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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 18:24:53 GMT
Climate Change protesting is just Marxism with a green hat. 2050 will cost £1 trillion so it'll be stopped at its first review. 2030 hasn't even been costed because it's so insanely expensive. It's certainly anti-capitalist. And rightly so, the question is which is more valuable out of money and lives?
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Post by starkiller on Sept 20, 2019 18:49:38 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest? They are making our stuff. I don't understand how people have difficulty seeing this. I guarantee that the item you used to send that message was made there. Who's to blame, again?
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 19:20:55 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest? They are making our stuff. I don't understand how people have difficulty seeing this. I guarantee that the item you used to send that message was made there. Who's to blame, again? Aussies nailing it again
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Post by mattyd on Sept 20, 2019 19:36:34 GMT
We were talking about this at work today, and at present rates global warming could lead to a significant rise in sea levels, which could wipe out huge areas of Wales and Scotland...
So to do my bit I have decided to STOP recycling my waste to try to speed up the process, to give the people of Stoke on Trent their very own beach, imagine what it would do to house prices, Chell on Sea... Just sounds right.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 19:41:02 GMT
They are making our stuff. I don't understand how people have difficulty seeing this. I guarantee that the item you used to send that message was made there. Who's to blame, again? Aussies nailing it again "This global warming HOAX." That IS what he said, wasn't it?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 19:43:59 GMT
They are making our stuff. I don't understand how people have difficulty seeing this. I guarantee that the item you used to send that message was made there. Who's to blame, again? Aussies nailing it again Hartley-Brewer posts that much shit on Twitter I've just put a fiver on her being the next President of the USA.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 19:49:58 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 19:50:49 GMT
"This global warming HOAX." That IS what he said, wasn't it? Well the imminent disaster / end of the world if we dont act now is a hoax which I think is what he is referring too, no doubt there is global warming but I am still old enough to remember al gore saying we have 10 years to save the planet in 2006.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 19:58:27 GMT
"This global warming HOAX." That IS what he said, wasn't it? Well the imminent disaster / end of the world if we dont act now is a hoax which I think is what he is referring too, no doubt there is global warming but I am still old enough to remember al gore saying we have 10 years to save the planet in 2006..... But he didn't say that the end of the world is a hoax, he said that global warming is a hoax, didn't he?
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Post by zerps on Sept 20, 2019 20:16:56 GMT
I bet most of them drive or consume goods that rely on eddie stobart.
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 20, 2019 20:38:10 GMT
Told my stepson he's only allowed to go if he gets some fanny. He's 13 and pretends he doesn't know what fanny is. That's one off the streets today, thank me later.
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2019 21:41:31 GMT
Less than .2% of there usage is solar panel powered. What would actually happen if we run out of fossil fuels? They are going to run out eventually anyway so aside from the obvious things that are powered by fossil fuels (cars, heating, etc.), would not having them anymore have some kind of environmental impact? Soylent Green
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Post by musik on Sept 20, 2019 21:51:04 GMT
Climate Change protesting is just Marxism with a green hat. 2050 will cost £1 trillion so it'll be stopped at its first review. 2030 hasn't even been costed because it's so insanely expensive. It could be considered savings, not costs. But for real costs, if we did absolutely nothing, what would it cost do you think? To me it's not about left or right on a political scale at all. It's about saving ourselves.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 20, 2019 22:01:40 GMT
This Greta Thunberg does my fucking head in for a number of reasons.
Let's work through them methodically.
1. She embodies the left's unhealthy obsession with youth. It's a real Peter Pan weirdo fantasy that exalts childhood as some sort of virtue that the rest of us should be entranced by. It's almost as if they think we should remember what it is to be an innocent child, do a little cry, and fall, weeping into each other's arms. It's creepy as fuck.
2. This moron has forsaken her education. So now I should be listening to some truanting piece of gallavanting filth who's off on a jolly, totally ignoring the fact that I have worked and paid my arse off to get educated to postgrad level? But what, she has fucking pigtails and doesn't go to school we should all suddenly drop our clearly superior intellects to listen to little Wednesday?
3. The girl is clearly autistic. This is no slight on anyone living with autism, but obsessive fantasies are a common feature of the condition. It doesn't mean we indulge in any little autistic kid's obsession with red legos, or eating each piece of food on a plate separately!
4. The poor girl is clearly a victim of parental neglect. They are encouraging and enabling her truancy, as well as manipulating her for their own selfish political motives, and they should be arrested and imprisoned and Greta herself taken into care. It's brainwashing.
5. Poor Greta doesn't have a fucking clue what she's on about, as demonstrated by the recent farce over having her boat flown home. Not only does she not know what she's on about, she's actually quite stupid.
(Probably because she's missed so much school)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 20, 2019 22:10:42 GMT
Climate Change protesting is just Marxism with a green hat. 2050 will cost £1 trillion so it'll be stopped at its first review. 2030 hasn't even been costed because it's so insanely expensive. So what do we do, going forwards then? Pressure China, India and USA to curb their carbon output. Educate Greta's generation not to buy the latest iPhone.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 23:10:03 GMT
So what do we do, going forwards then? Pressure China, India and USA to curb their carbon output. Educate Greta's generation not to buy the latest iPhone. Isn't that just "Marxism with a green hat"? People are protesting because they want to put pressure on China, India and the USA, as well as their own governments. As well as creating general awareness, they have certainly educated me.
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Post by rivival on Sept 21, 2019 1:21:59 GMT
A generation that moan about climate change but can't put their McDonalds paper in a bin.
Spoilt brats living in a cocooned world.
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Post by prettything on Sept 21, 2019 2:15:38 GMT
A generation that moan about climate change but can't put their McDonalds paper in a bin. Spoilt brats living in a cocooned world. This country is a lot cleaner than when I grew up . Back then, people didn't even put their dog shit in the bin. Just left it for someone to walk in or fall over . The usual coalition of hate on this board . It must be hard to be so resentful all the time. Well done to the kids today. They would have learnt a lot more today than in a classroom. Keep putting pressure on the politicians to deliver their promises. 👍
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 21, 2019 4:01:57 GMT
A generation that moan about climate change but can't put their McDonalds paper in a bin. Spoilt brats living in a cocooned world. This country is a lot cleaner than when I grew up . Back then, people didn't even put their dog shit in the bin. Just left it for someone to walk in or fall over . The usual coalition of hate on this board . It must be hard to be so resentful all the time. Well done to the kids today. They would have learnt a lot more today than in a classroom. Keep putting pressure on the politicians to deliver their promises. 👍 It’s good that young people take an interest in the wider world. But it is not unreasonable to ask, as they demonstrate / posture their environmental concerns, while they “walk the walk” do they actually “walk the walk”. Meaning, it’s all well and good going on demonstrations but what are they doing personally about their contribution to the problem. A little self reflection on their part might be useful - do they really need all those clothes, new digital gadgets. Do they need to spend so much time up in the clouds. Do they need to eat so much fast food. Etc etc etc. One of the bad behaviours this type of protest encourages is the belief that it is always someone else who needs to do “something”. Another generation coming forward with lots of ideas for other folk ain’t going to help much.
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Post by prettything on Sept 21, 2019 4:32:52 GMT
This country is a lot cleaner than when I grew up . Back then, people didn't even put their dog shit in the bin. Just left it for someone to walk in or fall over . The usual coalition of hate on this board . It must be hard to be so resentful all the time. Well done to the kids today. They would have learnt a lot more today than in a classroom. Keep putting pressure on the politicians to deliver their promises. 👍 It’s good that young people take an interest in the wider world. But it is not unreasonable to ask, as they demonstrate / posture their environmental concerns, while they “walk the walk” do they actually “walk the walk”. Meaning, it’s all well and good going on demonstrations but what are they doing personally about their contribution to the problem. A little self reflection on their part might be useful - do they really need all those clothes, new digital gadgets. Do they need to spend so much time up in the clouds. Do they need to eat so much fast food. Etc etc etc. One of the bad behaviours this type of protest encourages is the belief that it is always someone else who needs to do “something”. Another generation coming forward with lots of ideas for other folk ain’t going to help much. Valid points. But how do we not know they don’t “walk the walk”? If throwing mud at these kids for such a good intentioned act is all that people can muster, then I feel a lot better about the new generation coming through than I do of those criticising . Kids have it a lot harder than when I was growing up. Buying a house, paying for education etc. And now environmental damage, that they, and their kids, will have to deal with in our absence . I’m glad they have taken the time and effort to attend yesterday’s rallies. If it shines a light over there own, our, and the rest of the worlds current behaviours, it will prove to be well worth the effort.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Sept 21, 2019 6:36:33 GMT
I think it's fantastic these kids getting up off their arses and protesting raising awareness about the future.
I think the older generation should step up to the mark and have our own protests.
At 9.00am and 3.00pm go to you local school and block all the roads round there. Get these 4x4 gas guzzlers off the road for the 500 yard journey the parents make.
We should start with St Joseph's college I bet little Tarquin and Portia won't be to bothered about climate change when stuck on the roads of trent vale for an extra couple of hours a day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 6:36:39 GMT
A generation that moan about climate change but can't put their McDonalds paper in a bin. Spoilt brats living in a cocooned world. I agree in general about spoilt brats.....but they’re not wrong on climate id hate to be a youngster these days
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2019 7:23:20 GMT
I agree mate and to be honest I'd fully back any 'extreme' initiative that serves to protect the planet because everything is moving far too slow. An outright ban on single use plastics now / No plastic wrapping in supermarkets / Only recyclable glass for beverages / Electric cars only within 10 years / Clean energy only within 10 years. I really don't care how it's funded or if it has a short term negative impact on living standards. They can slap massive eco-taxes on companies supplying products or services that damage the environment for all I care. Though I don't see it happening. All governments are basically unwilling to take a hit financially and are hoping that if something catastrophic happens, that it happens to someone else first. I agree, but electric cars are mostly useless anyway, the resources used to build them will run out before fossil fuels do, and the carbon footprint of mining these is very high. What we need to do is stop burning fossil fuels by 2030. Nuclear, solar, wind, tidal, hydroelectric are all ready to step in, but no-one can be arsed to pay the costs. Either exponential growth based capitalism is dead or we are. You are wrong about solar and wind
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2019 7:28:29 GMT
They are making our stuff. I don't understand how people have difficulty seeing this. I guarantee that the item you used to send that message was made there. Who's to blame, again? Aussies nailing it again Very simplistic view of things, what about the quality of air that children are breathing in, the loss of habitat and the natural world, the loss of carbon sinks etc. There's a lot more that goes along with climate change if you believe it or not.
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2019 7:29:38 GMT
"This global warming HOAX." That IS what he said, wasn't it? Yes, only the really really thick can ignore the science about the rise in global temperatures
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 21, 2019 7:32:02 GMT
It’s good that young people take an interest in the wider world. But it is not unreasonable to ask, as they demonstrate / posture their environmental concerns, while they “walk the walk” do they actually “walk the walk”. Meaning, it’s all well and good going on demonstrations but what are they doing personally about their contribution to the problem. A little self reflection on their part might be useful - do they really need all those clothes, new digital gadgets. Do they need to spend so much time up in the clouds. Do they need to eat so much fast food. Etc etc etc. One of the bad behaviours this type of protest encourages is the belief that it is always someone else who needs to do “something”. Another generation coming forward with lots of ideas for other folk ain’t going to help much. Valid points. But how do we not know they don’t “walk the walk”? If throwing mud at these kids for such a good intentioned act is all that people can muster, then I feel a lot better about the new generation coming through than I do of those criticising . Kids have it a lot harder than when I was growing up. Buying a house, paying for education etc. And now environmental damage, that they, and their kids, will have to deal with in our absence . I’m glad they have taken the time and effort to attend yesterday’s rallies. If it shines a light over there own, our, and the rest of the worlds current behaviours, it will prove to be well worth the effort. I guess you could look around you. It ain’t hard to see. Our young people have challenges to face - but so have young people at all time. What we can say is the current young generation are more privileged and protected than any previous one. My biggest worry for them is they have been inoculated from much of life’s problems so they have not developed the resilience they will need in the adult life they will eventually enter. And there are huge challenges for twenty somethings especially in finding good jobs. BTW - these eco warriors seem rather homogenous. Another manifestation of middle class liberal white guilt in this case transposed onto their children.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2019 7:33:10 GMT
This Greta Thunberg does my fucking head in for a number of reasons. Let's work through them methodically. 1. She embodies the left's unhealthy obsession with youth. It's a real Peter Pan weirdo fantasy that exalts childhood as some sort of virtue that the rest of us should be entranced by. It's almost as if they think we should remember what it is to be an innocent child, do a little cry, and fall, weeping into each other's arms. It's creepy as fuck. 2. This moron has forsaken her education. So now I should be listening to some truanting piece of gallavanting filth who's off on a jolly, totally ignoring the fact that I have worked and paid my arse off to get educated to postgrad level? But what, she has fucking pigtails and doesn't go to school we should all suddenly drop our clearly superior intellects to listen to little Wednesday? 3. The girl is clearly autistic. This is no slight on anyone living with autism, but obsessive fantasies are a common feature of the condition. It doesn't mean we indulge in any little autistic kid's obsession with red legos, or eating each piece of food on a plate separately! 4. The poor girl is clearly a victim of parental neglect. They are encouraging and enabling her truancy, as well as manipulating her for their own selfish political motives, and they should be arrested and imprisoned and Greta herself taken into care. It's brainwashing. 5. Poor Greta doesn't have a fucking clue what she's on about, as demonstrated by the recent farce over having her boat flown home. Not only does she not know what she's on about, she's actually quite stupid. (Probably because she's missed so much school) Yeah, she’s so stupid she speaks English better than some of our kids. How’s your Swedish coming along... Skit
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2019 7:33:36 GMT
A generation that moan about climate change but can't put their McDonalds paper in a bin. Spoilt brats living in a cocooned world. I think you'll find the ones protesting will probably dispose of their litter correctly, the ones who aren't there will be the littering tossers.
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2019 7:35:21 GMT
We were talking about this at work today, and at present rates global warming could lead to a significant rise in sea levels, which could wipe out huge areas of Wales and Scotland... So to do my bit I have decided to STOP recycling my waste to try to speed up the process, to give the people of Stoke on Trent their very own beach, imagine what it would do to house prices, Chell on Sea... Just sounds right. It would take out Norfolk and London first, carry on 😉
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2019 7:43:12 GMT
Sadly, we’re already doing it and have been for the past three or four decades. There is no sign that the human race has any strong desire to call a halt to it as it’s always somebody else who is at fault. And the worst of it is that we are no longer “sleep walking” in to it. Virtually all sane people know what is going on and what is going to happen but are either too powerless or apathetic to do anything serious to change things. I think the only real way to make a change is to implement massive eco-taxes and penalties across the board. I can see the EU doing this eventually but not so much individual countries trying to compete economically (and I'm not referencing Brexit in anyway here). I'm just pointing out that a concerted effort would heed better results. I'd even be happy to pay a little more tax if it was set aside for the development of eco-friendly tech. Have another referendum 'Are you happy to pay 1% more tax if it all goes to green initiatives?'. It would be interesting to see what the result would be. Though even if most people agreed they'd probably debate the result for 3 years before anything is done. EUETS, EU emissions trading scheme EPBD MPCD CCA Carbon emissions tax (from 1st Nov) Some of the schemes already in place, there are others, some are a tax, some are control with fines
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