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Post by LGH87 on Sept 17, 2019 9:51:05 GMT
On to the board. For me, they are still going without anywhere near enough criticism as they probably should be.
The lack of any long term plan has always been in the background but only now is it beginning to truly bite us on the arse. We hand out big, long contracts to ageing players and we have done since Pulis.
There is little to no player development, we almost never sign players and sell them on for profit, everything just always seems so shortsighted.
But people seem to think they’re beyond criticism after delivering premier league football, frozen season tickets and free travel, when the fact of the matter is, yes managers and players have underperformed but those at the top are the route cause.
I honestly believe if this was 99/00 not 19/20, we’d have been on the pitch weeks if not months ago!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 9:56:33 GMT
Yeah let's all pile on the pitch and storm the boardroom, and watch the Coates family convert their shareholding back to a £150m loan that they want paying back with interest.......
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2019 10:04:42 GMT
I believe £150m is from the accounts prior to the Rowett summer splurge and treating Jonesy to a new team in July, it must be over £200m now and rising by the day with no means of paying it back.
I think our debt is the elephant in the room, it's a bigger long term problem than our league form.
If Denise tells the boys to stop wasting the family silver when all they get for it is abuse we're up the Trent without a paddle.
Who remembers Project Break Even ? It's more like Project Go Bust.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 10:07:50 GMT
Has to be now.
They are the issue.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 17, 2019 10:08:59 GMT
Disagree with the opening post.
I think they did have a long term plan, which was self-sustainability. Unfortunately in the "business" that is football, and particularly Premier League football, this is not an option.
They've been slow to react previously, Hughes, and then made decisions that ultimately haven't worked out. Rowett on paper looked like a decent appointment. Decent experience in the division and they decided to forgo the long term self sustainability plan and back him heavily. They were then quick to react when it wasn't working and clearly relationships were breaking down.
They took a bold step of employing someone without experience but a growing reputation- different approach from Rowett and again someone I think the majority were OK with and willing to give him a go (even though a fair few of us didn't know who he was).
They've been cautious, bold, reactive, proactive, vocal and then held their counsel. I honesty believe they are trying their best to get the club back on the premier league but at the moment, much like everything on the pitch, it's just disaster after disaster.
The board are not free from criticism for the decisions they've made but I feel as though there has been logic behind them (with the exception of Lambert, who was cheap and we were desperate).
They're paying for it now.
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Post by potter25 on Sept 17, 2019 10:09:33 GMT
3rd of never
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:09:35 GMT
Every player is an ageing player
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 17, 2019 10:11:34 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. But what can we do about it , there’s absolutely no one out their with there love for the club and their money , yes they make mistakes but better the devil you know , and I’m sure they’re learn from them
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 10:13:18 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. But what can we do about it , there’s absolutely no one out their with there love for the club and their money , yes they make mistakes but better the devil you know , and I’m sure they’re learn from them I don't want them out of the club. But they sure as shit need to realise that they're not really up to running a club in this day and age and need football people around them and to leave it to them. They learn from mistakes? Have you missed the last 4 years?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 17, 2019 10:15:41 GMT
The process was to buy younger player's who we could sell on for a profit. Unfortunately these players were Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:18:36 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. But what can we do about it , there’s absolutely no one out their with there love for the club and their money , yes they make mistakes but better the devil you know , and I’m sure they’re learn from them Yes lessons definitely seem to have been learnt...
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 17, 2019 10:22:38 GMT
Yeah let's all pile on the pitch and storm the boardroom, and watch the Coates family convert their shareholding back to a £150m loan that they want paying back with interest....... I’m not saying pile on the pitch, it was more to raise the point how we seem to have become a more passive fan base in recent times. There’s no chance 20 years ago we’d have put up with such a sustained period of shit.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Sept 17, 2019 10:31:46 GMT
Not wanting the 19th richest family (and climbing by >£1bn per year) in Britain out of the club whilst simultaneously wanting to protest against them is some kind of moronic paradox that I reckon you could only ever see on The Oatcake.
It's like an unemployed ugly fat bloke threatening his 10/10 supermodel billionaire wife with a hammer, daily, because he doesn't like her diet.
Stoke are punching above their weight massively with the Coates family. Don't fuck it up, you thick bastards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:32:21 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. What has to be now? Whats your plan, wave placards outside the main stand, boycott the games, red card protest, offer £150m and run the club yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:33:59 GMT
Yeah let's all pile on the pitch and storm the boardroom, and watch the Coates family convert their shareholding back to a £150m loan that they want paying back with interest....... I’m not saying pile on the pitch, it was more to raise the point how we seem to have become a more passive fan base in recent times. There’s no chance 20 years ago we’d have put up with such a sustained period of shit. 20 years ago we put up with 20 years of shit before the famous incident at home to Birmingham. Lets at least get a bit of perspective.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 17, 2019 10:34:05 GMT
The board are killing themselves with outdated practises, rather than lack of funding. They've backed us to the hilt in the second tier but shot their wad all at once last season in a ridiculously high risk strategy that is akin to the gamblers that helped make their fortune in the first place.
Their faith in people not deserving of their trust at management, director and recruitment level has tarnished their reputation and is risking destroying what looked like a solid legacy. It's really quite sad that it's coming to this, but I don't understand why they can't see they never even came close to the "major overhaul" they promised.
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Post by werrington on Sept 17, 2019 10:35:00 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. What has to be now? Whats your plan, wave placards outside the main stand, boycott the games, red card protest, offer £150m and run the club yourself? It’s unbelievable isn’t it mate
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 17, 2019 10:36:04 GMT
It’s not about wanting them out.
It’s about wanting them to steer this football club back in the right direction.
Appointing a director of football / technical director with a good footballing pedigree, similar route to that of Norwich, Villa and many others.
Thus allowing Scholes if he really has to stay, to concentrate on what he’s good at, bean counting.
Then to get in a manager that sings from the same hymn sheet as the dof/td. Allowing the club to regroup and push forward as one whole effective unit.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 17, 2019 10:37:17 GMT
I’m not saying pile on the pitch, it was more to raise the point how we seem to have become a more passive fan base in recent times. There’s no chance 20 years ago we’d have put up with such a sustained period of shit. 20 years ago we put up with 20 years of shit before the famous incident at home to Birmingham. Lets at least get a bit of perspective..... The Playoffs two seasons before were really terrible weren’t they. Let’s just write off the upward trajectory of the Macari years, just to fit your agenda ay.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 17, 2019 10:39:02 GMT
The board are killing themselves with outdated practises, rather than lack of funding. They've backed us to the hilt in the second tier but shot their wad all at once last season in a ridiculously high risk strategy that is akin to the gamblers that helped make their fortune in the first place. Their faith in people not deserving of their trust at management, director and recruitment level has tarnished their reputation and is risking destroying what looked like a solid legacy. It's really quite sad that it's coming to this, but I don't understand why they can't see they never even came close to the "major overhaul" they promised. But don’t dare to point some criticism in their direction else the happy clappers on the oatcake will take this as us wanting them out.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2019 10:42:13 GMT
Yeah let's all pile on the pitch and storm the boardroom, and watch the Coates family convert their shareholding back to a £150m loan that they want paying back with interest....... I’m not saying pile on the pitch, it was more to raise the point how we seem to have become a more passive fan base in recent times. There’s no chance 20 years ago we’d have put up with such a sustained period of shit. What are you suggesting then?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2019 10:44:48 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. But what can we do about it , there’s absolutely no one out their with there love for the club and their money , yes they make mistakes but better the devil you know , and I’m sure they’re learn from them They've learned nothing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:45:16 GMT
It’s not about wanting them out. It’s about wanting them to steer this football club back in the right direction. Appointing a director of football / technical director with a good footballing pedigree, similar route to that of Norwich, Villa and many others.Thus allowing Scholes if he really has to stay, to concentrate on what he’s good at, bean counting. Then to get in a manager that sings from the same hymn sheet as the dof/td. Allowing the club to regroup and push forward as one whole effective unit. Absolutely, said it many times the "process" has gone stale, Scholes should move on and a Director of Football brought in to help us implement our vision of where we want to go as a club. The owners have made mistakes, but they've also invested heavily whilst trying to keep season tickets as affordable as possible for the fans. They've built us a new state of the art academy/training facility that appears to be finally reaping the rewards (not their fault if the manager doesn't pick the current crop of youngsters). They've allowed managers to manage, they tried to rectify the disappointment of relegation by investing heavily (they backed Rowett, he pissed it up the wall) But football isn't like any other business, if every owner invested £1 billion on the playing side 3 teams would still get relegated. There's always a risk involved whoever you appoint and however much you spend......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:46:59 GMT
20 years ago we put up with 20 years of shit before the famous incident at home to Birmingham. Lets at least get a bit of perspective..... The Playoffs two seasons before were really terrible weren’t they. Let’s just write off the upward trajectory of the Macari years, just to fit your agenda ay. And those 10 Premier League years we've just had until 2 seasons a go were a right chore as well weren't they? It's not about an agenda, it's about stepping back and having a bit of perspective.........
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2019 10:47:43 GMT
Not wanting the 19th richest family (and climbing by >£1bn per year) in Britain out of the club whilst simultaneously wanting to protest against them is some kind of moronic paradox that I reckon you could only ever see on The Oatcake. It's like an unemployed ugly fat bloke threatening his 10/10 supermodel billionaire wife with a hammer, daily, because he doesn't like her diet. Stoke are punching above their weight massively with the Coates family. Don't fuck it up, you thick bastards. How is bottom of the second tier punching above our weight? 😂 We're not bloody Rotherham fella
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:47:53 GMT
I’m not saying pile on the pitch, it was more to raise the point how we seem to have become a more passive fan base in recent times. There’s no chance 20 years ago we’d have put up with such a sustained period of shit. What are you suggesting then? I think it's called "projecting".......
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 17, 2019 10:48:47 GMT
I’m not saying pile on the pitch, it was more to raise the point how we seem to have become a more passive fan base in recent times. There’s no chance 20 years ago we’d have put up with such a sustained period of shit. What are you suggesting then? I think having open discussion like this is a good place to start. Without running the debate into the corners of "they provided 10 years of great times and therefore everything is permitted" or "get them out now, they're good for nothing", I think there are a lot of points for and against. For example, you can't question their commitment in providing funds and backing managers in terms of money. They've poured more money than would be considered sensible into this club in the past few years but then they aren't addressing the core issues of why that is. For such a prudent and business orientated family, it's frankly weird. The fanbase should always hold its owners to account fairly, they received universal praise and rightly so for their responsible stewardship of this club between 2006-2016 because tbh it's what they deserved. But such a steep and stark decline from that point warrants some discussion as to what is going on upstairs without instantly being discounted for previous years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:49:08 GMT
The board are killing themselves with outdated practises, rather than lack of funding. They've backed us to the hilt in the second tier but shot their wad all at once last season in a ridiculously high risk strategy that is akin to the gamblers that helped make their fortune in the first place. Their faith in people not deserving of their trust at management, director and recruitment level has tarnished their reputation and is risking destroying what looked like a solid legacy. It's really quite sad that it's coming to this, but I don't understand why they can't see they never even came close to the "major overhaul" they promised. But don’t dare to point some criticism in their direction else the happy clappers on the oatcake will take this as us wanting them out. Not wanting to run on the pitch and make a total bellend of yourself doesn't equate to being a "happy clapper"
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2019 10:52:41 GMT
What are you suggesting then? I think it's called "projecting"....... No chance he'd of put up with it 20 years ago ... born in 1987 😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2019 10:56:12 GMT
What has to be now? Whats your plan, wave placards outside the main stand, boycott the games, red card protest, offer £150m and run the club yourself? It’s unbelievable isn’t it mate What is? Why do you think we're in the position we are? It's the board. Why are they untouchable?
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