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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 7:53:17 GMT
Excellent video here by Monbiot and Thunberg
Sad that we have to get to this point, where students have to lose education to protest things like this, but good luck to any and all attending.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 20, 2019 7:54:04 GMT
I hope it stays fine for them.
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2019 8:06:40 GMT
Excellent video here by Monbiot and Thunberg Sad that we have to get to this point, where students have to lose education to protest things like this, but good luck to any and all attending. Good that they added an older person in there as I find Greta a bit irritating if I'm honest. Would be good if they implemented more eco type days that got communities working together. Picking litter, planting trees, developing habitats for local wildlife, etc.
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Post by musik on Sept 20, 2019 8:09:12 GMT
"Tropical forest cut down ... 30 football pitches a minute"?? Shouldn't it be per month?
"Up to 200 species each day"?? Shouldn't it be per year?
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 20, 2019 8:32:34 GMT
"Tropical forest cut down ... 30 football pitches a minute"?? Shouldn't it be per month? "Up to 200 species each day"?? Shouldn't it be per year? The football one is correct.Every minute possibly more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 8:37:37 GMT
Excellent video here by Monbiot and Thunberg Sad that we have to get to this point, where students have to lose education to protest things like this, but good luck to any and all attending. Good that they added an older person in there as I find Greta a bit irritating if I'm honest. Would be good if they implemented more eco type days that got communities working together. Picking litter, planting trees, developing habitats for local wildlife, etc. Absolutely, but I think the biggest issue is a large systemic change. It's been the norm for 30/40 years now to blame individuals, 'your car is a gas guzzler' etc. But 100 companies are the source of over 70% of the world's CO 2. We need a huge shift, beyond a 'make do and mend' style community day, although I do like that idea.
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2019 9:39:15 GMT
Good that they added an older person in there as I find Greta a bit irritating if I'm honest. Would be good if they implemented more eco type days that got communities working together. Picking litter, planting trees, developing habitats for local wildlife, etc. Absolutely, but I think the biggest issue is a large systemic change. It's been the norm for 30/40 years now to blame individuals, 'your car is a gas guzzler' etc. But 100 companies are the source of over 70% of the world's CO 2. We need a huge shift, beyond a 'make do and mend' style community day, although I do like that idea. I agree mate and to be honest I'd fully back any 'extreme' initiative that serves to protect the planet because everything is moving far too slow. An outright ban on single use plastics now / No plastic wrapping in supermarkets / Only recyclable glass for beverages / Electric cars only within 10 years / Clean energy only within 10 years. I really don't care how it's funded or if it has a short term negative impact on living standards. They can slap massive eco-taxes on companies supplying products or services that damage the environment for all I care. Though I don't see it happening. All governments are basically unwilling to take a hit financially and are hoping that if something catastrophic happens, that it happens to someone else first.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 20, 2019 10:35:34 GMT
I've spent a lot of time up Keele library reading up on Climate Change over the last few years and I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of it is down to rapid industrialisation with very little government regulation..in particular India, China, South East Asia, parts of Africa, South America (Brazil in particular) which has impacted massively on the planet.
The evidence is there to see for all those that wish to see it.
The massive problem of course is that change needs to come through Global political solutions not National ones.
Telling everyone they need electric cars within 10 years won't go down well with the electorate or with the billions of people on earth who don't own cars.
But I agree with your sentiment, change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon, or we will sleep walk into irreversible catastrophe.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 20, 2019 10:50:59 GMT
"Tropical forest cut down ... 30 football pitches a minute"?? Shouldn't it be per month? "Up to 200 species each day"?? Shouldn't it be per year? The football one is correct.Every minute possibly more. It's enough to make you weep, if we'd been growing hemp instead of demonising it for the last 80 years we might not be in this mess, certainly not as much of a mess. Still, they did manage to victimise anyone that wasn't white and protect own their own oil and paper interests at the same time so job done I suppose And it was a cracking lie to be fair, most of the world was fooled for nearly a century by it, round of applause for Mr Anslinger.
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Post by Northy on Sept 20, 2019 11:24:30 GMT
Just joined the protest in Bude this morning , walk round the streets, nipped off for a cream tea before the 2 minute road sit in at 1pm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 11:35:13 GMT
Absolutely, but I think the biggest issue is a large systemic change. It's been the norm for 30/40 years now to blame individuals, 'your car is a gas guzzler' etc. But 100 companies are the source of over 70% of the world's CO 2. We need a huge shift, beyond a 'make do and mend' style community day, although I do like that idea. I agree mate and to be honest I'd fully back any 'extreme' initiative that serves to protect the planet because everything is moving far too slow. An outright ban on single use plastics now / No plastic wrapping in supermarkets / Only recyclable glass for beverages / Electric cars only within 10 years / Clean energy only within 10 years. I really don't care how it's funded or if it has a short term negative impact on living standards. They can slap massive eco-taxes on companies supplying products or services that damage the environment for all I care. Though I don't see it happening. All governments are basically unwilling to take a hit financially and are hoping that if something catastrophic happens, that it happens to someone else first. I agree, but electric cars are mostly useless anyway, the resources used to build them will run out before fossil fuels do, and the carbon footprint of mining these is very high. What we need to do is stop burning fossil fuels by 2030. Nuclear, solar, wind, tidal, hydroelectric are all ready to step in, but no-one can be arsed to pay the costs. Either exponential growth based capitalism is dead or we are.
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Post by yeokel on Sept 20, 2019 11:51:40 GMT
I've spent a lot of time up Keele library reading up on Climate Change over the last few years and I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of it is down to rapid industrialisation with very little government regulation..in particular India, China, South East Asia, parts of Africa, South America (Brazil in particular) which has impacted massively on the planet. The evidence is there to see for all those that wish to see it. The massive problem of course is that change needs to come through Global political solutions not National ones. Telling everyone they need electric cars within 10 years won't go down well with the electorate or with the billions of people on earth who don't own cars. But I agree with your sentiment, change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon, or we will sleep walk into irreversible catastrophe. Sadly, we’re already doing it and have been for the past three or four decades. There is no sign that the human race has any strong desire to call a halt to it as it’s always somebody else who is at fault. And the worst of it is that we are no longer “sleep walking” in to it. Virtually all sane people know what is going on and what is going to happen but are either too powerless or apathetic to do anything serious to change things.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 20, 2019 11:54:31 GMT
I've spent a lot of time up Keele library reading up on Climate Change over the last few years and I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of it is down to rapid industrialisation with very little government regulation..in particular India, China, South East Asia, parts of Africa, South America (Brazil in particular) which has impacted massively on the planet. Don’t forget Australia, Most of their energy comes from coal & the export. Australia, with all those hours of sunlight. Surely they have some space for a few solar panels...
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 20, 2019 12:14:59 GMT
I've spent a lot of time up Keele library reading up on Climate Change over the last few years and I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of it is down to rapid industrialisation with very little government regulation..in particular India, China, South East Asia, parts of Africa, South America (Brazil in particular) which has impacted massively on the planet. Don’t forget Australia, Most of their energy comes from coal & the export. Australia, with all those hours of sunlight. Surely they have some space for a few solar panels... Less than .2% of their usage is solar panel powered.
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2019 12:19:27 GMT
I've spent a lot of time up Keele library reading up on Climate Change over the last few years and I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of it is down to rapid industrialisation with very little government regulation..in particular India, China, South East Asia, parts of Africa, South America (Brazil in particular) which has impacted massively on the planet. The evidence is there to see for all those that wish to see it. The massive problem of course is that change needs to come through Global political solutions not National ones. Telling everyone they need electric cars within 10 years won't go down well with the electorate or with the billions of people on earth who don't own cars. But I agree with your sentiment, change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon, or we will sleep walk into irreversible catastrophe. Sadly, we’re already doing it and have been for the past three or four decades. There is no sign that the human race has any strong desire to call a halt to it as it’s always somebody else who is at fault. And the worst of it is that we are no longer “sleep walking” in to it. Virtually all sane people know what is going on and what is going to happen but are either too powerless or apathetic to do anything serious to change things. I think the only real way to make a change is to implement massive eco-taxes and penalties across the board. I can see the EU doing this eventually but not so much individual countries trying to compete economically (and I'm not referencing Brexit in anyway here). I'm just pointing out that a concerted effort would heed better results. I'd even be happy to pay a little more tax if it was set aside for the development of eco-friendly tech. Have another referendum 'Are you happy to pay 1% more tax if it all goes to green initiatives?'. It would be interesting to see what the result would be. Though even if most people agreed they'd probably debate the result for 3 years before anything is done.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 20, 2019 12:20:23 GMT
Don’t forget Australia, Most of their energy comes from coal & the export. Australia, with all those hours of sunlight. Surely they have some space for a few solar panels... Less than .2% of there usage is solar panel powered. Boooooooooo...
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2019 12:23:54 GMT
Don’t forget Australia, Most of their energy comes from coal & the export. Australia, with all those hours of sunlight. Surely they have some space for a few solar panels... Less than .2% of there usage is solar panel powered. What would actually happen if we run out of fossil fuels? They are going to run out eventually anyway so aside from the obvious things that are powered by fossil fuels (cars, heating, etc.), would not having them anymore have some kind of environmental impact?
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 20, 2019 12:30:51 GMT
Like most solutions to the problems of the world, it can be massively helped by proper and high taxation enforced against rich companies.
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Post by yeokel on Sept 20, 2019 12:36:38 GMT
It requires people to change things, not companies. Companies and governments will follow popular opinion if popular opinion is expressed strongly enough and is ‘popular’ enough
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 20, 2019 13:17:49 GMT
Less than .2% of there usage is solar panel powered. What would actually happen if we run out of fossil fuels? They are going to run out eventually anyway so aside from the obvious things that are powered by fossil fuels (cars, heating, etc.), would not having them anymore have some kind of environmental impact? There will be riots,complete breakdown of law and order and the end of "civilisation as we know it".Add on to this the extra 10 billion humans and were fucked. And Im not joking.I dont think I am anyway.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 20, 2019 14:07:57 GMT
What are they protesting about now? We've already committed to zero carbon by 2050 at a cost of £1 trillion.
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2019 14:34:02 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 20, 2019 15:01:38 GMT
"Tropical forest cut down ... 30 football pitches a minute"?? Shouldn't it be per month? "Up to 200 species each day"?? Shouldn't it be per year? The football one is correct.Every minute possibly more. It's awful!!! Will it be anything left next week?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 20, 2019 16:43:59 GMT
Climate Change protesting is just Marxism with a green hat. 2050 will cost £1 trillion so it'll be stopped at its first review. 2030 hasn't even been costed because it's so insanely expensive.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 17:08:53 GMT
Climate Change protesting is just Marxism with a green hat. 2050 will cost £1 trillion so it'll be stopped at its first review. 2030 hasn't even been costed because it's so insanely expensive. So what do we do, going forwards then?
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Post by Boothen on Sept 20, 2019 17:12:55 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest?
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Post by musik on Sept 20, 2019 17:19:02 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest? Is it allowed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:34:32 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest? They are, it's a worldwide protest.
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Post by felonious on Sept 20, 2019 17:53:21 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest? Isn't the USA the worst polluter. Radio 2 suggesting as much as 25%.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 17:59:44 GMT
And yet, we in the UK only produce about 1% of worldwide harmful emissions. Meanwhile, in China, possibly the world's worst polluter. Hmmm, I wonder why these people are not all marching on the Forbidden city in protest? I'm not really sure what the point is that you are making ... you're surely not suggesting that because China is so bad, then that (in itself) means we're doing ok? I'm specifically referring to your use of the word "only".
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