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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 17:55:27 GMT
Barcelona played with diamond formations all through Bojan's youth career. Barca's entire doctrine at La Masia since the 90s and Cruyff's management has been a commitment to playing the diamond "bollox". It’s bollox then if only because Jones cannot make it work even having brought in a full team of his own players. It makes it even more ludicrous that he let Bojan go with your assertions that he played in such a formation for much of his youth career. In a rare moment of clarity Jones realised he was out of his depth if there were players of Bojan's class around. So he stopped playing him and then got rid. Then he signed Cousins.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 26, 2019 18:03:37 GMT
It’s bollox then if only because Jones cannot make it work even having brought in a full team of his own players. It makes it even more ludicrous that he let Bojan go with your assertions that he played in such a formation for much of his youth career. In a rare moment of clarity Jones realised he was out of his depth if there were players of Bojan's class around. So he stopped playing him and then got rid. Then he signed Cousins. As much as I wanted Nathan to succeed I'm afraid you've hit nail squarely on head there, Rowett too was also frightened and didn't know what to make of a talented footballer who couldn't tackle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:04:00 GMT
Bojan should still be here. It will be a long long time till we get another talent like him through our doors. Stoke failed themselves the fans and Bojan massively in how they have handled this whole affair. Just wish someone at the club would have the decency to make some sort of statement apologising for the right fookin mess they are making of things. But they don't do accountability do they. Maybe when they see a crowd of sub 10k tomorrow the bells might go off in their thick skulls. And I know I am in for some abuse here (not bothered) but to me the whole Bojan situation really highlights everything that has been failing at Stoke this past 4 years. We barely got a tune out of a player whose Barcelona academy record surpassed Lionel's. Dear oh dear. Even Bojan wouldn't be able to help us in the mess we're in. Messi, Ronaldo, and M'bappe couldn't help even if they all played in the same team, ours. Guardiola wouldn't be able to coach us properly. We have to restart completely from scratch. It's probably better we do it in L1.
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 26, 2019 18:04:38 GMT
I can tell you right now I would put a few quid on Toronto FC or Montreal Impact to beat any side in the bottom half of the Championship, including Stoke of course. Seriously...I doubt they would be a match for Stenhousemuir There is a reason Bojan is playing in Canada...it's because, very sadly, he isn't the player he used to be I watch plenty of TFC games here and the level is easily better than the drivel I have seen Stoke play lately. That goes for most of the teams I have seen Stoke play against as well! They would hold their own in the bottom half of the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:05:12 GMT
I can tell you right now I would put a few quid on Toronto FC or Montreal Impact to beat any side in the bottom half of the Championship, including Stoke of course. Seriously...I doubt they would be a match for Stenhousemuir There is a reason Bojan is playing in Canada...it's because, very sadly, he isn't the player he used to be Yeah, Powell, Ince, and Allen are much better options. Because that's what were talking about here. You can only judge the release of Bojan in the context of the other options available. A bit like the Pieters scenario. Nathan's got plenty wrong since he's been here. Bojan and Pieters included.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 26, 2019 18:22:44 GMT
Bojan should still be here. It will be a long long time till we get another talent like him through our doors. Stoke failed themselves the fans and Bojan massively in how they have handled this whole affair. Just wish someone at the club would have the decency to make some sort of statement apologising for the right fookin mess they are making of things. But they don't do accountability do they. Maybe when they see a crowd of sub 10k tomorrow the bells might go off in their thick skulls. And I know I am in for some abuse here (not bothered) but to me the whole Bojan situation really highlights everything that has been failing at Stoke this past 4 years. We barely got a tune out of a player whose Barcelona academy record surpassed Lionel's. Dear oh dear. Even Bojan wouldn't be able to help us in the mess we're in. Messi, Ronaldo, and M'bappe couldn't help even if they all played in the same team, ours. Guardiola wouldn't be able to coach us properly. We have to restart completely from scratch. It's probably better we do it in L1. Sadly I think you are indeed correct. Sad and frustrating times. I wish the club was skint, at least we would have a decent excuse then. As it is we are just shit because those fools can't run the club properly.
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Post by duckling on Sept 27, 2019 5:40:30 GMT
I can tell you right now I would put a few quid on Toronto FC or Montreal Impact to beat any side in the bottom half of the Championship, including Stoke of course. I've heard it said that MLS quality spans from top half of League One to bottom half of Championship. Which means we'd lose to half the MLS teams. Where all players have to wait in long security lines at the airport and squish into commercial economy seats, even for 3000 mile red eye flights. Where the median salary is $117k per year, or £1800 a week. The MLS was seen as a move down for Bojan, but it actually turned out to be a move up. Fuck our situation is depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 7:20:47 GMT
I can tell you right now I would put a few quid on Toronto FC or Montreal Impact to beat any side in the bottom half of the Championship, including Stoke of course. There is a reason Bojan is playing in Canada...it's because, remarkably, he is a better player than he used to be in Rowett's and Jones' Stoke teams. Correct
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 8:30:02 GMT
Cringe.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 27, 2019 10:20:29 GMT
There is a reason Bojan is playing in Canada...it's be cause, remarkably, he is a better player than he used to be in Rowett's and Jones' Stoke teams. Correct I see I've been edited I really like Bojan and was desperate for him to do well...but it was clear that he came back from that horrible injury a much lesser player, out run by lumbering centre backs and struggling with the physicality of the English game. He would have really struggled at Crawley the other night...not that his replacements have been rocking the city either. The original Bojan is too good for the Championship but the reality is he is nowhere near his best, and that is a personal tragedy for him, and a collective one for us.
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Post by pavel on Sept 27, 2019 10:25:57 GMT
I see I've been edited I really like Bojan and was desperate for him to do well...but it was clear that he came back from that horrible injury a much lesser player, out run by lumbering centre backs and struggling with the physicality of the English game. He would have really struggled at Crawley the other night...not that his replacements have been rocking the city either. The original Bojan is too good for the Championship but the reality is he is nowhere near his best, and that is a personal tragedy for him, and a collective one for us. For the last time he was fine when he came back from injury and played some of his best football for Stoke, it's well documented and has been posted on this message board so many times. How this myth continues to persist is beyond me.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 27, 2019 10:31:23 GMT
I see I've been edited I really like Bojan and was desperate for him to do well...but it was clear that he came back from that horrible injury a much lesser player, out run by lumbering centre backs and struggling with the physicality of the English game. He would have really struggled at Crawley the other night...not that his replacements have been rocking the city either. The original Bojan is too good for the Championship but the reality is he is nowhere near his best, and that is a personal tragedy for him, and a collective one for us. For the last time he was fine when he came back from injury and played some of his best football for Stoke, it's well documented and has been posted on this message board so many times. How this myth continues to persist is beyond me. He didn't look fine to me when he was being outrun by a CB, who had given him a 2 yard head start. The only myth being perpetuated on here is that Bojan was back to his best. As I stated, it is sad, but it is true
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 27, 2019 10:52:31 GMT
At the beginning of his career at Stoke it took Bojan a long time to get used to the physical side of the English game - I can still remember his look of shock early on when having beaten one player he immediately lost the ball to a second player who came in really quickly to challenge him. Unfortunately his injury came just as he was getting to grips with it. Having spoken with a player whose professional career was interrupted by a knee injury he said physically you feel OK but mentally you never go in 100% when you come back for fear of another injury. He said it took him at least 18 months to really go into a challenge properly. Although only 27 he hasn't been able to return to the level he was playing at (third tier) and is dropping down the leagues. I don't think Bojan was ever going to handle the physical side of the game again. I have no idea what Canadian football is like but perhaps he gets more time and space.
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Post by redwhite on Sept 27, 2019 11:04:38 GMT
Should have built the side around him. He was the best player on our books by a country mile last season.
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Post by pavel on Sept 27, 2019 11:24:24 GMT
For the last time he was fine when he came back from injury and played some of his best football for Stoke, it's well documented and has been posted on this message board so many times. How this myth continues to persist is beyond me. He didn't look fine to me when he was being outrun by a CB, who had given him a 2 yard head start. The only myth being perpetuated on here is that Bojan was back to his best. As I stated, it is sad, but it is true Do your research ,when he came back from his cruciate, he was instrumental in wins over Man City, Man Utd and others, this was the time of the BMX period. There's plenty of threads on here giving the timeline. The idea he was finished after his injury has been debunked so many times on this site with cold hard facts. Trying looking at facts rather than conjecture.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 27, 2019 12:50:52 GMT
In a rare moment of clarity Jones realised he was out of his depth if there were players of Bojan's class around. So he stopped playing him and then got rid. Then he signed Cousins. As much as I wanted Nathan to succeed I'm afraid you've hit nail squarely on head there, Rowett too was also frightened and didn't know what to make of a talented footballer who couldn't tackle. Everybody else in the country was frightened too, that's why we paid his contract up instead of selling him
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 27, 2019 13:05:45 GMT
Deserves better than this burning wreck of a club and the utter charlatan in charge of the players.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 27, 2019 13:08:40 GMT
Jones sat down with him and had a chat decided it was better for him to search elsewhere. Jones thinking in this was The technical ability of Allen Ince and Mcclean who know how to be creative score. He was probably, sadly, one of only a couple of dozen people at best that couldn't foresee Powell spending half the season on the treatment table. For a manager to spend half a season bemoaning our lack of creativity and to then ship out one of very few creative players in his squad at the first opportunity is just bizarre. For my money Jones saw what happened with Rowett and shit himself, shame, turns out it was irrelevant anyway. You could easily say that the only 4 players we had, in the January he was employed, that could possibly 'make things happen' were Bojan, Ince, Adam and Verlinden He as absolutely no right to bemoan our failure in the final third
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 27, 2019 13:19:44 GMT
Personally don’t think his mind was right after the injury. Maybe he did have all the skill but mentally he was gone and, in the English game, as physical as it is, that meant he was done for.
Strolling around in the comfort of what may be the equivalent of a mid table Scottish team probably suits him.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 27, 2019 13:31:13 GMT
Also the title of the thread is way off. The Canadian Cup has nothing to do with MLS.
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 27, 2019 13:38:29 GMT
Also the title of the thread is way off. The Canadian Cup has nothing to do with MLS. Semantics really. Both teams are full MLS members.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 27, 2019 13:46:41 GMT
we've done so well, haven't we since we ditched the players some fans love to hate in N'Zonzi ("shite" / "only passes sideways") Shaq ("lazy") Arnie ("lazy wanker") and Bojan ("heads gone / too small") and replaced them with the Cousins/Clucas/Allens/MCleans/Ince's of the world.
Who needs flair and excitement anyway?
I'd still rather have a Bojan "who can't hack it" than some of the cunts playing for us today.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 27, 2019 13:57:47 GMT
Thank fuck we have Pringles Powell to fall back on.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 27, 2019 14:22:02 GMT
Good for him hes found a league where he can get some success but it was never going to happen for him at one of the better leagues and it was clear as day he wasn't cutting it here anymore, good for him but I don't really care what he does any more tbh.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 27, 2019 14:27:46 GMT
Good for him hes found a league where he can get some success but it was never going to happen for him at one of the better leagues and it was clear as day he wasn't cutting it here anymore, good for him but I don't really care what he does any more tbh. I must be a right weirdo, if there's summat I 'don't really care about' I probably won't open the thread, let alone comment on it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 14:51:12 GMT
Personally don’t think his mind was right after the injury. Maybe he did have all the skill but mentally he was gone and, in the English game, as physical as it is, that meant he was done for. Do yourself a favour and look at the highlights on YT of the games vs Citeh and Everton the year after his injury and then come back here and say again that "mentally he was gone". I'm not a betting man but I'll bet that you won't be able to...
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Post by minnierover on Sept 27, 2019 14:51:48 GMT
Bojan should still be here. It will be a long long time till we get another talent like him through our doors. Stoke failed themselves the fans and Bojan massively in how they have handled this whole affair. Just wish someone at the club would have the decency to make some sort of statement apologising for the right fookin mess they are making of things. But they don't do accountability do they. Maybe when they see a crowd of sub 10k tomorrow the bells might go off in their thick skulls. And I know I am in for some abuse here (not bothered) but to me the whole Bojan situation really highlights everything that has been failing at Stoke this past 4 years. We barely got a tune out of a player whose Barcelona academy record surpassed Lionel's. Dear oh dear. Even Bojan wouldn't be able to help us in the mess we're in. Messi, Ronaldo, and M'bappe couldn't help even if they all played in the same team, ours. Guardiola wouldn't be able to coach us properly. We have to restart completely from scratch. It's probably better we do it in L1. Messi, Mbappe and Ronaldo would help us actually as would pep as our manager. The problem is our manager is very poor and can’t cope without Harford to hold his hand. On top of that he has signed awful players. He needs to go and Hughton needs to be in charge Monday morning and he’d get us the 12 wins and 12 draws we currently need. Then he can rebuild in the summer.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 27, 2019 15:05:48 GMT
we've done so well, haven't we since we ditched the players some fans love to hate in N'Zonzi ("shite" / "only passes sideways") Shaq ("lazy") Arnie ("lazy wanker") and Bojan ("heads gone / too small") and replaced them with the Cousins/Clucas/Allens/MCleans/Ince's of the world. Who needs flair and excitement anyway? I'd still rather have a Bojan "who can't hack it" than some of the cunts playing for us today. This completely sums it up for me!
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 27, 2019 15:34:57 GMT
Also the title of the thread is way off. The Canadian Cup has nothing to do with MLS. Semantics really. Both teams are full MLS members. Yes they are, but it is not semantics. That is a local cup that they first entered ( three years or so ago) because their were so bad there MLS season was over so they decided to have a go for it. I will wager there are posters on here that have played at a higher level than the Canadian local teams they were against. Would that it be allowed it would be the equivalent of Man Utd saying “Our seasons over, we will go and play in the Welsh Cup”
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Post by madnellie on Sept 27, 2019 15:48:08 GMT
Semantics really. Both teams are full MLS members. Yes they are, but it is not semantics. That is a local cup that they first entered ( three years or so ago) because their were so bad there MLS season was over so they decided to have a go for it. I will wager there are posters on here that have played at a higher level than the Canadian local teams they were against. Would that it be allowed it would be the equivalent of Man Utd saying “Our seasons over, we will go and play in the Welsh Cup” That's not accurate at all. TFC have won the MLS since the Canadian Championship began so that final was a much higher level than the Welsh League. It was a Championship level game with less physicality than the English game. It's like if we beat Man Utd in the Cup Final and then saying "yeah but we only beat Crawley and Rochdale to make the final". Edited to add, the competition has also been around for over 10 years, with all the Canadian MLS teams involved, not three years.
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