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Oct 9, 2019 21:53:59 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Oct 9, 2019 21:53:59 GMT
We are indeed cursed. When I was a kid I had a mate lived in the gypsy camp by the Fowl Lea Brook, bottom of Mare's fields between Hartshill and Cliffe Vale, we all called them the Romany Boswells. The D road's there now. After we won the league cup he told me we won that cos the gypsy curse ran out the year before. He said they'd renewed the curse for another 100 years, so SCFC is cursed til 2072. He's a sound lad and straight up and no reason lie to me. I mentioned this the other day in the "If...." thread. The curse was because the club evicted a Romany gypsy camp ftom a field in Stoke so they could have the football ground there. Wasn't 100 years punishment enough! Bloody minded Gypsies!
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Oct 9, 2019 21:58:35 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Oct 9, 2019 21:58:35 GMT
I'm convinced the Romany think they've cursed us. Whether curses are real is a matter of opinion obviously. The consensus in the science community is the paranormal isn't proved yet, though having studied quantum physics I would debate that Yeah I'm kinda convinced it's real sadly :/ Musta been under Jez's watch, I don't think Scholes was around in 1871! Weird you can't dislike my post, cos I can dislike posts in this browser. Shame cos I've never had a post disliked before Lol. Was definitely a dislike of the meaning behind your post as opposed your actual post π 1871, that must of been under Dudley Kernicks watch! 'Who the hell was Dudley Kernick'!! In 100 years time they'll be saying "Who the hell was Mark Hughes?" (or Lambert/Rowett/Jones/Etc). Perhaps there's some small consolation that what we're going through will be seen as "insignificant" in 100 years?
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Post by march4 on Oct 9, 2019 22:08:02 GMT
Without any reason or foundation I think Clayton Woods is cursed! Are we sure it wasn't an ancient burial ground? The Victoria Ground was!
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Oct 9, 2019 22:11:43 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Oct 9, 2019 22:11:43 GMT
Anybody can lay a curse if so minded. Gypsies are just associated with curses to such a great extent as it is part of their culture and as a result it is second nature or habitual for them to use them. As I say anyone can use or cast curses. The strength or effectiveness of a curse depends upon the nature and strength of the intent as related to the users invocation. The stronger the belief or conviction that it will work, the more potent the "message" in use. In many cultures, especially in older or primitive societies, the mere fact of a curse being laid was often sufficient for it to have an impact. Fear, credulity, imagination and supersition did the rest. The probability of a curse being effective depended as much upon the recipient or target as the initiator. If everyone "believed" that a curse was active then that is/was all that was required for it to have some effect. If you look into football in general it is surprising how many stories of curses exist or are perpetuated regarding particular clubs, usually without any particular substance or proof. Usually such stories surface or are retold by fans whose clubs are having a particularly bad time, and usually they follow a familiar pattern, and almost always seem to historically involve Gypsies. Hence the Barry Fry story that is a particularly memorable example. It is also curious that most stories of curses in football relate to performances in the FA Cup, although that is perhaps no surprise because of the very high occurence of superstition and ritual that seems to attach to the competition. I dont believe that Stoke are cursed, but they may certainly be on an incredible run of bad luck. The thing is that once you feel as individuals that luck is against you it is like a self fullfilling prophecy. You are in a situation where you are simply waiting for things to go wrong, although that may be an unfounded or irrational expectation, and if you are expecting something to go wrong then it probably will. All the bad breaks and unlucky incidents seem to be magnified in effect and importance. In all situations of this nature it can be the simplest thing that can act to change your perspective or point of view. If you feel particularly that you are in a run of bad luck it just needs some often little thing to go in your favour and break the cycle. In football terms this might be a simple but significant event like the ball going into the opposition net off their defender, or the wind carrying your goalkeepers long kick into the net at the other end. Suddenly you can believe that the Gods are on your side at last and everything looks different. As a young, newly married man, I was living in an apartment. One Sunday morning, I was working on my balcony building a small storage unit. It had a lot of nails to hold the "cardboardish" back in place. While happily banging away, our old neighbor came out on his balcony (there was a wall between them and one couldn't see onto the next balcony) and shouted "I wish that guy would hit his finger!" . I chuckled and kept right on banging away. About 5 seconds later ....... You guessed it ... hit my finger full force! I jumped around sucking my finger but absolutely determined not to let the sod next door know what had happened! Moral of the story? ... Curses are a load of tripe!
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Oct 9, 2019 22:36:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 22:36:00 GMT
Anybody can lay a curse if so minded. Gypsies are just associated with curses to such a great extent as it is part of their culture and as a result it is second nature or habitual for them to use them. As I say anyone can use or cast curses. The strength or effectiveness of a curse depends upon the nature and strength of the intent as related to the users invocation. The stronger the belief or conviction that it will work, the more potent the "message" in use. In many cultures, especially in older or primitive societies, the mere fact of a curse being laid was often sufficient for it to have an impact. Fear, credulity, imagination and supersition did the rest. The probability of a curse being effective depended as much upon the recipient or target as the initiator. If everyone "believed" that a curse was active then that is/was all that was required for it to have some effect. If you look into football in general it is surprising how many stories of curses exist or are perpetuated regarding particular clubs, usually without any particular substance or proof. Usually such stories surface or are retold by fans whose clubs are having a particularly bad time, and usually they follow a familiar pattern, and almost always seem to historically involve Gypsies. Hence the Barry Fry story that is a particularly memorable example. It is also curious that most stories of curses in football relate to performances in the FA Cup, although that is perhaps no surprise because of the very high occurence of superstition and ritual that seems to attach to the competition. I dont believe that Stoke are cursed, but they may certainly be on an incredible run of bad luck. The thing is that once you feel as individuals that luck is against you it is like a self fullfilling prophecy. You are in a situation where you are simply waiting for things to go wrong, although that may be an unfounded or irrational expectation, and if you are expecting something to go wrong then it probably will. All the bad breaks and unlucky incidents seem to be magnified in effect and importance. In all situations of this nature it can be the simplest thing that can act to change your perspective or point of view. If you feel particularly that you are in a run of bad luck it just needs some often little thing to go in your favour and break the cycle. In football terms this might be a simple but significant event like the ball going into the opposition net off their defender, or the wind carrying your goalkeepers long kick into the net at the other end. Suddenly you can believe that the Gods are on your side at last and everything looks different. As a young, newly married man, I was living in an apartment. One Sunday morning, I was working on my balcony building a small storage unit. It had a lot of nails to hold the "cardboardish" back in place. While happily banging away, our old neighbor came out on his balcony (there was a wall between them and one couldn't see onto the next balcony) and shouted "I wish that guy would hit his finger!" . I chuckled and kept right on banging away. About 5 seconds later ....... You guessed it ... hit my finger full force! I jumped around sucking my finger but absolutely determined not to let the sod next door know what had happened! Moral of the story? ... Curses are a load of tripe! Well there may, or may not be curses, but there will always be silly sods that hit their fingers with hammers.
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Cursed
Oct 10, 2019 7:02:14 GMT
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Post by marrer on Oct 10, 2019 7:02:14 GMT
As a young, newly married man, I was living in an apartment. One Sunday morning, I was working on my balcony building a small storage unit. It had a lot of nails to hold the "cardboardish" back in place. While happily banging away, our old neighbor came out on his balcony (there was a wall between them and one couldn't see onto the next balcony) and shouted "I wish that guy would hit his finger!" . I chuckled and kept right on banging away. About 5 seconds later ....... You guessed it ... hit my finger full force! I jumped around sucking my finger but absolutely determined not to let the sod next door know what had happened! Moral of the story? ... Curses are a load of tripe! Well there may, or may not be curses, but there will always be silly sods that hit their fingers with hammers. I remember banging away in a balcony back in the mid nineties. Sheβs now my wife!
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