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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 13:25:36 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-40117521So basically you want someone else to pay more, a true socialist. 364k people pay 45% tax rate about 4.7m pay the 40% rate thats not enough to carry 60 odd million people. Yep. I'm willing to pay more too if it means better infrastructure. I'd certainly rather pay higher taxes than pay more to private companies. Earnings over £150kpa should be taxed at 70% in my view. Under your scheme if I had a £150kpa job I’d take a £1kpa pay cut Anyone earning that type of money (outside sport and entertainment) more than likely works for a big company already paying business taxes and employing lots of people. It’s not always as simplistic as raising income tax
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 13:26:31 GMT
Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. How about France , Greece and Spain ? There social policy has totally screwed their economies. Macron is trying to roll it back and reaping the consequences
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2019 13:28:44 GMT
Wouldn't a 32 hour week cancel out the £10 per hour minimum wage? Especially if their tax rate goes up?
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 13:41:26 GMT
What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. How about France , Greece and Spain ? There social policy has totally screwed their economies. Macron is trying to roll it back and reaping the consequences 34 hours in USA.Nothing to do with social policy its to do with how to get the best out of your workforce without working them to the bone.We all work 38 hours and thats mine and others decision.
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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2019 13:48:25 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. What is specifically bonkers about them? Did you hear Dawn Butler saying that the UK should pay reparation for the slave trade Diane Abbot saying asylum seekers should be out after 28 days That's just a couple, then all the infighting and lack of direction over Brexit, I haven't paid much attention to it
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 23, 2019 13:50:56 GMT
Wouldn't a 32 hour week cancel out the £10 per hour minimum wage? Especially if their tax rate goes up? Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing.
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 23, 2019 13:52:43 GMT
What is specifically bonkers about them? Did you hear Dawn Butler saying that the UK should pay reparation for the slave trade Diane Abbot saying asylum seekers should be out after 28 days That's just a couple, then all the infighting and lack of direction over Brexit, I haven't paid much attention to it How much Dawn ?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2019 14:07:16 GMT
Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. So you cut people's hours, and to make up for the shortfall of staff, tax everyone more? Barmy.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2019 14:09:11 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-40117521So basically you want someone else to pay more, a true socialist. 364k people pay 45% tax rate about 4.7m pay the 40% rate thats not enough to carry 60 odd million people. Yep. I'm willing to pay more too if it means better infrastructure. I'd certainly rather pay higher taxes than pay more to private companies. Earnings over £150kpa should be taxed at 70% in my view. You've said that a couple of times this week. "I'm happy to pay more". Well you might be, but it doesn't mean that everybody else is, does it? And I bet you don't. I bet you've never rung up HMRC and made a voluntary donation, have you? This "I'm happy to" very quickly becomes "I'm happy for the government to force everybody else to".
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 14:12:27 GMT
Yep. I'm willing to pay more too if it means better infrastructure. I'd certainly rather pay higher taxes than pay more to private companies. Earnings over £150kpa should be taxed at 70% in my view. You've said that a couple of times this week. "I'm happy to pay more". Well you might be, but it doesn't mean that everybody else is, does it? And I bet you don't. I bet you've never rung up HMRC and made a voluntary donation, do you? This "I'm happy to" very quickly becomes "I'm happy for the government to force everybody else to". When the lad eventually leaves his bubble. Buys a house starts. Family etc he will soon see the real world is not this left wing utopia.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:12:47 GMT
What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. So you cut people's hours, and to make up for the shortfall of staff, tax everyone more? Barmy. Where do you get tax everyone more from? There is no shortfall of staff just more people employed.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:14:45 GMT
Did you hear Dawn Butler saying that the UK should pay reparation for the slave trade Diane Abbot saying asylum seekers should be out after 28 days That's just a couple, then all the infighting and lack of direction over Brexit, I haven't paid much attention to it How much Dawn ? Extremely sensitive subject but why shouldn't they be compensated for one of if not the worse human atrocity ever? And how on earth is that barmy? Glasgow Uni just agreed to pay twenty million.
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 23, 2019 14:16:21 GMT
Chip on the shoulder black MP's like Dawn Butler have a deep rooted grudge against Britain
Fair enough but why do you want to live here if you so hate us ?
Go somewhere else please.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2019 14:16:21 GMT
Wouldn't a 32 hour week cancel out the £10 per hour minimum wage? Especially if their tax rate goes up? Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing. I don't know either. I would be surprised if they didn't touch the tax rates on minimum wage earners, though. Even if they kept them the same, there could be a shortfall due to less hours worked.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2019 14:18:38 GMT
So you cut people's hours, and to make up for the shortfall of staff, tax everyone more? Barmy. Where do you get tax everyone more from? There is no shortfall of staff just more people employed. Because if you restrict the number of hours an individual can work, then there is a shortfall of staff when you send them home, which need to be paid for via taxation. Cutting hours down wouldn't be a nice equal split between a nurse and the new one, they wouldn't both be on 32 hours a week (because nurses don't work 64 hours a weeK), so there'd be overlap in the hours worked for a new full-time nurse, which means that for a proportion of the week, a set of hours would have to be paid for twice.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:20:54 GMT
Chip on the shoulder black MP's like Dawn Butler have a deep rooted grudge against Britain Fair enough but why do you want to live here if you so hate us ? Go somewhere else please. Disgusting.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2019 14:22:30 GMT
Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. You’re grasp on reality truly weakens by the day You state you solve the problem with nurses working only thirty two hours by employing more In case it’s escaped your attention there is currently a forty odd thousand shortfall now and that’s working there current hours Nobody wants to wipe people’s arses now days and if they do as soon as there qualified they piss off to sun there selves in Australia for example for the rest of there natural
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:26:21 GMT
What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. You’re grasp on reality truly weakens by the day You state you solve the problem with nurses working only thirty two hours by employing more In case it’s escaped your attention there is currently a forty odd thousand shortfall now and that’s working there current hours Nobody wants to wipe people’s arses now days and if they do as soon as there qualified they piss off to sun there selves in Australia for example for the rest of there natural And why are they leaving the NHS? Ask yourself that and try not to keep belittling people all the time its very immature of you,you know.XX
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:31:12 GMT
Where do you get tax everyone more from? There is no shortfall of staff just more people employed. Because if you restrict the number of hours an individual can work, then there is a shortfall of staff when you send them home, which need to be paid for via taxation. Cutting hours down wouldn't be a nice equal split between a nurse and the new one, they wouldn't both be on 32 hours a week (because nurses don't work 64 hours a weeK), so there'd be overlap in the hours worked for a new full-time nurse, which means that for a proportion of the week, a set of hours would have to be paid for twice. Not being funny here mate but I am struggling to follow that.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:38:18 GMT
People baffle me. Working class folk get a screwed by the tories yet they still vote for them. They actually believe that the root of all causes is Europe. Yet when a party actually stands up for them, gives them rights and the chance of a better standard of living.... They lambast it and throw it back in their faces. The power of media should not be underestimated. These folk are voting for their own demise yet refuse to see it.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2019 14:52:25 GMT
You’re grasp on reality truly weakens by the day You state you solve the problem with nurses working only thirty two hours by employing more In case it’s escaped your attention there is currently a forty odd thousand shortfall now and that’s working there current hours Nobody wants to wipe people’s arses now days and if they do as soon as there qualified they piss off to sun there selves in Australia for example for the rest of there natural And why are they leaving the NHS? Ask yourself that and try not to keep belittling people all the time its very immature of you,you know.XX Well I shall try harder not to be patronising How about you having an attempt to answer a question How do you presume to fill the current nurse and doctors shortfall and then find another twenty five or odd percent to allow a thirty two hour week Bearing in mind the solution is funded by the tax payer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 14:55:32 GMT
A result of a 32 hour week would be an increase in prices for pretty much everything and more taxation
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 14:58:18 GMT
And why are they leaving the NHS? Ask yourself that and try not to keep belittling people all the time its very immature of you,you know.XX Well I shall try harder not to be patronising How about you having an attempt to answer a question How do you presume to fill the current nurse and doctors shortfall and then find another twenty five or odd percent to allow a thirty two hour week Bearing in mind the solution is funded by the tax payer Firstly by offering them shorter working hours and better pay which in turn makes for a more attractive working environment.The nurses are leaving in droves because of the working hours it has to be addressed. People said a 5 day week wont work when we all worked 6.People worked and average 60 hours a week not that long ago and people said a 40 hour week wont work.Anything is possible if the will is there. As you said they are leaving in droves so the current system certainly isnt working is it? www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/17/nhs-staff-quit-record-numbers-work-life-balance
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 15:02:03 GMT
How about France , Greece and Spain ? There social policy has totally screwed their economies. Macron is trying to roll it back and reaping the consequences 34 hours in USA.Nothing to do with social policy its to do with how to get the best out of your workforce without working them to the bone.We all work 38 hours and thats mine and others decision. And 2 weeks vacation in the USA not the 5/6 weeks typical in Europe
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Post by M on Sept 23, 2019 15:03:00 GMT
And why are they leaving the NHS? Ask yourself that and try not to keep belittling people all the time its very immature of you,you know.XX Well I shall try harder not to be patronising How about you having an attempt to answer a question How do you presume to fill the current nurse and doctors shortfall and then find another twenty five or odd percent to allow a thirty two hour week Bearing in mind the solution is funded by the tax payer The shortage isn't because of people not wanting to wipe arses. It's entirely financial and political. The first year alone of training bursaries being removed saw something like 17000 less apply to train. Since the EU Ref there has been near 90% reduction in EU nationals coming over to plug gaps. It's nothing to do with wiping arses. Then we lose the ones we have because we don't give them a pay rise for over half a decade whilst making their working conditions harder due to the lack of staff. You fix that by funding the education and health service so they can pay the going rate wages we aren't even in the top ten of nations in the world for that. A nurse can pop over to Ireland and earn nearly twice as much. It's a catalogue of fuckups. Other countries can balance it. The Tories can't. Well won't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:03:09 GMT
Yep. I'm willing to pay more too if it means better infrastructure. I'd certainly rather pay higher taxes than pay more to private companies. Earnings over £150kpa should be taxed at 70% in my view. Under your scheme if I had a £150kpa job I’d take a £1kpa pay cut Anyone earning that type of money (outside sport and entertainment) more than likely works for a big company already paying business taxes and employing lots of people. It’s not always as simplistic as raising income tax That's not how tax works. You're taxed on earnings over 150k at a higher rate. That doesn't effect your earnings under it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:05:06 GMT
Yep. I'm willing to pay more too if it means better infrastructure. I'd certainly rather pay higher taxes than pay more to private companies. Earnings over £150kpa should be taxed at 70% in my view. You've said that a couple of times this week. "I'm happy to pay more". Well you might be, but it doesn't mean that everybody else is, does it? And I bet you don't. I bet you've never rung up HMRC and made a voluntary donation, have you? This "I'm happy to" very quickly becomes "I'm happy for the government to force everybody else to". That last line is exactly right. I'm very happy for people to pay for a good infrastructure, because it would mean that our lives are controlled by elected officials with a vested interest in the people of the country. Not by companies with a vested interest in profit and profit only.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:06:43 GMT
What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. So you cut people's hours, and to make up for the shortfall of staff, tax everyone more? Barmy. Read 'Utopia for Realists' shorter working weeks do not result in shortfalls of any kind.\ You would have far more nurses and doctors if they worked 32 hours a week, same for teachers.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 15:07:02 GMT
34 hours in USA.Nothing to do with social policy its to do with how to get the best out of your workforce without working them to the bone.We all work 38 hours and thats mine and others decision. And 2 weeks vacation in the USA not the 5/6 weeks typical in Europe Totally separate issue but, Knicked this off wiki tbh There is no federal or state statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays. Paid leave is at the discretion of the employers to its employees.[178][179] According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, 77% of private employers offer paid vacation to their employees; full-time employees earn on average 10 vacation days after one year of service.[180] Similarly, 77% of private employers give their employees paid time off during public holidays, on average 8 holidays per year.[180][181] Some employers offer no vacation at all.[182] The average number of paid vacation days offered by private employers is 10 days after 1 year of service, 14 days after 5 years, 17 days after 10 years, and 20 days after 20 years Scandalous.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 15:11:26 GMT
Under your scheme if I had a £150kpa job I’d take a £1kpa pay cut Anyone earning that type of money (outside sport and entertainment) more than likely works for a big company already paying business taxes and employing lots of people. It’s not always as simplistic as raising income tax That's not how tax works. You're taxed on earnings over 150k at a higher rate. That doesn't effect your earnings under it. I’d prefer to pay 45% there would be no benefit to me earning £200k knowing that the government would take £35k out of the extra £50
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