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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2019 10:57:50 GMT
It’s unbelievable isn’t it mate What is? Why do you think we're in the position we are? It's the board. Why are they untouchable? Because there is no one else with a blind bit of interest in Stoke City that would a) want it b) could afford it and c) take over that debt. What you struggling with?
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 17, 2019 11:05:03 GMT
But don’t dare to point some criticism in their direction else the happy clappers on the oatcake will take this as us wanting them out. Not wanting to run on the pitch and make a total bellend of yourself doesn't equate to being a "happy clapper" Again I didn’t say I wanted to run on the pitch, purely that in the past we would’ve been under similar circumstances. That is almost fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 11:11:25 GMT
Not wanting to run on the pitch and make a total bellend of yourself doesn't equate to being a "happy clapper" Again I didn’t say I wanted to run on the pitch, purely that in the past we would’ve been under similar circumstances. That is almost fact. We went through many periods where we were absolutely shit and fans didn't run onto the pitch. In 89/90 for example we finished bottom of Divsion Two (The Championship), no one ran on the pitch (apart from for a scrap maybe?)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 11:20:59 GMT
What is? Why do you think we're in the position we are? It's the board. Why are they untouchable? Because there is no one else with a blind bit of interest in Stoke City that would a) want it b) could afford it and c) take over that debt. What you struggling with? So we do nothing? This isn't about wanting them gone. It's about wanting them to actually run the club properly. Something they haven't done for a bit too long now. What are you struggling with?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2019 11:23:35 GMT
Because there is no one else with a blind bit of interest in Stoke City that would a) want it b) could afford it and c) take over that debt. What you struggling with? So we do nothing? This isn't about wanting them gone. It's about wanting them to actually run the club properly. Something they haven't done for a bit too long now. What are you struggling with? What are you suggesting then?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 17, 2019 11:24:20 GMT
Because there is no one else with a blind bit of interest in Stoke City that would a) want it b) could afford it and c) take over that debt. What you struggling with? So we do nothing? This isn't about wanting them gone. It's about wanting them to actually run the club properly. Something they haven't done for a bit too long now. What are you struggling with? Surely they are running it as ‘properly’ as they know how. They aren’t deliberately running it into the ground ..... unless it’s some sort of bizarre tax scam that is way above my understanding!
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 17, 2019 11:26:27 GMT
I believe £150m is from the accounts prior to the Rowett summer splurge and treating Jonesy to a new team in July, it must be over £200m now and rising by the day with no means of paying it back. I think our debt is the elephant in the room, it's a bigger long term problem than our league form. If Denise tells the boys to stop wasting the family silver when all they get for it is abuse we're up the Trent without a paddle. Who remembers Project Break Even ? It's more like Project Go Bust. This. Our financial situation is very worrying given the threat of relegation. The last thing we can afford is the Coates family turning it’s back on us. Another relegation and we’re in deep doodoo without them.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 17, 2019 11:27:08 GMT
It’s unbelievable isn’t it mate What is? Why do you think we're in the position we are? It's the board. Why are they untouchable? Unfortunately they are not only the board of directors they are also the owners. They are not publicly traded so they are accountable only to themselves and can do what ever they like as long as it’s not illegal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 11:30:16 GMT
So we do nothing? This isn't about wanting them gone. It's about wanting them to actually run the club properly. Something they haven't done for a bit too long now. What are you struggling with? What are you suggesting then? Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 11:31:24 GMT
So we do nothing? This isn't about wanting them gone. It's about wanting them to actually run the club properly. Something they haven't done for a bit too long now. What are you struggling with? Surely they are running it as ‘properly’ as they know how. They aren’t deliberately running it into the ground ..... unless it’s some sort of bizarre tax scam that is way above my understanding! And that’s the issue. They think they’re doing ok. When clearly they’re not.
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 17, 2019 11:35:40 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. Their decisions can be questioned, yes. And I hope that’s what you mean?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2019 11:37:48 GMT
What are you suggesting then? Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. How are you proposing we as fans get that message across? Which is what this thread is all about?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 11:40:26 GMT
Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. How are you proposing we as fans get that message across? Which is what this thread is all about? I think two of them can be achieved by Scholes hearing his name in the stand. The point of a sporting director is one that is hard but you’d hope they’d realise that the current model is unsustainable and expensive. They have to realise they have fucked up. Which seems the biggest issue presently.
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2019 11:42:18 GMT
I believe £150m is from the accounts prior to the Rowett summer splurge and treating Jonesy to a new team in July, it must be over £200m now and rising by the day with no means of paying it back. I think our debt is the elephant in the room, it's a bigger long term problem than our league form. If Denise tells the boys to stop wasting the family silver when all they get for it is abuse we're up the Trent without a paddle. Who remembers Project Break Even ? It's more like Project Go Bust. This. Our financial situation is very worrying given the threat of relegation. The last thing we can afford is the Coates family turning it’s back on us. Another relegation and we’re in deep doodoo without them. But they'd be the people responsible for another relegation (which would actually be their third to the the third tier of English football in thirty years!). Are we actually saying they're above criticism here? I'm not sure the fluffy memories of ten years in the Premier League would count for much if we're watching our team getting dicked at places like Oxford, Southend and Gillingham again.
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Post by marrer on Sept 17, 2019 11:42:48 GMT
Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. How are you proposing we as fans get that message across? Which is what this thread is all about? Ahh Bagnall- bloody great place. Decent pub although I prefer the Travellers Rest at Stanley. Maybe we should all meet for a few pints and try and figure it all out....
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 17, 2019 11:52:26 GMT
I think we should have a whip round and a fans buyout. Fans are never wrong and are beyond criticism. What can possibly go wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 11:53:11 GMT
How are you proposing we as fans get that message across? Which is what this thread is all about? I think two of them can be achieved by Scholes hearing his name in the stand. The point of a sporting director is one that is hard but you’d hope they’d realise that the current model is unsustainable and expensive. They have to realise they have fucked up. Which seems the biggest issue presently. So your masterplan is to shout "Scholes Out" at the game. Cool.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 17, 2019 11:55:17 GMT
The board have decisions they SHOULD be making but haven't. It's certainly not for lack of investment or devotion to the club that has us in this mess, but terrible practice by the board.
Bring in an actual techical director/sporting director. Define a vision and pathway for the football club for whoever the manager is to aspire to. Make it someone with excellent footballing knowledge with experience in the game.
Either sack Scholes or move him into an actual bean counting position. Stick to finances and financial performance etc...
Peter to officially state whether it is him or Jon as Chairman (It is Jon really but some official confirmation would be good, still down as Vice on the site)
Increase the scouting network, let's not just be signing players from English Leagues, get worldwide. No doubt we probably do miss Hughes connections and sway on clubs (even though we got some stinkers)
Club philosophies, we don't seem to have any right now. Promote youth, hunt down hidden gems, take a good look at the Brentford model of working.
At no point am I advocating the removal of the board, but changes need to be made internally at the club to start turning this fast sinking ship around.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 17, 2019 11:57:01 GMT
The Board have injected huge sums into the club, some great choice managers, some poor- same with players
Scholes, Cartwright and Coates jnr are the triumvirate of our rise and decline
Cartwright out, Chapple in
Is it enough of a change?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 17, 2019 12:06:28 GMT
Surely they are running it as ‘properly’ as they know how. They aren’t deliberately running it into the ground ..... unless it’s some sort of bizarre tax scam that is way above my understanding! And that’s the issue. They think they’re doing ok. When clearly they’re not. They are doing the best they can and keeping us financially afloat. If you think there is anything better than that on offer out there I’d love to hear about it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 12:17:35 GMT
And that’s the issue. They think they’re doing ok. When clearly they’re not. They are doing the best they can and keeping us financially afloat. If you think there is anything better than that on offer out there I’d love to hear about it. If this is the best they can offer then we're seriously fucked.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2019 12:39:50 GMT
I think we should have a whip round and a fans buyout. Fans are never wrong and are beyond criticism. What can possibly go wrong?
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Post by marrer on Sept 17, 2019 12:40:26 GMT
They are doing the best they can and keeping us financially afloat. If you think there is anything better than that on offer out there I’d love to hear about it. If this is the best they can offer then we're seriously fucked. I wouldn't mind getting fucked. Lean pickings at the moment if you know what I mean. Think I've been married too long.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2019 12:49:33 GMT
Again I didn’t say I wanted to run on the pitch, purely that in the past we would’ve been under similar circumstances. That is almost fact. We went through many periods where we were absolutely shit and fans didn't run onto the pitch. In 89/90 for example we finished bottom of Divsion Two (The Championship), no one ran on the pitch (apart from for a scrap maybe?) or to celebrate relegation away at Brighton and then again in the last home game v Swindon (I think).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2019 12:50:45 GMT
What are you suggesting then? Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. Other than being Denise's husband/partner, what exactly has Richard Smith achieved in his professional life?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 12:54:55 GMT
Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. Other than being Denise's husband/partner, what exactly has Richard Smith achieved in his professional life? His background is construction. Let's think about that for a moment and his involvement with Stoke City. Training Ground. Numerous projects of improvement delivered on time. New Corner. Despite suffering a number of issues with existing foundations, the project was delivered on time. I'd say as far as the boardroom goes, he's the only competent one in there with a track record of delivering results on tasks!
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2019 13:07:41 GMT
Other than being Denise's husband/partner, what exactly has Richard Smith achieved in his professional life? His background is construction. Let's think about that for a moment and his involvement with Stoke City. Training Ground. Numerous projects of improvement delivered on time. New Corner. Despite suffering a number of issues with existing foundations, the project was delivered on time. I'd say as far as the boardroom goes, he's the only competent one in there with a track record of delivering results on tasks! Sound like Boris Johnson, he always promises to build a bridge when he runs out of road :-)
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2019 13:10:03 GMT
What are you suggesting then? Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. Agree re Scholes and technical director What's so amazing about Richard Smith from a football aspect? Replacing Scholes with a proper technical director would be an enormous change in itself.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2019 13:12:46 GMT
Turning on the executives certainly seemed to focus their minds and kicking Rowett's arse down the road.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 13:14:56 GMT
Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. Agree re Scholes and technical director What's so amazing about Richard Smith from a football aspect? Replacing Scholes with a proper technical director would be an enormous change in itself. I don't want the Chairman involved with the football aspect tbh. Chairman to control the finances and be a figurehead. Do we actually need one? I have no idea tbh.
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