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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 30, 2019 12:38:30 GMT
Is this the right room for Psychological and Philosophical debate?
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Post by northstaffycher on Sept 30, 2019 12:47:52 GMT
Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's time for Yuri Geller...
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Sept 30, 2019 12:51:48 GMT
Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 12:51:48 GMT
Personally I don't follow Christianity. I see it as a relatively modern formalism of spirituality and morals. If by "It's all" you mean paranormal phenonema in general, then the jury's still out on that. I'll quote professor Dean Radin, a physicist and leading paranormal researcher: "Psi has been shown to exist in thousands of experiments. There are disagreements over how to interprets the evidence, but the fact is that virtually all scientists who have studied the evidence, including the hard nosed sceptics, now agree that something interesting is going on that merits serious scientific attention. Very few scientists and science journalists are aware of this dramatic shift in informed opinion." You're entitled to your opinion of course, but this stuff can't simply be dismissed as tripe. In my opinion. Fair enough Dave I totally respect your view but I just can't see how any human being can possess any sort of magical power to suspend the laws of physics and nature. To say that the Butler st roof blowing off or Kenwyn not connecting with that ball was down to the will of some mere mortal years ago just doesn't hold truck with me I'm afraid.Until science proves otherwise I think I'll agree to disagree. Yeah that's totally cool, I totally respect your opinion too, and I appreciate how you've got me thinking. Something worth bearing in mind, is that the laws of physics and nature that do not allow for this magical power, are the classical physics of the 19th century, which most people assume still hold sway. Quantum physics does allow for this spooky stuff. That's why people like Einstein didn't believe in it. Einstein called quantum entanglement "spooky action at a distance". And the "observer effect", where the mind of the observer has an effect on the experiment.
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Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 12:54:31 GMT
Is this the right room for Psychological and Philosophical debate? Yeah mate, glad you found us
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Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 12:58:15 GMT
Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's time for Yuri Geller... Lol I was just thinking that! Except he only managed move the ball an inch off the penalty spot....it'll tske the combined minds of all of us to make the ball go in the net! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 13:00:36 GMT
I want to know where the pink elephants have all gone. You never see them anymore !
GD
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Sept 30, 2019 13:01:38 GMT
Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 13:01:38 GMT
Looks like I'm on a mission to like and quote every post on this thread! Dunna werrit, I'll probably fall asleep in a bit lol
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Sept 30, 2019 13:03:20 GMT
Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 13:03:20 GMT
I want to know where the pink elephants have all gone. You never see them anymore ! GD They're all round the blue hippopotamus's house!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 13:10:52 GMT
I want to know where the pink elephants have all gone. You never see them anymore ! GD They're all round the blue hippopotamus's house! Hmmm, I do however have grave concerns for the blue pottermiss. I haven't seen her for ages either GD
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Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 13:30:27 GMT
They're all round the blue hippopotamus's house! Hmmm, I do however have grave concerns for the blue pottermiss. I haven't seen her for ages either GD She probably can't get through the door for all the elephants. 😅
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 30, 2019 13:46:05 GMT
I know that the Elephant in the room at the moment is also known as "relegation".
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Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 14:01:00 GMT
I know mate, it's not really funny is it ...anyway, wasn't that a crocodile?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 30, 2019 14:06:23 GMT
Looks like I'm on a mission to like and quote every post on this thread! Dunna werrit, I'll probably fall asleep in a bit lol You may wish to check the work {if you havn't already} of Dr. Emoto and his work on water memory if you're having any doubts that consciousness can alter matter. Or indeed the experiments regarding altering the growth and development of plants through good/ill intent. On an obvious note our Nathan has managed to turn many folk from rational{sort of} human beings into rabid loons, and decent players to shit in under twelve months... while spinning spells, speaking in tongues. He's a bit of a dark magi, in that respect.... But I fear if we asked him to piss in corners in order to lift the curse I just know he'd take a dump in the D's, while telling everyone how great he is at 'pissing in corners'....
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 30, 2019 14:30:55 GMT
In Thailand, where I currently live, it is not uncommon for folk, believing their run of failure or bad luck to be the result of Karma or a curse, to visit a temple in order to seek a name change from a monk...The change of name is meant to confuse Karma or any curse that has been placed on them, making it very difficult for any bad luck to visit its intended victim....
It's just a thought, but maybe old Peter needs to have a chat with those in the know at Leicester and invite someone over to the Bet 365 to change its name and our diabolical misfortune...
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Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 14:44:50 GMT
Looks like I'm on a mission to like and quote every post on this thread! Dunna werrit, I'll probably fall asleep in a bit lol You may wish to check the work {if you havn't already} and his work on water memory if you're having any doubts that consciousness can alter matter. Or indeed the experiments regarding altering the growth and development of plants through good/ill intent. On an obvious note our Nathan has managed to turn many folk from rational{sort of} human beings into rabid loons, and decent players to shit in under twelve months... while spinning spells, speaking in tongues. He's a bit of a dark magi, in that respect.... But I fear if we asked him to piss in corners in order to lift the curse I just know he'd take a dump in the D's, while telling everyone how great he is at 'pissing in corners'.... Yeah, read up a bit on recent discoveries about water, including water memory. They've found thst 40 to 60% of bulk water is quantum coherent, and more so in living cells. In the form of what they call water coherent domains or CDs. These CDs contain trapped electromagnetic fields in a coherent standing wave with characteristic frequencies. The resonant recognition model, RRM. Functional groups of proteins or nucleic acids have wavelengths that can be calculated from the RRM frequency, fRRM. wavelength, l = k/fRRM, where k=201 The wavelengths are in the microwave range.* They found the wavelength for growth hormones in plants and effected accelerated plant growth with microwaves. Because quantum nonlocal effects are involved it is thought consciousness can get involved...it is known that consciousness plays a role in quantum physics. Old name for fRRM analysis is Information Spectrum Method. I reckon I've thought up a way to make crop circles with microwaves and lasers, but I might be being naive lol. Lol I think you might be right about Nathan! ...and now I can't get that image out of my head! 🤣 *edit: the wavelengths are in the infra red, visible, and ultra violet range. The trapped EM fields in the CDs are in the microwave range, I think, lol I've only just started learning this ...worth looking into though I reckon
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Post by adi on Sept 30, 2019 14:47:18 GMT
I think the point is to prove the existence rather than the other way round 🤔😬 I think the point is we can't prove it either way yet, so its a matter of opinion. There's compelling evidence for psychic and spiritual phenomena. No matter how much evidence there is though, things are only considered to be 'proved' in science when there's a consensus. And most people simply are unaware of the evidence that has accrued. I’ll put myself firmly in that camp Dave, I’ve never studied or researched the paranormal. Loved watching Sightings and Unsolved Mysteries when I was a sprogg though 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 15:17:21 GMT
When I was at school teachers were often saying things like “Woe betide anyone who fails to do their homework”
I’m sure they didn’t realise, but they had just laid a curse on homework failures.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 30, 2019 15:33:47 GMT
Without any reason or foundation I think Clayton Woods is cursed! Are we sure it wasn't an ancient burial ground?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 30, 2019 15:34:24 GMT
In Thailand, where I currently live, it is not uncommon for folk, believing their run of failure or bad luck to be the result of Karma or a curse, to visit a temple in order to seek a name change from a monk...The change of name is meant to confuse Karma or any curse that has been placed on them, making it very difficult for any bad luck to visit its intended victim.... It's just a thought, but maybe old Peter needs to have a chat with those in the know at Leicester and invite someone over to the Bet 365 to change its name and our diabolical misfortune... 555
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 30, 2019 15:42:48 GMT
You may wish to check the work {if you havn't already} and his work on water memory if you're having any doubts that consciousness can alter matter. Or indeed the experiments regarding altering the growth and development of plants through good/ill intent. On an obvious note our Nathan has managed to turn many folk from rational{sort of} human beings into rabid loons, and decent players to shit in under twelve months... while spinning spells, speaking in tongues. He's a bit of a dark magi, in that respect.... But I fear if we asked him to piss in corners in order to lift the curse I just know he'd take a dump in the D's, while telling everyone how great he is at 'pissing in corners'.... Yeah, read up a bit on recent discoveries about water, including water memory. They've found thst 40 to 60% of bulk water is quantum coherent, and more so in living cells. In the form of what they call water coherent domains or CDs. These CDs contain trapped electromagnetic fields in a coherent standing wave with characteristic frequencies. The resonant recognition model, RRM. Functional groups of proteins or nucleic acids have wavelengths that can be calculated from the RRM frequency, fRRM. wavelength, l = k/fRRM, where k=201 The wavelengths are in the microwave range. They found the wavelength for growth hormones in plants and effected accelerated plant growth with microwaves. Because quantum nonlocal effects are involved it is thought consciousness can get involved...it is known that consciousness plays a role in quantum physics. Old name for fRRM analysis is Information Spectrum Method. I reckon I've thought up a way to make crop circles with microwaves and lasers, but I might be being naive lol. Yes I believe that Crop Circles, these more complex incarnations are laer/plasma/directable energy military tech. from Salisbury Plain. I don't agree with Quantum Theory. I believe that 'atoms' are energy, light, resonance, frequency, and not divisible into quantum thingies with awkward math. AS you say electro-magnetism is key, the attraction repulsion, self-organising properties is at the heart of the matter of matter. Waves' are a two dimensional expression of the Toroid, compression, induction, z-pinches and such... Fields... But yeah, 'spooky action at a distance happens all the time', and on mundane levels too... The announcement of a team sheet reduces grown men to tears etc. Words manifesting in actions.... etc
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 30, 2019 15:43:12 GMT
Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's time for Yuri Geller... I think he's a Reading fan. Probably explains why they've been doing so well the last few years.
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Post by TheBra1n on Sept 30, 2019 15:57:02 GMT
ive said it before but some paddy took the hump when we twatted liverpoo 6-1 its been a downward spiral ever since, the little fecker needs finding and feeding to a goat
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Post by fulagoals on Sept 30, 2019 16:09:14 GMT
I blame The Butler St roof blowing off! No I don’t I blame Asda pulling out of a deal to buy the Old Victoria Ground! No I don’t I blame Mick Mills! No I don’t I blame the dog shit on the old training ground! No I don’t I blame Steve Foley! No I don’t I blame Peter Coates first time around! No I don’t I blame Peter Coates this time around! No I don’t I blame Tony Scholes! No I don’t I blame Nathan Jones! No I don’t it really must be a curse!
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Post by future100 on Sept 30, 2019 16:16:46 GMT
Christian beliefs,curses, it's all tripe I'm afraid. Prove it. OS. I think the hardest thing to prove would be Christ!
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 30, 2019 16:46:50 GMT
I thought Christ was actually an historical figure, along with many of his contemporaries such as Pontius Pilate.
Mind you in a UK national study a few years back (2008) a surprisingly large number, around 20% of teenagers, were found to believe that Sherlock Holmes was a real person, whilst Winston Churchill was a fictional character.
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Sept 30, 2019 17:18:28 GMT
Post by fulagoals on Sept 30, 2019 17:18:28 GMT
I thought Christ was actually an historical figure, along with many of his contempories such as Pontius Pilate. Mind you in a UK national study a few years back (2008) a surprisingly large number, around 20% of teenagers, were found to believe that Sherlock Holmes was a real person, whilst Winston Churchill was a fictional character. Yeh but 90% of all statistics are actually untrue!
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Sept 30, 2019 17:57:05 GMT
Post by thisisouryear on Sept 30, 2019 17:57:05 GMT
I can't believe how much bad luck we are having, all our stats are good apart from the one that counts. It's individual mistakes too which is bizzare, you might get a few a season but we are having a run of them. It really annoys me because Jones has put together a team that looks like it can win a lot of games and the players have let him down big time so far.
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Sept 30, 2019 18:11:50 GMT
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Post by shooters on Sept 30, 2019 18:11:50 GMT
I got a stoke mug with my name on the back of a shirt with berahino shaq and bojan on it from a west sham fan as a secret santa at work..sort of an apology for arnie at the time. Nice thought but deep down we both knew it was a double bluff to over a relegation spot. I persisted in having the odd pre match morning coffee in it, but purposefully smashed it about easter as we dropped from the prem. West ham gone on to better things. Think it may all be my fault. Sorry all.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 30, 2019 18:21:45 GMT
Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's time for Yuri Geller... We'd probably still f*ck it up. I can picture it now: Choreographed chants of "Bend! Bend! Bend!" As we spoon another set piece over the bar or out for a throw-in.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 30, 2019 18:35:50 GMT
Anybody can lay a curse if so minded. Gypsies are just associated with curses to such a great extent as it is part of their culture and as a result it is second nature or habitual for them to use them. As I say anyone can use or cast curses. The strength or effectiveness of a curse depends upon the nature and strength of the intent as related to the users invocation. The stronger the belief or conviction that it will work, the more potent the "message" in use. In many cultures, especially in older or primitive societies, the mere fact of a curse being laid was often sufficient for it to have an impact. Fear, credulity, imagination and supersition did the rest. The probability of a curse being effective depended as much upon the recipient or target as the initiator. If everyone "believed" that a curse was active then that is/was all that was required for it to have some effect. If you look into football in general it is surprising how many stories of curses exist or are perpetuated regarding particular clubs, usually without any particular substance or proof. Usually such stories surface or are retold by fans whose clubs are having a particularly bad time, and usually they follow a familiar pattern, and almost always seem to historically involve Gypsies. Hence the Barry Fry story that is a particularly memorable example. It is also curious that most stories of curses in football relate to performances in the FA Cup, although that is perhaps no surprise because of the very high occurence of superstition and ritual that seems to attach to the competition. I dont believe that Stoke are cursed, but they may certainly be on an incredible run of bad luck. The thing is that once you feel as individuals that luck is against you it is like a self fullfilling prophecy. You are in a situation where you are simply waiting for things to go wrong, although that may be an unfounded or irrational expectation, and if you are expecting something to go wrong then it probably will. All the bad breaks and unlucky incidents seem to be magnified in effect and importance. In all situations of this nature it can be the simplest thing that can act to change your perspective or point of view. If you feel particularly that you are in a run of bad luck it just needs some often little thing to go in your favour and break the cycle. In football terms this might be a simple but significant event like the ball going into the opposition net off their defender, or the wind carrying your goalkeepers long kick into the net at the other end. Suddenly you can believe that the Gods are on your side at last and everything looks different. Nice one you took it to the next level! Of course, we don't need the curse lifted. Its all in the mind, we can just collectively decide it's not effective. I do believe the gypsies did curse us, but like you say, that doesn't mean it has to work. It all being in the mind doesn't mean it's not real, quite the opposite, it implies it IS real, and that it's up to us what that reality is. The view of things, the paradigm, that quantum physics implies, would suggest that the whole universe is in he mind, and quite a few physicists view it that way, including some eminent and famous ones. Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time. Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't. Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that...
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