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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2019 8:48:17 GMT
Unless I've missed previous interviews where he's shown such humility you have to wonder why now. The easy assumption and using the mantra 'always follow the money' is he's getting a bit desperate for an appointment. He comes across very well in the bit that I've watched and the apology to the fans is much appreciated but it's 9 months overdue, he does that the day after his incredulous outburst and he's viewed very differently by a large number of fans imo. If he'd shown the character that he's showing now whilst he was in the job he might still be in it, the football played was by and large shit but that could've been to steady the ship and it 'might' have improved. When you are stuck in that environment day after day, under constant pressure, its very human to snap a bit and have a pop. It's very hard to maintain a higher level of dignity and maturity. He's certainly not the first, certainly won't be the last person to feel the pressure like that. Interesting point about all the internal talk about "when we're promoted...". I get ambition and the goal, but shows that definitely moved over the line to complacency. Good post - you reminded me about Kevin Keegan!
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Sept 18, 2019 11:28:04 GMT
Should have stuck with Lambert IMO. We should have stuck with the guy who achieved the second-worst record of any Stoke manager ever, who failed miserably to meet the one objective he had, which was to avoid relegation with a team that had only just squeezed into the bottom three by a hair when he arrived - somehow making our average points haul worse along the way. 16 months later and it's not even that unreasonable an idea. How telling is that. Proven record in the Championship, he'd had the 8 or so months needed to see what the team needed, I'd have given him the chance. Almost every player who has worked under him in the past has great things to say about him, even players who've now retired who have no reason to lie. Couldn't have gone much worse than it has really could it?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 18, 2019 12:38:20 GMT
Unless I've missed previous interviews where he's shown such humility you have to wonder why now. The easy assumption and using the mantra 'always follow the money' is he's getting a bit desperate for an appointment. He comes across very well in the bit that I've watched and the apology to the fans is much appreciated but it's 9 months overdue, he does that the day after his incredulous outburst and he's viewed very differently by a large number of fans imo. If he'd shown the character that he's showing now whilst he was in the job he might still be in it, the football played was by and large shit but that could've been to steady the ship and it 'might' have improved. When you are stuck in that environment day after day, under constant pressure, its very human to snap a bit and have a pop. It's very hard to maintain a higher level of dignity and maturity. He's certainly not the first, certainly won't be the last person to feel the pressure like that. Interesting point about all the internal talk about "when we're promoted...". I get ambition and the goal, but shows that definitely moved over the line to complacency. I agree, it is indeed difficult to maintain dignity when under pressure. However, he was being paid a very good wage and I'm certain that if he'd asked for psychological/mental help at the time he'd have got it, he could have paid for it himself with the money he was on. At a home game before the outburst he tried to 'stare down' the Boothen End when they sang 'Ole, Ole' somebody should have had a very strong word with him at that point. If he loses the arrogance in his next job (and his current demeanour suggests he might) he could do well, one thing you don't do is take on the fans, I think he's took that on board now. A contrite statement the day after his outburst could have worked wonders but he decided to stew in his own juices instead, there was only ever going to be one outcome once he chose that path.
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