isn’t. But I don't have an answer for it, and agree that there may be serious trouble ahead. Do you think that uncontrolled immigration has contributed to the problems we are seeing ?
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Post by Northy on Nov 6, 2019 22:15:30 GMT
Musik, have you had your leaflet on what to do in crisis/war, what does it say ?
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Post by musik on Nov 7, 2019 0:37:32 GMT
Naturally. It begins with an open question: what do you do if:
The Heat disappears It becomes difficult to Cook and store food Stores no longer have any Food and other important things There's no Water There's no Petrol The Bank cards doesn't work There are no Transports It's difficult to get any Medicine
Then solutions.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 7, 2019 10:54:17 GMT
I don’t necessarily view it as a political problem but more as a cultural one. If you’ve got a bunch of, let’s say, Asians who for religious, cultural and perhaps a variety of other reasons prefer to live amongst people just like themselves rather than integrate and adopt the customs of their new homeland, I’m not sure there is much that politicians can do about that. In the same way that Brits abroad tend to congregate with other Brits abroad, it seems to be the same for lots of other people. It is true of animals too…. Look in a field of a mixed population of horses and cows (I might be getting a bit too Somerset here) and you will see that the cows stick together and the horses stick together. Is that a political problem? – I think it probably isn’t. But I don't have an answer for it, and agree that there may be serious trouble ahead. Do you think that uncontrolled immigration has contributed to the problems we are seeing ? I think for me to answer that, you would need to define the “problems” you are referring to. Some of this “grooming” and paedophile stuff we are finding out about nowadays seems to have been going on for a very long time. The blame for that must obviously be laid at the offenders doors initially, but sharing in the guilt must be sections of people (some might call them hand-wringing do-gooders) who seem to have been complicit in covering this up, and the forces of law and order & other authorities who have simply failed to protect the vulnerable and prosecute the guilty for all those years. The lack of integration has been going on a very long time too and so the blame for that cannot, as I see it, be laid at the door of ‘uncontrolled immigration’ although it is obviously the case that if there are more and more immigrants who do not integrate themselves into other population groups including the indigenous population, it magnifies the issue.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2019 11:05:28 GMT
Do you think that uncontrolled immigration has contributed to the problems we are seeing ? I think for me to answer that, you would need to define the “problems” you are referring to. Some of this “grooming” and paedophile stuff we are finding out about nowadays seems to have been going on for a very long time. The blame for that must obviously be laid at the offenders doors initially, but sharing in the guilt must be sections of people (some might call them hand-wringing do-gooders) who seem to have been complicit in covering this up, and the forces of law and order & other authorities who have simply failed to protect the vulnerable and prosecute the guilty for all those years. The lack of integration has been going on a very long time too and so the blame for that cannot, as I see it, be laid at the door of ‘uncontrolled immigration’ although it is obviously the case that if there are more and more immigrants who do not integrate themselves into other population groups including the indigenous population, it magnifies the issue. The supposed growth of right wing fascism across Germany and Italy to name but two, the stress been put on our NHS, schools, social housing, policing and benefits systems, the rise in criminal activity and violent crimes in areas of Europe.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 7, 2019 11:23:21 GMT
I think for me to answer that, you would need to define the “problems” you are referring to. Some of this “grooming” and paedophile stuff we are finding out about nowadays seems to have been going on for a very long time. The blame for that must obviously be laid at the offenders doors initially, but sharing in the guilt must be sections of people (some might call them hand-wringing do-gooders) who seem to have been complicit in covering this up, and the forces of law and order & other authorities who have simply failed to protect the vulnerable and prosecute the guilty for all those years. The lack of integration has been going on a very long time too and so the blame for that cannot, as I see it, be laid at the door of ‘uncontrolled immigration’ although it is obviously the case that if there are more and more immigrants who do not integrate themselves into other population groups including the indigenous population, it magnifies the issue. The supposed growth of right wing fascism across Germany and Italy to name but two, the stress been put on our NHS, schools, social housing, policing and benefits systems, the rise in criminal activity and violent crimes in areas of Europe. “ The supposed growth of right wing fascism across Germany and Italy” I don’t know enough about those to comment although there is history of that reaching back to before "uncontrolled mass immigration". “ the stress been put on our NHS, schools, social housing, policing, and benefits systems” I think much of that can be blamed on lack of funding, or sufficient funding targeted at the wrong areas. With regard to the housing situation, the planning system needs to be looked at, the restrictions on local authorities need to be looked at and the changing demographic of the population (more single-person households, people living longer, etc) need to be looked at and better accounted for. Immigration is probably a contributing factor, but it is far from the only one. And I’ve got to say that most of the Eastern European immigrants I’ve met seem like decent hard working people who are prepared to work to ‘better themselves’. I can’t speak about the other groups as down here in Somerset, we don’t really have any. (We don’t actually have many E.Europeans either, but there are a few). What about you; Do you see uncontrolled immigration as the biggest factor in those things? And, if so, what are your ideas to 'turn off the tap'?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2019 11:56:11 GMT
The supposed growth of right wing fascism across Germany and Italy to name but two, the stress been put on our NHS, schools, social housing, policing and benefits systems, the rise in criminal activity and violent crimes in areas of Europe. “ The supposed growth of right wing fascism across Germany and Italy” I don’t know enough about those to comment although there is history of that reaching back to before "uncontrolled mass immigration". “ the stress been put on our NHS, schools, social housing, policing, and benefits systems” I think much of that can be blamed on lack of funding, or sufficient funding targeted at the wrong areas. With regard to the housing situation, the planning system needs to be looked at, the restrictions on local authorities need to be looked at and the changing demographic of the population (more single-person households, people living longer, etc) need to be looked at and better accounted for. Immigration is probably a contributing factor, but it is far from the only one. And I’ve got to say that most of the Eastern European immigrants I’ve met seem like decent hard working people who are prepared to work to ‘better themselves’. I can’t speak about the other groups as down here in Somerset, we don’t really have any. (We don’t actually have many E.Europeans either, but there are a few). What about you; Do you see uncontrolled immigration as the biggest factor in those things? And, if so, what are your iseas to 'turn off the tap'? THE huge number of migrants flooding into Germany has sparked a terrifying neo-Nazi revival which is threatening to plunge the country into anarchy !
There are plenty of examples of the rise of Nazism out there, this is just a taste of what is going on if this does not concern people then fine, sweep it under the carpet at your peril, I do attribute most of the rise in Nazism in Europe down to mass uncontrolled immigration as do many others. Personally I would restrict the numbers by targeting the people we require (skill sets, self financing individuals) to be here similar to the Australian system, hopefully if we do ever manage to deliver Brexit it will restrict the numbers coming in from the EU, then we need to start using the procedures in place to restrict immigrants from outside the EU which are already in place that we have chosen to ignore for some reason.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 7, 2019 12:07:35 GMT
“ The supposed growth of right wing fascism across Germany and Italy” I don’t know enough about those to comment although there is history of that reaching back to before "uncontrolled mass immigration". “ the stress been put on our NHS, schools, social housing, policing, and benefits systems” I think much of that can be blamed on lack of funding, or sufficient funding targeted at the wrong areas. With regard to the housing situation, the planning system needs to be looked at, the restrictions on local authorities need to be looked at and the changing demographic of the population (more single-person households, people living longer, etc) need to be looked at and better accounted for. Immigration is probably a contributing factor, but it is far from the only one. And I’ve got to say that most of the Eastern European immigrants I’ve met seem like decent hard working people who are prepared to work to ‘better themselves’. I can’t speak about the other groups as down here in Somerset, we don’t really have any. (We don’t actually have many E.Europeans either, but there are a few). What about you; Do you see uncontrolled immigration as the biggest factor in those things? And, if so, what are your iseas to 'turn off the tap'? THE huge number of migrants flooding into Germany has sparked a terrifying neo-Nazi revival which is threatening to plunge the country into anarchy !
There are plenty of examples of the rise of Nazism out there, this is just a taste of what is going on if this does not concern people then fine, sweep it under the carpet at your peril, I do attribute most of the rise in Nazism in Europe down to mass uncontrolled immigration as do many others. Personally I would restrict the numbers by targeting the people we require (skill sets, self financing individuals) to be here similar to the Australian system, hopefully if we do ever manage to deliver Brexit it will restrict the numbers coming in from the EU, then we need to start using the procedures in place to restrict immigrants from outside the EU which are already in place that we have chosen to ignore for some reason.
This is one of the curious things isn't it? The powers are already in place to restrict the numbers of immigrants from both EU and non-EU (ie, the rest of the world) locations and yet successive governments (Con, Lab & Con/Lib) refuse to use them. Why is that, do you think? It totally puzzles me.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2019 12:29:16 GMT
THE huge number of migrants flooding into Germany has sparked a terrifying neo-Nazi revival which is threatening to plunge the country into anarchy !
There are plenty of examples of the rise of Nazism out there, this is just a taste of what is going on if this does not concern people then fine, sweep it under the carpet at your peril, I do attribute most of the rise in Nazism in Europe down to mass uncontrolled immigration as do many others. Personally I would restrict the numbers by targeting the people we require (skill sets, self financing individuals) to be here similar to the Australian system, hopefully if we do ever manage to deliver Brexit it will restrict the numbers coming in from the EU, then we need to start using the procedures in place to restrict immigrants from outside the EU which are already in place that we have chosen to ignore for some reason.
This is one of the curious things isn't it? The powers are already in place to restrict the numbers of immigrants from both EU and non-EU (ie, the rest of the world) locations and yet successive governments (Con, Lab & Con/Lib) refuse to use them. Why is that, do you think? It totally puzzles me. No idea mate maybe they are afraid of been labelled with the racist tag that is thrown around willy nilly nowadays, the biggest worry for me is that certainly in Germany and Italy failure to address the mass immigration will lead to civil war which could easily spread across Europe as a whole, liberalism has a lot to answer for here for me.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 7, 2019 12:51:51 GMT
No. You haven't, they have. It is the same over here in large areas. Many (not all) ethnic groups choose to live in their own 'select' areas and mix with 'their own type'. Some don't, and mix hapily with us natives. But too many choose separatism in my opinion. I get it. Over here we have a rather strict queue system to appartments. Inner city appartments have a waiting list of up to 25 years in various areas. Only the appartments in the suburbans north of our city are available within 4 years. It would be weird if the immigrants could pass almost everybody in the longer queues, wouldn't it? But of course, there are other ways as well to integrate. Musik, Is there any kind of points system or other control system in place in Sweden to restrict immigrant numbers from within the EU or the rest of the world? If so, does it work, and how does it work. If not, could you see Sweden following the same path as described by Crapslinger above?
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Post by yeokel on Nov 7, 2019 12:54:21 GMT
This is one of the curious things isn't it? The powers are already in place to restrict the numbers of immigrants from both EU and non-EU (ie, the rest of the world) locations and yet successive governments (Con, Lab & Con/Lib) refuse to use them. Why is that, do you think? It totally puzzles me. No idea mate maybe they are afraid of been labelled with the racist tag that is thrown around willy nilly nowadays, the biggest worry for me is that certainly in Germany and Italy failure to address the mass immigration will lead to civil war which could easily spread across Europe as a whole, liberalism has a lot to answer for here for me. I fear some sort of EU civil war too, but I don't think immigration will be the cause of it. (although it is not inconceivable that it might be the spark which sets it off in certain areas)
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Post by musik on Nov 7, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
Sweden. If we separate economics for a while. The best way to look at the temperature isn't the often used GNP, growth, unemployment alone, nominal wages or that kind of measures, but the Real wages. What do I GET for the money? Since the 1950s it has been all downhill here in Sweden, in that case.
So basically, a population growth of any kind, it really doesn't matter if it was the swedes themselves, the immigrants from Poland, former Yugoslavia or the recents flows of people from Africa, the Middle East and so on: a population growth is always a bad thing if the nation was near the maximum state to begin with, especially if it's a rapid one.
No jobs on the labour market, no appartments to rent, not enough child care or health care, a pension system just about in balance.
Then of course, you can always add other aspects.
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Post by musik on Nov 7, 2019 13:48:41 GMT
Is there any kind of points system or other control system in place in Sweden to restrict immigrant numbers from within the EU or the rest of the world? If so, does it work, and how does it work. If not, could you see Sweden following the same path as described by Crapslinger above? After the mass immigration here, in time every political party from V (Left, former VP Communists) to the CD (ChristDemocrats), said we have had too much people coming in. No wonder when The Swedish Institute have acted the way they've done ... saying on their website "Come to Sweden to get free health care if you're here illegally and have several children benefits from our welfare system" ... in the furious debate over here this week. Namely, it hasn't changed yet I think, but they've promised to edit that. We had absolutely no control of anything a few years back. If you haven't got any papers, there surely must be someone in your homeland that could identify you? Family member, neighbour, school mates, the authorities, the police? We waved them in while trying to investigate that, which took too long and often failed in the end. I know we did put a "stop" to this. But even if it has dramatically dimished the flow of immigrants, it isn't a total stop. They say we are at EU minimum levels now, but you have to know that minimum level isn't a fixed level. It is an interval. And we're at the top in that interval, and still just as many immigrants as our closest 3-4 neighbours accept altogether. But it's a big difference compared to a few years back. Our Prime Minister (SocialDemocrats) said we follow the agreement with the EU. It seems to work ok now. But frankly, most of the debate in the media here now is about sending people back and how to get other countries to accept them. Noone wants IS-warriors back it seems, for instance. Our ordinary parties in the government are saying the ultra right wing rules large parts of Europe already just as they see Donald Trump, but it's a question of definition obviously. What is ultra right wing, and what is a right wing anyway? Could the Conservatives be considered Right wing? ChristDemocrats? Here on the Left to Right scale, parties are now often presented like this, from left to right: V (The Left Party) SD (SocialDemocrats) MP (Climate Party) C (Center Party, Peasants) L (Liberals) SD (SwedenDemocrats) M (The Conservatives) CD (ChristDemocrats) Of course we have other parties as well, but for instance Alternative for Sweden made a terrible election last time, reaching 0.3% or something I think. I don't see a strong movement here outside of the 8 parties.
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Post by musik on Nov 7, 2019 14:04:10 GMT
I fear some sort of EU civil war too, but I don't think immigration will be the cause of it. (although it is not inconceivable that it might be the spark which sets it off in certain areas) I'm absolutely certain immigration will be the cause of a war across the whole of Europe and it will happen within 3 decades. Maybe it will be my last experience in this life, maybe not. But the cause won't be cultural, political, religious ... it will be caused by CLIMATE CHANGES! When people from dried out countries and lakes start to move by foot, by car, by buses from parts of Asia, Africa, the Middle East up north. 200 to 1200 million people within 2-3 decades according to official predictions. What do we do then? So the best way to save and help India and the rest of Asia, Africa, The Middle East and so on ... AND to save ourselves, is to improve the climate! You don't have to be left wing to understand that, I'm not.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 7, 2019 14:21:05 GMT
Is there any kind of points system or other control system in place in Sweden to restrict immigrant numbers from within the EU or the rest of the world? If so, does it work, and how does it work. If not, could you see Sweden following the same path as described by Crapslinger above? After the mass immigration here, in time every political party from V (Left, former VP Communists) to the CD (ChristDemocrats), said we have had too much people coming in. No wonder when The Swedish Institute have acted the way they've done ... saying on their website "Come to Sweden to get free health care if you're here illegally and have several children benefits from our welfare system" ... in the furious debate over here this week. Namely, it hasn't changed yet I think, but they've promised to edit that. We had absolutely no control of anything a few years back. If you haven't got any papers, there surely must be someone in your homeland that could identify you? Family member, neighbour, school mates, the authorities, the police? We waved them in while trying to investigate that, which took too long and often failed in the end. I know we did put a "stop" to this. But even if it has dramatically dimished the flow of immigrants, it isn't a total stop. They say we are at EU minimum levels now, but you have to know that minimum level isn't a fixed level. It is an interval. And we're at the top in that interval, and still just as many immigrants as our closest 3-4 neighbours accept altogether. But it's a big difference compared to a few years back. Our Prime Minister (SocialDemocrats) said we follow the agreement with the EU. It seems to work ok now. But frankly, most of the debate in the media here now is about sending people back and how to get other countries to accept them. Noone wants IS-warriors back it seems, for instance. Our ordinary parties in the government are saying the ultra right wing rules large parts of Europe already just as they see Donald Trump, but it's a question of definition obviously. What is ultra right wing, and what is a right wing anyway? Could the Conservatives be considered Right wing? ChristDemocrats? Here on the Left to Right scale, parties are now often presented like this, from left to right: V (The Left Party) SD (SocialDemocrats) MP (Climate Party) C (Center Party, Peasants) L (Liberals) SD (SwedenDemocrats) M (The Conservatives) CD (ChristDemocrats) Of course we have other parties as well, but for instance Alternative for Sweden made a terrible election last time, reaching 0.3% or something I think. I don't see a strong movement here outside of the 8 parties. Thank you. That's an interesting answer which I'll spend a few days absorbing. " What is ultra right wing, and what is a right wing anyway?" That is a question to which there is no fixed answer. To some on this messageboard, ultra-right describes someone who might use a taxi to get home from the theatre instead of catching a bus! It is a very flexible term.
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Post by musik on Nov 13, 2019 12:17:55 GMT
Yesterday, ten idiots robbed a teenager in central Gothenburg, cut off one of his ears and stole everything except his underwear: wallet, mobile phones, clothes (and keys I assume). He had never seen them before.
They come in larger groups now. And it happens all the time. It should make the politicians think about the death penalty again or at least 500 years sentences.
It will be a messy future within 10 years.
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Post by musik on Nov 13, 2019 18:39:24 GMT
About 15 hours later, same city: stabbing of two people on the tram in the city in broad daylight with about 50 witnesses. One guy died and the other one fighting for his life at this moment.
I've never seen that myself on a tram personally, a stabbing, only a fat bastard spitting for no reason in my face several times and another time did I sit on the same almost empty late night tram as a man with a bomb! The police came.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2019 19:32:11 GMT
About 15 hours later, same city: stabbing of two people on the tram in the city in broad daylight with about 50 witnesses. One guy died and the other one fighting for his life at this moment. I've never seen that myself on a tram personally, a stabbing, only a fat bastard spitting for no reason in my face several times and another time did I sit on the same almost empty late night tram as a man with a bomb! The police came. Good God it's sounding like London, is this violence confined to urban areas ? the breakdown of law seems to have happened in a relatively short space of time, reading reports from various sources it has likely links to mass immigration though that is conjecture of course and those reports may be false news
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Post by musik on Nov 13, 2019 20:48:49 GMT
Good God it's sounding like London, is this violence confined to urban areas ? the breakdown of law seems to have happened in a relatively short space of time About Gothenburg: a few years ago these things didn't happen in the city at all, but in the northern suburban areas. Now it has spread and most crimes are committed towards the working population in the city center. People at some offices even have to have guards with them to get some lunch nowadays. Beggars are going into the libraries disturbing people even though we have a law against it; they aren't allowed to go inside and beg. Not all of them know that I guess, and it's difficult when they don't know neither swedish nor english. And at some food stores people with false IDs are actually blocking the entrances to make people give money to made up organizations. I never let them stop me of course. Sometimes it's hard to separate these from the real ones. However, noone gets anything. Malmoe used to be the #1 problem city in Sweden. But recently I think Gothenburg is just as bad. And on tv here a month ago, we were told the Police in Malmoe have adviced the people to leave their home town. Just like in those old wild west movies about a Ghost town - or in a Lucky Luke comics book for that matter. And of course the capital city Stockholm has it's own problems. But my feeling is most reports are from Gothenburg and then Malmoe atm. I've said this almost all my life: Most problems could be solved by some new proper laws. Then it really doesn't matter where these creatures came from, Sweden or from somewhere else. And when it's done, let's see who are left. Equality under the law. No questions asked.
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Post by musik on Nov 19, 2019 11:06:03 GMT
The new leader of the Liberals, Sabuni, declared yesterday they want to mix all the immigrants with the swedish people in all different parts of our cities. This way they avoid segregation and the immigrants become integrated, according to her.
But isn't integration more than just mixing people? Learning the language, getting a job, learn about our rules, laws, traditions and culture for a start?
This will only lead to envy furious swedes who have waited 10-25 years in queues already to get these appartments they talk about.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 19, 2019 11:27:59 GMT
The new leader of the Liberals, Sabuni, declared yesterday they want to mix all the immigrants with the swedish people in all different parts of our cities. This way they avoid segregation and the immigrants become integrated, according to her. But isn't integration more than just mixing people? Learning the language, getting a job, learn about our rules, laws, traditions and culture for a start? This will only lead to envy furious swedes who have waited 10-25 years in queues already to get these appartments they talk about. It's happening here. They have let too many people in too quickly. Services are creaking but they won't admit it. We have to be on board with multiculturalism, no matter what our personal experience. Read Douglas Murray's thoughts on this. In my opinion, he's summed it up perfectly.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 19, 2019 12:34:05 GMT
The new leader of the Liberals, Sabuni, declared yesterday they want to mix all the immigrants with the swedish people in all different parts of our cities. This way they avoid segregation and the immigrants become integrated, according to her. But isn't integration more than just mixing people? Learning the language, getting a job, learn about our rules, laws, traditions and culture for a start? This will only lead to envy furious swedes who have waited 10-25 years in queues already to get these appartments they talk about. It's happening here. They have let too many people in too quickly. Services are creaking but they won't admit it. We have to be on board with multiculturalism, no matter what our personal experience. Read Douglas Murray's thoughts on this. In my opinion, he's summed it up perfectly. Apparently mass immigration has no bearing on the NHS and it's problems well according to the left wing libtards on here anyway, yet it has been stated that increased demands are the problem, go figure that one out.
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Post by mattyd on Nov 19, 2019 12:40:05 GMT
In 3 maybe 4 generations simple maths says that indigenous Europeans will be outnumbered by non white people. Due to uncontrolled immigration, people leaving and mainly far higher childbirth rates in predominantly Asian communities.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 19, 2019 12:43:12 GMT
In 3 maybe 4 generations simple maths says that indigenous Europeans will be outnumbered by non white people. Due to uncontrolled immigration, people leaving and mainly far higher childbirth rates in predominantly Asian communities. I wonder if the commies sorry Labour get into power they will restrict birth rates as The peoples republic of China has done ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 19, 2019 12:48:11 GMT
It's happening here. They have let too many people in too quickly. Services are creaking but they won't admit it. We have to be on board with multiculturalism, no matter what our personal experience. Read Douglas Murray's thoughts on this. In my opinion, he's summed it up perfectly. Apparently mass immigration has no bearing on the NHS and it's problems well according to the left wing libtards on here anyway, yet it has been stated that increased demands are the problem, go figure that one out. Not keen on that word, but agree on your basic point. It's blindingly obvious that services are struggling in part due to it. I know children's services are from someone who works there. Nobody in power admits it because they have all been party to it.
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