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Post by adi on Sept 30, 2019 14:50:26 GMT
"We are top of the table in terms of some of our stats apart from results". Would one of those stats be 'complete fucking gobshite spouted by a football manager'? Goals conceded.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 30, 2019 14:52:03 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 30, 2019 14:54:20 GMT
One individual error is the changing of central defenders all the time, there's no need if they're not injured or have had collected cards. One position you should not change is central defence. No wonder Butland acts unsecure at times. Not all our 5 central defenders play the exact same way, even if they're possibly told to. I wish Ryan wasn't injured and he could play with Collins in most of the games. Well that's like telling the manager he cannot speak English, i.e. it's a central part of Jones' identity that he must show his immense tactical acumen by changing players every day. Of course that's all in the emporor's new clothes category. Stability is what we need. This individual error of NJ's make ground for more individual errors. Most managers in the world, not only TP, are concerned and worried when they're not able to play their regular central defenders. NJ does it voluntarily. It's like they're in pre-season still trying things out ...
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 30, 2019 14:54:27 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 30, 2019 15:06:08 GMT
I take full responsibility, except I don’t really as it’s other people’s fault...
He went from having endearing foibles to stark raving deluded.
We’re fucked
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 30, 2019 15:10:40 GMT
"I have to take the blame because I pick the players that make errors". "I have to take responsibility for the teams I pick but you can't legislate for the things which have happened" Buggered if I know what he's on about? So contradicting himself saying he takes the blame for picking the individual but you cannot legislate for the mistakes that are happening, I take it by the individuals
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 30, 2019 15:16:16 GMT
"We are top of the table in terms of some of our stats apart from results". Would one of those stats be 'complete fucking gobshite spouted by a football manager'? Goals conceded. Misplaced passes, crosses that don't beat the first man, individual errors, most team changes, bad luck, excuses, work done behind the scenes blah blah fucking blah you needs to stop digging the hole is deep enough deluded half wit.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 30, 2019 15:33:40 GMT
"I have to take the blame because I pick the players that make errors". "I have to take responsibility for the teams I pick but you can't legislate for the things which have happened" Buggered if I know what he's on about? So contradicting himself saying he takes the blame for picking the individual but you cannot legislate for the mistakes that are happening, I take it by the individuals I'm a bit confused. He is taking responsibility for the team that is picked, but saying he can't take the blame for the errors that the players make. What's wrong with that?
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Post by questionable on Sept 30, 2019 16:29:19 GMT
"I have to take the blame because I pick the players that make errors". "I have to take responsibility for the teams I pick but you can't legislate for the things which have happened" Buggered if I know what he's on about? Yes Nath spot on mate, so answer this please why keep selecting JM at LB when he can’t even play football that good, oh that’s it you allowed our only recognised LB to leave without a replacement Delusional totally delusional
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 30, 2019 16:40:24 GMT
We would be top in the way we start games,it's just a pity that games last 90 fucking minutes Mr. Jones.
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Post by stokief on Sept 30, 2019 16:47:56 GMT
What's this 'leadership group' malarkey he keeps coming out with? Whilst I appreciate there are always players within a team that morph into the 'Prefects' eg, Huth, Whelan, SJW is it right to talk about them as though he's put them in place himself? If indeed he has, why has he? Surely this creates a 'them and us' within the side? This sort of clique normally forms but is an unspoken part of dressing room life. He should try being the bloody leader then he'd maybe command a bit of respect. I guess the ones he refers to are really just the ones that still call him gaffer without sniggering I'm not however, at a beaten-down management crossroads of thinking. If TP's not coming back then I think I'd rather stick with Nathan. My other faint unrealistic hope was that Hughton would come and Nath would carry on as head coach or summat. Failing that I can't bear the other possibilities!
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Post by musik on Sept 30, 2019 17:06:04 GMT
I'm a bit confused. He is taking responsibility for the team that is picked, but saying he can't take the blame for the errors that the players make. What's wrong with that? What he means is every player in the squad make individual errors now and then. No manager can be responsible for them. What he should do is to pick the ones with the lowest expected rate of errors. And STICK to them.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 30, 2019 17:14:58 GMT
I'm a bit confused. He is taking responsibility for the team that is picked, but saying he can't take the blame for the errors that the players make. What's wrong with that? What he means is every player in the squad make individual errors now and then. No manager can be responsible for them. What he should do is to pick the ones with the lowest expected rate of errors. And STICK to them. That's a separate debate though. I was quoting people based on them saying they're "buggered if they know what hes on about" and being "contradicting" I've mentioned on another thread it's extremely easy for us to sit here and be stating Jack Butland should be dropped for X amount of time. But when you're in the building working with an ex england international at the age of 26 with a serious amount of PL experience there wouldnt be many who stick to their guns. Add onto that none of us have any idea what Federici or Davies are like in training (attitude/application) etc.. I'm sick of seeing everything he says being spun into an attack on someone who to me has given everything to the role, and until we have someone lined up who is considerably better we need to be behind him. "If you're going through hell, keep going"
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Post by emery1985 on Sept 30, 2019 17:39:34 GMT
No urgent meals to eat this time and Nathan is back in the hot seat. “The mood has never been bad” Is he joking? - maybe that’s the problem. None of these fucking spastics we have playing for us are taking it seriously. How is he still in charge? I despair.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 30, 2019 17:54:31 GMT
No they’re not. They’re worse than us, if that’s even possible, and we should batter them
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Post by kustokie on Sept 30, 2019 17:55:48 GMT
"We are top of the table in terms of some of our stats apart from results". Would one of those stats be 'complete fucking gobshite spouted by a football manager'? Goals conceded. And cock ups by the goal keeper.
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Post by musik on Sept 30, 2019 19:04:00 GMT
What he means is every player in the squad make individual errors now and then. No manager can be responsible for them. What he should do is to pick the ones with the lowest expected rate of errors. And STICK to them. That's a separate debate though. I was quoting people based on them saying they're "buggered if they know what hes on about" and being "contradicting" I've mentioned on another thread it's extremely easy for us to sit here and be stating Jack Butland should be dropped for X amount of time. But when you're in the building working with an ex england international at the age of 26 with a serious amount of PL experience there wouldnt be many who stick to their guns. Add onto that none of us have any idea what Federici or Davies are like in training (attitude/application) etc.. I'm sick of seeing everything he says being spun into an attack on someone who to me has given everything to the role, and until we have someone lined up who is considerably better we need to be behind him. "If you're going through hell, keep going" I just replied to what you wrote in that post. I have no problem with Jack at all. He's our best keeper, and if he had played vs Crawley possibly we'd still be in the cup by now. As I see it, part of the problem is that NJ makes too many changes all the time. We need some stability. First and foremost in central defence. It would diminish the errors.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 30, 2019 19:08:56 GMT
Has there ever EVER been a manager like this fellow? Jim Jones, Jones Town United.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 30, 2019 19:10:55 GMT
"I have to take the blame because I pick the players that make errors". "I have to take responsibility for the teams I pick but you can't legislate for the things which have happened" Buggered if I know what he's on about? So contradicting himself saying he takes the blame for picking the individual but you cannot legislate for the mistakes that are happening, I take it by the individuals Well spotted.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 30, 2019 20:58:32 GMT
That's a separate debate though. I was quoting people based on them saying they're "buggered if they know what hes on about" and being "contradicting" I've mentioned on another thread it's extremely easy for us to sit here and be stating Jack Butland should be dropped for X amount of time. But when you're in the building working with an ex england international at the age of 26 with a serious amount of PL experience there wouldnt be many who stick to their guns. Add onto that none of us have any idea what Federici or Davies are like in training (attitude/application) etc.. I'm sick of seeing everything he says being spun into an attack on someone who to me has given everything to the role, and until we have someone lined up who is considerably better we need to be behind him. "If you're going through hell, keep going" I just replied to what you wrote in that post. I have no problem with Jack at all. He's our best keeper, and if he had played vs Crawley possibly we'd still be in the cup by now. As I see it, part of the problem is that NJ makes too many changes all the time. We need some stability. First and foremost in central defence. It would diminish the errors. I think we agree 😁. Your comment about the least 'expected' errors would throw Jack Butland into the spotlight though as to me he has probably been the most error prone so far so his expectancy would be quite high, surely? I might just be nit picking at your comment though as I'm in a bad mood with the current situation. Totally agree about a settled backline though. What that backline is however, is anyone's guess.
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Post by musik on Oct 1, 2019 7:26:59 GMT
There are a few things to be said about NJ at this press conference.
I'm not totally sure about this, but it seems he says they can't prevent these errors to happen. What? It frightens me.
On the contrary, they really can minimize the risk for these errors to happen. By endlessly practising different situations.
Look at the videos, and analyze where and when the faults are commited. Ask the defensive player on the training ground, "if he does this, does that, what do you do", and make sure they make the right moves and in time, to prevent the crosses from going in. Of course there will be crosses anyway - but then the defenders should be absolutely sure what to do. Again, part of the problem is too much lineup changes. It would be nice to see the same goalie plus central defenders at least in some games in a row.
It was nice to finally see - after two months - their goal was to bring in a high quality striker but they failed to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 11:36:52 GMT
To be fair to him, I think he's handling the pressure pretty well.
I know he's talking a load of bollocks in front of the cameras, but hes been doing that ever since he got here.
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Post by tony1234 on Oct 1, 2019 11:48:12 GMT
We would be top in the way we start games,it's just a pity that games last 90 fucking minutes Mr. Jones. Opposing team manager talk: "Okay guys, we need to get 3pts today. We haven't got a clue how they will set up, because they don't. So, let's just keep it tight and try not to concede for the first 20, then we'll know what they are up to anda adapt shape if we need to. After that, we'll either revert to Plan A or Plan B to get the ball to <Right winger> and target McClean. And any chance we get target crosses and always press - GK and CBs are frail at the moment. Keep knocking their confidence and a mistake will come. Okay guys, lets go take candy from kids."
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