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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 17:47:09 GMT
Do you disagree? Nurses work gruelling shifts, both physically and mentally draining, seeing death, illness and suffering, and go home with £25k if they're lucky. Is a CEO's job harder work than that? In fact, the real question is; is a CEO's job 10, 20, even hundreds of times more hard work than a nurse's? because that's how the salary shows it. However a CEO has huge responsibility. Responsible for hundreds of staff. Budgets. Direction etc etc. Most of them will be hard working decent people trying to help the whole business succeed. Working long hours and very conscientious people That responsibility can be hard work. Again narrow view of the world Absolutely, the CEOs in the company's I worked for worked their socks of . Steering the company forward and protecting their workforce . Thomas Cook is a prime example of what happens when they don't do the job properly
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Post by felonious on Sept 23, 2019 18:05:50 GMT
Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. Where do you get the people from, import them? I suspect the issue of higher productivity abroad is due to a large swathe of people in England who don't want to work or don't want to work that hard. My lad's at uni and has a part time job. I asked him a few weeks back how come he's able to get in excess of 40 hours per week in non seasonal employment when come September he's going to become unavailable. The answer he gave was to point at his phone and say that he never uses it during work hours and basically that he works harder than the resident pool and is more efficient therefore it's a no brainer that management give him more hours because their life is made easier. He also said he never refuses shifts or the work on offer. He's not the only student getting these hours either. I'm aware that normally efficient restaurants are also feeling the pinch as students go back to uni and businesses are left to rely on the good old employment pool out there.
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Post by felonious on Sept 23, 2019 18:08:49 GMT
Wouldn't a 32 hour week cancel out the £10 per hour minimum wage? Especially if their tax rate goes up? Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing. Is this a "Turn the lights out as the last person leaves the country" question
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Post by felonious on Sept 23, 2019 18:12:12 GMT
Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing. Angela will tell you 🤣 That's just disgraceful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 18:17:53 GMT
Well getting back to the subject Loon’s is the word for it Conference has made its decision on brexit Yes there out no there there in they will campaign for both riding two horses with one arse They will do a deal but don’t know if they will vote for it or reject it And are dumb or arrogant enough to believe people will fall for it Simple you want to remain vote liberal If you want leave vote Tory Labour a party run by incompetent envy riding imbeciles Becoming more of a irrelevance as the days pass by The Tories are as divided on Brexit as Labour
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2019 18:27:01 GMT
Well getting back to the subject Loon’s is the word for it Conference has made its decision on brexit Yes there out no there there in they will campaign for both riding two horses with one arse They will do a deal but don’t know if they will vote for it or reject it And are dumb or arrogant enough to believe people will fall for it Simple you want to remain vote liberal If you want leave vote Tory Labour a party run by incompetent envy riding imbeciles Becoming more of a irrelevance as the days pass by The Tories are as divided on Brexit as Labour Not as much as that debacle of a conference I watched this afternoon Liberals: vote for us we will remain Tory’s : vote for us we will leave Labour : vote for us we will probably remain but we haven’t got the balls to admit it Good luck on the doorstep with that one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 18:47:03 GMT
The Tories are as divided on Brexit as Labour Not as much as that debacle of a conference I watched this afternoon Liberals: vote for us we will remain Tory’s : vote for us we will leave Labour : vote for us we will probably remain but we haven’t got the balls to admit it Good luck on the doorstep with that one We've had 3 years of in fighting under this government.We've had the PM, May,a Remainer bending over backwards to please the EU and still they couldn't get a deal because the leavers amongst the Tories deemed it too weak and the remainers too hard.Then we've got Boris who has changed sides since just before the vote. Who in their right mind could trust the Tories ? By the same token who in their right minds could trust Labour when the shadow cabinet and Corbyn have opposing views ....as does the Labour hardcore. The only parties who you can vote for knowing what they stand for are the Lib Dems and The Brexit Party !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 19:14:55 GMT
The Tories are as divided on Brexit as Labour Not as much as that debacle of a conference I watched this afternoon Liberals: vote for us we will remain Tory’s : vote for us we will leave Labour : vote for us we will probably remain but we haven’t got the balls to admit it Good luck on the doorstep with that one Or 'vote for us, we'll see if we can do better than the current shitshow and then whatever happens, we'll check what you all want us to do before we plunge the country into the biggest decision it has made in decades'.
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Post by pearo on Sept 23, 2019 19:24:51 GMT
So Labour will introduce the 32 hour working week, which will make those on their minimum wage proposal of £10 an hour £1,560 a year worse off, but at least you can have a lie in some mornings.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 23, 2019 20:04:07 GMT
So Labour will introduce the 32 hour working week, which will make those on their minimum wage proposal of £10 an hour £1,560 a year worse off, but at least you can have a lie in some mornings. No mate have you not heard 32 hour week for the same wages they claim, thats right an effective 25% reduction in staff / increase in costs for companies, they live in cloud cuckoo land although my fear if Labour gets in isnt the 32 hour week its the 0 hours week.
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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2019 20:05:37 GMT
Every one of them when asked about how they would fund their schemes haven't got a straight answer, thick as fookin pig shit the lot of them, it's frightening how they have got to the positions they have now.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 20:21:18 GMT
If a 32 hour week is so bad for the working man according to quite a few on here why dont we push for a fifty hour week to make our lives even better? Can someone explain please?
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 20:22:34 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 20:51:54 GMT
No tax was paid because no tax was due.Im sure the inland revenue know better than the express.
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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2019 20:58:23 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 21:05:36 GMT
No tax was paid because no tax was due.Im sure the inland revenue know better than the express. Correct. They use the loopholes to their advantage. A £20million property portfolio that makes no money On one hand great tax avoidance accountants Or on the other it’s being managed less than competent Either way they either can’t lecture on loopholes or if they can’t manage a property empire can they manage the country.
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Post by mattintheprem on Sept 23, 2019 21:11:47 GMT
The Labour Party are still deciding their policy decisions in 2019 by a show of hands at the party conference - that tells me everything I need to know - reminds me of TV pictures of Scargill organising a strike by the same method in 1984.
Would love to go back to voting labour but they need to get out of the stone age first.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 24, 2019 9:38:39 GMT
Th short answer is yes.
The long answer is fuck yes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 10:46:34 GMT
They won't get in, because too many people are either distracted by Brexit or angry at the wrong people. That's my view on it anyway. I'm not sure why people decry Labour's Brexit policy that much, they've recognised that the tory negotiations have been a shambles and said 'well this is shit, we'll try again and see if people still want it'. Where is the issue beyond being scared that leave wouldn't win again? I think Brexiteers decry the policy because they voted in good faith to Leave the EU. They feel betrayed, ignored, patronised and dismissed with contempt as irrelevant. Not very nice and not good for democracy. Bang on.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Sept 24, 2019 13:45:30 GMT
In answer to the original question -- yes. Unfortunately the views of "moderate" people within the party are largely ignored as is now happening with the Tories as well.
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Post by Widget123 on Sept 24, 2019 18:38:14 GMT
Why should I put in all that extra work if I’m good enough and qualified enough to earn that extra £4K a month if you want me to five up £3k Where is my incentive? I’d rather work less hard. That’s where that argument is flawed. The company paying me £200k a year would probably already be in a position paying lots of business taxes as well as employing lots more people. More people not on dole paying taxes themsrlves Well then you are not hard working enough to deserve the extra money. That's what capitalism is right? Work hard and you get what you deserve? And our business tax rates are pathetically low. Absolute garbage which tars the hard working entrepreneur with the "red top comedy tabloid bad boss CEO" rubbish which you clearly believe all employers to be. I humbly suggest you go and try starting up a business, working 80 to 100 hours a week for three to five years to make it successful and grow it to the point of considering taking on employees then come back here without that uppity attitude of someone whose never done it or even tried. 90% of the people you tar and feather with that unproven statement are people who've worked their asses off and deserve every break they get.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Sept 24, 2019 19:04:20 GMT
a 32 Hour week, free prescriptions for all,£10 an hour....SHOW ME THE MONEY! or give us a clue where its coming from......
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 24, 2019 19:31:30 GMT
a 32 Hour week, free prescriptions for all,£10 an hour....SHOW ME THE MONEY! or give us a clue where its coming from...... It’s on the never never which will be followed by the government replacing them finding a note saying there is no money left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 7:41:34 GMT
I knew things were bad in labour but fuck me.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 25, 2019 8:55:31 GMT
I knew things were bad in labour but fuck me. "No borders". Ace.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 8:57:04 GMT
a 32 Hour week, free prescriptions for all,£10 an hour....SHOW ME THE MONEY! or give us a clue where its coming from...... By increasing tax on big businesses.And once and for all cracking tax avoidance.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 8:57:47 GMT
a 32 Hour week, free prescriptions for all,£10 an hour....SHOW ME THE MONEY! or give us a clue where its coming from...... By increasing tax on big businesses.And once and for all cracking tax avoidance. This is where the public anger should be directed.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 25, 2019 9:22:01 GMT
a 32 Hour week, free prescriptions for all,£10 an hour....SHOW ME THE MONEY! or give us a clue where its coming from...... By increasing tax on big businesses.And once and for all cracking tax avoidance. Like they did last time they were in?
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 10:27:55 GMT
By increasing tax on big businesses.And once and for all cracking tax avoidance. Like they did last time they were in? Whats that got to do with this Labour opposition? People keep voting for austerity and making themselves poorer but when someone puts something forward what could potentially help them.Then its a big no,Ill stick with getting poorer thank you .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 25, 2019 10:53:38 GMT
Like they did last time they were in? Whats that got to do with this Labour opposition? People keep voting for austerity and making themselves poorer but when someone puts something forward what could potentially help them.Then its a big no,Ill stick with getting poorer thank you . I will believe it when I see it, that is my point. We've been promised things before.
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