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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 11:20:30 GMT
Whats that got to do with this Labour opposition? People keep voting for austerity and making themselves poorer but when someone puts something forward what could potentially help them.Then its a big no,Ill stick with getting poorer thank you . I will believe it when I see it, that is my point. We've been promised things before. Fair enough vote Labour then.
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Post by hoffgreen on Sept 25, 2019 16:50:23 GMT
A conference for the mentally ill.
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Post by mattyd on Sept 25, 2019 17:52:40 GMT
a 32 Hour week, free prescriptions for all,£10 an hour....SHOW ME THE MONEY! or give us a clue where its coming from...... Tax the Rich. Till the rich decide to fuck off abroad and take their money with them, then tax everyone, oh...hold on...32 Hour Week. 10 quid an hour...There will be no tax payers, as there will be no jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:05:57 GMT
Well then you are not hard working enough to deserve the extra money. That's what capitalism is right? Work hard and you get what you deserve? And our business tax rates are pathetically low. Absolute garbage which tars the hard working entrepreneur with the "red top comedy tabloid bad boss CEO" rubbish which you clearly believe all employers to be. I humbly suggest you go and try starting up a business, working 80 to 100 hours a week for three to five years to make it successful and grow it to the point of considering taking on employees then come back here without that uppity attitude of someone whose never done it or even tried. 90% of the people you tar and feather with that unproven statement are people who've worked their asses off and deserve every break they get. Maybe they should help those less fortunate then by paying a bit more tax on their millions? I don't blame millionaires and billionaires for being where they are. I do, however, believe they should pay more to help give people in our country basic needs and infrastructure.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 26, 2019 18:15:08 GMT
Absolute garbage which tars the hard working entrepreneur with the "red top comedy tabloid bad boss CEO" rubbish which you clearly believe all employers to be. I humbly suggest you go and try starting up a business, working 80 to 100 hours a week for three to five years to make it successful and grow it to the point of considering taking on employees then come back here without that uppity attitude of someone whose never done it or even tried. 90% of the people you tar and feather with that unproven statement are people who've worked their asses off and deserve every break they get. Maybe they should help those less fortunate then by paying a bit more tax on their millions? I don't blame millionaires and billionaires for being where they are. I do, however, believe they should pay more to help give people in our country basic needs and infrastructure. What are these needs and infrastructure you speak of
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:17:21 GMT
Maybe they should help those less fortunate then by paying a bit more tax on their millions? I don't blame millionaires and billionaires for being where they are. I do, however, believe they should pay more to help give people in our country basic needs and infrastructure. What are these needs and infrastructure you speak of Welfare (although I'm an advocate of UBI), healthcare, transport, councils, everything that taxes pay for.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 26, 2019 18:37:36 GMT
What are these needs and infrastructure you speak of Welfare (although I'm an advocate of UBI), healthcare, transport, councils, everything that taxes pay for. This comes under general taxation doesn't it
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2019 19:19:02 GMT
I knew things were bad in labour but fuck me. Absolutely batshit mental. Totally gobsmacked.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2019 19:22:26 GMT
Absolute garbage which tars the hard working entrepreneur with the "red top comedy tabloid bad boss CEO" rubbish which you clearly believe all employers to be. I humbly suggest you go and try starting up a business, working 80 to 100 hours a week for three to five years to make it successful and grow it to the point of considering taking on employees then come back here without that uppity attitude of someone whose never done it or even tried. 90% of the people you tar and feather with that unproven statement are people who've worked their asses off and deserve every break they get. Maybe they should help those less fortunate then by paying a bit more tax on their millions? I don't blame millionaires and billionaires for being where they are. I do, however, believe they should pay more to help give people in our country basic needs and infrastructure. I'm sure a lot of them pay good money to charities of their own accord. Taxing them just means you are stealing their right to send money where they like and assuming moral superiority over them. I'm not a millionaire but I'd certainly pay more to charity if I wasn't robbed of so much, and at least then I could be happy that it's not going to dogshit causes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 19:46:32 GMT
Maybe they should help those less fortunate then by paying a bit more tax on their millions? I don't blame millionaires and billionaires for being where they are. I do, however, believe they should pay more to help give people in our country basic needs and infrastructure. I'm sure a lot of them pay good money to charities of their own accord. Taxing them just means you are stealing their right to send money where they like and assuming moral superiority over them. I'm not a millionaire but I'd certainly pay more to charity if I wasn't robbed of so much, and at least then I could be happy that it's not going to dogshit causes. Don't think you can just rely on people to pay to charity if they want to. Denise Coates earned £250 million in one single year from gambling, in the same country where food bank use is the highest it has ever been. No-one needs that money, and no-one earns that much money.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 19:49:29 GMT
Welfare (although I'm an advocate of UBI), healthcare, transport, councils, everything that taxes pay for. This comes under general taxation doesn't it Apologies, misread and thought that's what you were on about! But our business tax rates are very low.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 26, 2019 19:56:58 GMT
I'm sure a lot of them pay good money to charities of their own accord. Taxing them just means you are stealing their right to send money where they like and assuming moral superiority over them. I'm not a millionaire but I'd certainly pay more to charity if I wasn't robbed of so much, and at least then I could be happy that it's not going to dogshit causes. Don't think you can just rely on people to pay to charity if they want to. Denise Coates earned £250 million in one single year from gambling, in the same country where food bank use is the highest it has ever been. No-one needs that money, and no-one earns that much money. And she will have paid £112.5m tax on the 250m, bet 365 have also in the past given £100m to her charity. All she is doing is taking some cash out of the business she has built from scratch just in case corbyn gets in. You have previously said you want to tax people like her at 70% you know what happens then you think she pays £175m in tax when actually she just decides to take no salary out so you get no tax then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 20:00:03 GMT
Don't think you can just rely on people to pay to charity if they want to. Denise Coates earned £250 million in one single year from gambling, in the same country where food bank use is the highest it has ever been. No-one needs that money, and no-one earns that much money. And she will have paid £112.5m tax on the 250m, bet 365 have also in the past given £100m to her charity. All she is doing is taking some cash out of the business she has built from scratch just in case corbyn gets in. You have previously said you want to tax people like her at 70% you know what happens then you think she pays £175m in tax when actually she just decides to take no salary out so you get no tax then. She's taking £137 million, per year. Not one human being on earth deserves that much money, let alone someone who has built the money on gambling and fostering addiction. That'd be fine, because I'd increase business tax rates too
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 26, 2019 20:10:02 GMT
And she will have paid £112.5m tax on the 250m, bet 365 have also in the past given £100m to her charity. All she is doing is taking some cash out of the business she has built from scratch just in case corbyn gets in. You have previously said you want to tax people like her at 70% you know what happens then you think she pays £175m in tax when actually she just decides to take no salary out so you get no tax then. She's taking £137 million, per year. Not one human being on earth deserves that much money, let alone someone who has built the money on gambling and fostering addiction. That'd be fine, because I'd increase business tax rates too Can you get addicted to fostering after reading his posts I find it has the exact opposite effect on me Good move to increase business rates they just relocate their business to gibraltar or wherever. Her company, her hard work they pay staff reasonably ok, gives to charity and she was a driving force in sacking Pulis so for me just for sacking Pulis she can pay herself whatever she wants.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2019 21:40:31 GMT
You talk absolute shit, youth. You literally sound like some of the kids I teach who haven't spent a single day in the real world. Revolting authoritarianism and self-appointed moral arbiter.
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Post by eebygum on Sept 26, 2019 22:36:20 GMT
You talk absolute shit, youth. You literally sound like some of the kids I teach who haven't spent a single day in the real world. Revolting authoritarianism and self-appointed moral arbiter. Wha' du nor abaht t' real world then felleur?
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Post by vokeswagen on Sept 26, 2019 22:43:26 GMT
Maybe they should help those less fortunate then by paying a bit more tax on their millions? I don't blame millionaires and billionaires for being where they are. I do, however, believe they should pay more to help give people in our country basic needs and infrastructure. I'm sure a lot of them pay good money to charities of their own accord. Taxing them just means you are stealing their right to send money where they like and assuming moral superiority over them. I'm not a millionaire but I'd certainly pay more to charity if I wasn't robbed of so much, and at least then I could be happy that it's not going to dogshit causes. If you feel that tax goes to dogshit causes and is robbery, then as a libertarian you ought to go and live somewhere else where you find the taxation system more acceptable. It's your free will to do so and in not doing so, you're supporting the system you purport to disagree with.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2019 23:00:40 GMT
I'm sure a lot of them pay good money to charities of their own accord. Taxing them just means you are stealing their right to send money where they like and assuming moral superiority over them. I'm not a millionaire but I'd certainly pay more to charity if I wasn't robbed of so much, and at least then I could be happy that it's not going to dogshit causes. If you feel that tax goes to dogshit causes and is robbery, then as a libertarian you ought to go and live somewhere else where you find the taxation system more acceptable. It's your free will to do so and in not doing so, you're supporting the system you purport to disagree with. So what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with the traditional British establishment, disagrees with the colonial monarchy, and doesn't like bombs being dropped on brown kids' heads should fuck off and live in another country? Fed up of you bloody right wing extremists on here.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 26, 2019 23:48:15 GMT
This comes under general taxation doesn't it Apologies, misread and thought that's what you were on about! But our business tax rates are very low. Business rates are killing small businesses it needs abolishing
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Post by vokeswagen on Sept 27, 2019 4:27:02 GMT
If you feel that tax goes to dogshit causes and is robbery, then as a libertarian you ought to go and live somewhere else where you find the taxation system more acceptable. It's your free will to do so and in not doing so, you're supporting the system you purport to disagree with. So what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with the traditional British establishment, disagrees with the colonial monarchy, and doesn't like bombs being dropped on brown kids' heads should fuck off and live in another country? Fed up of you bloody right wing extremists on here. No mate I'm saying that free choice exists for you to live in places more suited to your libertarian ideals. And that the morally correct thing to do as a libertarian is to exercise your free will and go and live in the place most closely aligned to your views on taxation and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 5:29:06 GMT
You talk absolute shit, youth. You literally sound like some of the kids I teach who haven't spent a single day in the real world. Revolting authoritarianism and self-appointed moral arbiter. You should think about changing your job if that’s your best argument
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 27, 2019 6:38:51 GMT
You talk absolute shit, youth. You literally sound like some of the kids I teach who haven't spent a single day in the real world. Revolting authoritarianism and self-appointed moral arbiter. You should think about changing your job if that’s your best argument It's not at all. About ten people have spent weeks on about five different threads developing serious points, and the only replies are "Rich people are evil, tax them all" totally disregarding the practical realities or devastating consequences of this approach. It's overly emotive idealism with no grounding in reality and it's bloody tiresome to have so many valid arguments totally ignored. It's like a sugary gumdrop fantasy land full of unicorns.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 27, 2019 6:41:11 GMT
So what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with the traditional British establishment, disagrees with the colonial monarchy, and doesn't like bombs being dropped on brown kids' heads should fuck off and live in another country? Fed up of you bloody right wing extremists on here. No mate I'm saying that free choice exists for you to live in places more suited to your libertarian ideals. And that the morally correct thing to do as a libertarian is to exercise your free will and go and live in the place most closely aligned to your views on taxation and so on. No, my right is to live where I see fit and to campaign in any way I see fit to democratically change the system. This extends to everyone with any political persuasion. Or perhaps you would tell every Socialist and Communist on this board to kindly fuck off to Cuba? Nope, thought not.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 27, 2019 6:43:20 GMT
You should think about changing your job if that’s your best argument It's not at all. About ten people have spent weeks on about five different threads developing serious points, and the only replies are "Rich people are evil, tax them all" totally disregarding the practical realities or devastating consequences of this approach. It's overly emotive idealism with no grounding in reality and it's bloody tiresome to have so many valid arguments totally ignored. It's like a sugary gumdrop fantasy land full of unicorns. In fairness, they are in line with the thinking of HM Government’s official opposition.
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Post by vokeswagen on Sept 27, 2019 6:56:45 GMT
No mate I'm saying that free choice exists for you to live in places more suited to your libertarian ideals. And that the morally correct thing to do as a libertarian is to exercise your free will and go and live in the place most closely aligned to your views on taxation and so on. No, my right is to live where I see fit and to campaign in any way I see fit to democratically change the system. This extends to everyone with any political persuasion. Or perhaps you would tell every Socialist and Communist on this board to kindly fuck off to Cuba? Nope, thought not. Well no because socialism and communism is all about class struggle, so staying put and engaging in that struggle here would be entirely consistent with those beliefs (if slightly pointless and unpopular! ) Exercising your freedom to move would be more consistent with libertarianism than continuing to pay tax and provide support to a system you consider wasteful and criminal.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2019 7:15:10 GMT
I knew things were bad in labour but fuck me. Absolutely batshit mental. Totally gobsmacked. It seems like the only people who don't have a place are ( young and old) white males..... particularly if British ( Of course they are represented in the Party leadership/ positions of personal power!)....It could be argued that the ( inevitable given technology?) lack of traditional manual working class jobs is still a major issue facing males in Uk society..... what is their role in the post industrial world? .... emasculation , leading to despair a lack of hope.......but we must adjust and grin and bear it. And if we look at suicide rates/ mental illness depression amongst young males....a crisis but not addressed . Fed false hope and aspirations because" everyone can go to university and get a degree" Labour was born out of the injustices of the " working" man.... which at the time also meant families....in traditional families when the male was the breadwinner usually achieved through physical work . Of course things change and have to change......but it does not mean that they have changed in the right direction. Working class white males seem to have got lost in the system . In my opinion.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 27, 2019 7:31:51 GMT
No, my right is to live where I see fit and to campaign in any way I see fit to democratically change the system. This extends to everyone with any political persuasion. Or perhaps you would tell every Socialist and Communist on this board to kindly fuck off to Cuba? Nope, thought not. Well no because socialism and communism is all about class struggle, so staying put and engaging in that struggle here would be entirely consistent with those beliefs (if slightly pointless and unpopular! ) Exercising your freedom to move would be more consistent with libertarianism than continuing to pay tax and provide support to a system you consider wasteful and criminal. I'm surprised you've not picked up on the fact I'm employed in the public sector?
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Post by eebygum on Sept 27, 2019 7:47:40 GMT
No mate I'm saying that free choice exists for you to live in places more suited to your libertarian ideals. And that the morally correct thing to do as a libertarian is to exercise your free will and go and live in the place most closely aligned to your views on taxation and so on. No, my right is to live where I see fit and to campaign in any way I see fit to democratically change the system. This extends to everyone with any political persuasion. Or perhaps you would tell every Socialist and Communist on this board to kindly fuck off to Cuba? Nope, thought not. Ther's an incredible irony abaht someone libertarian dedicatin sa much tahhm ta pontificatin abaht 'a society should be. 'a lush it 'ood be if everyone else just 'ed t' correct opinion! surely t' correct move as eur libertarian 'ood be ta move somewheear wheear t' state 'as less involvement i' thy day ta day life. 'appen chile.
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Post by eebygum on Sept 27, 2019 7:48:39 GMT
Well no because socialism and communism is all about class struggle, so staying put and engaging in that struggle here would be entirely consistent with those beliefs (if slightly pointless and unpopular! ) Exercising your freedom to move would be more consistent with libertarianism than continuing to pay tax and provide support to a system you consider wasteful and criminal. I'm surprised you've not picked up on the fact I'm employed in the public sector? Aye, dis is eur particularly 'ypocritical move.
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Post by vokeswagen on Sept 27, 2019 7:55:40 GMT
Well no because socialism and communism is all about class struggle, so staying put and engaging in that struggle here would be entirely consistent with those beliefs (if slightly pointless and unpopular! ) Exercising your freedom to move would be more consistent with libertarianism than continuing to pay tax and provide support to a system you consider wasteful and criminal. I'm surprised you've not picked up on the fact I'm employed in the public sector? We don't all have the luxury of working for an employer that exactly mirrors our own moral values so in a way that's fair enough. But arguably you should be applying furiously for work at a private school yes
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