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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2019 11:57:22 GMT
Trying to envisage the meltdown on here if Stoke ever appointed someone like Sabri Lamouchi. They love him already here in Nottingham, none of the Forest fans I know were too gutted that "club legend" Martin O'Neill had to give way to him either. I'm normally well up for a foreign gamble. But I do actually think we may well need a boring, stodgy, defence-first, knows-the-league type this time - and I'm just hoping it won't be TP. But that is almost certainly what we'll end up with regardless, so we may as well be realistic. I can't even think of any non-dinosaur-types who'd be remotely in the shake-up this time with us bottom of the league and in the shit. Can anyone come up with a lower-league or foreign non-dinosaur with a decent CV who'd be prepared to come and who they'd be comfortable throwing into this shitshow with us bottom of the league? Nigel Pearson???? 🙀
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2019 11:59:55 GMT
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 16, 2019 12:06:10 GMT
Trying to envisage the meltdown on here if Stoke ever appointed someone like Sabri Lamouchi. They love him already here in Nottingham, none of the Forest fans I know were too gutted that "club legend" Martin O'Neill had to give way to him either. I'm normally well up for a foreign gamble. But I do actually think we may well need a boring, stodgy, defence-first, knows-the-league type this time - and I'm just hoping it won't be TP. But that is almost certainly what we'll end up with regardless, so we may as well be realistic. I can't even think of any non-dinosaur-types who'd be remotely in the shake-up this time with us bottom of the league and in the shit. Can anyone come up with a lower-league or foreign non-dinosaur with a decent CV who'd be prepared to come and who they'd be comfortable throwing into this shitshow with us bottom of the league? By dinosaur do we mean chronological age,footballing philosophy or both? Karanka? Very defensively minded isn't he? The good CV bit is obviously open to question!
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2019 12:13:37 GMT
I'm normally well up for a foreign gamble. But I do actually think we may well need a boring, stodgy, defence-first, knows-the-league type this time - and I'm just hoping it won't be TP. But that is almost certainly what we'll end up with regardless, so we may as well be realistic. I can't even think of any non-dinosaur-types who'd be remotely in the shake-up this time with us bottom of the league and in the shit. Can anyone come up with a lower-league or foreign non-dinosaur with a decent CV who'd be prepared to come and who they'd be comfortable throwing into this shitshow with us bottom of the league? By dinosaur do we mean chronological age,footballing philosophy or both? Karanka? Very defensively minded isn't he? The good CV bit is obviously open to question! Yeah - think he's a Spanish version, isn't he? El dinosaurio!
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 16, 2019 12:16:00 GMT
Becky needs to lay off the gin !!!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 16, 2019 12:17:10 GMT
Huddersfield away knowing Coates...
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 16, 2019 12:19:37 GMT
My honest assessment last Saturday
Stadium WAS less than half full
14-15,000 bums on seats actually turning up now
down to the real hardcore -- god bless them
and officially reported as an over reported 22,000 + which of course is thoroughly ridiculous and embarasssing
and yes - I do know why that is
still, a load of absolute bunkum tho
and reflects the absolute mess and the death spiral we are in
i.e. another pretty obvious denial of the reality we are now in
By the way - No one outside Stoke City gives a damn about them anymore - its as if Stoke City have ceased to exist
( I have found on my travels)
other than, As a club to poke fun at, a figure of ridicule and humiliation by those who have actually noticed the unfolding disaster we are all watching with grim humour.
anything to comment TS ?
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 16, 2019 12:19:44 GMT
Huddersfield away knowing Coates... Just as danny cowley gets the terriers fired up and structured ( unlike yesterdays performance) we meet them and have a pasting
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 16, 2019 12:28:27 GMT
Trying to envisage the meltdown on here if Stoke ever appointed someone like Sabri Lamouchi. They love him already here in Nottingham, none of the Forest fans I know were too gutted that "club legend" Martin O'Neill had to give way to him either. I'm normally well up for a foreign gamble. But I do actually think we may well need a boring, stodgy, defence-first, knows-the-league type this time - and I'm just hoping it won't be TP. But that is almost certainly what we'll end up with regardless, so we may as well be realistic. I can't even think of any non-dinosaur-types who'd be remotely in the shake-up this time with us bottom of the league and in the shit. Can anyone come up with a lower-league or foreign non-dinosaur with a decent CV who'd be prepared to come and who they'd be comfortable throwing into this shitshow with us bottom of the league? Very fair points, the Lamouchi thing was more an example of other clubs appointing someone I doubt our board have even heard of, much less consider. You're probably right in the sense the new manager will be defence first, but as you say I can't see anything other than an approach for TP on the cards. The clearest option from the lower leagues has already gone to our sister shit-show at Huddersfield in the Cowleys but they are unproven at this level and we'll have to see what they can do their. Possible Options I can think of: (not who I would appoint necessarily but with an ok CV and not just top of League 1) Paul Warne- Came very close to keeping a pretty shit Rotherham side up. Really got the best out of his two best players in Vaulks and Ajayi. Tactically flexible. Gareth Ainsworth- Built up a lot of experience at Wycombe who continue to hold their own in a league with some much bigger clubs in. I don't see Ainsworth going down too well with Stoke fans though. Derek McInnes- Had a pretty rough time at Bristol but has turned Aberdeen into a decent force and has really rebuilt his reputation. Other than money I really can't see a reason why he'd leave given he's got Aberdeen into the Europa League consistently. I can't see us even entertaining a foreign appointment so there's no point even writing a list. There are a couple of options we could go after in the Championship, but I doubt any would come atm.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 16, 2019 12:30:27 GMT
By dinosaur do we mean chronological age,footballing philosophy or both? Karanka? Very defensively minded isn't he? The good CV bit is obviously open to question! Yeah - think he's a Spanish version, isn't he? El dinosaurio! TBF I have no issues with defensive football, you can play defensively and still move the ball progressively with intent. I don't Karanka has a reputation as a hoofer and his Forest sides certainly didn't play that way. We could do far worse. There are question with his temperament though, he's done funny things at both Boro and Forest.
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Post by crouchie on Sept 16, 2019 12:40:37 GMT
that might as well have been stoke city media answering the questions jesus christ!!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 16, 2019 12:45:23 GMT
Yeah they won’t do anything before or after the Brentford game.
Let’s face it, that’s a defeat either way.
The next two league games are the critical ones.
Win 1 of the 2, they might give him more time.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 12:52:54 GMT
that might as well have been stoke city media answering the questions jesus christ!! Isn’t that what it is effectively. He just tries to sound sympathetic to the fans. There is no information in those responses, he would lose the access he does have if he posted anything revealing ( even if he does know anything worth knowing, which is questionable) It’s just like a kind of open therapy session with no outcomes. Even if he has opinions, he is limited in what he is able to reveal of these. So pretty pointless exercise really. Just adds to conjecture really.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Sept 16, 2019 13:19:03 GMT
A few of the Pulis bashers need to be worried.
If we go on a few more weeks in this form and NJ goes- there is only one man in the world who Peter Coates will have 100% faith and trust in to get us out of this mess, and that is Tony Pulis.
I've said a few times he nearly came back before he went to Boro, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see him here again.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 13:28:33 GMT
A few of the Pulis bashers need to be worried. If we go on a few more weeks in this form and NJ goes- there is only one man in the world who Peter Coates will have 100% faith and trust in to get us out of this mess, and that is Tony Pulis. I've said a few times he nearly came back before he went to Boro, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see him here again. I heard that TP was on TV at the weekend singing the praises of Peter Coates. Was asked what he thought of SCFC current plight, responded with a party political broadcast on behalf of the Coates family. Anyone else see that interview? Didn't see it myself, this is what was reported to me.
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2019 13:29:18 GMT
Every question revolves around Pulis or other dinosaur managers What the fuck is wrong with stoke fans. If all we want is another dinosaur then we deserve everything that is coming our way just lately. The city, the club and the fans are stuck in a fucking time warp. I genuinely hope they bring him back and he relegates us*. Going down would be absolutely catastrophic but I'd take the collateral damage just so I would have to hear his fucking name ever again. (*he's not every coming back by the way, despite what Spinks says here).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 13:30:21 GMT
A few of the Pulis bashers need to be worried. If we go on a few more weeks in this form and NJ goes- there is only one man in the world who Peter Coates will have 100% faith and trust in to get us out of this mess, and that is Tony Pulis. I've said a few times he nearly came back before he went to Boro, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see him here again. I heard that TP was on TV at the weekend singing the praises of Peter Coates. Was asked what he thought of SCFC current plight, responded with a party political broadcast on behalf of the Coates family. Anyone else see that interview? Didn't see it myself, this is what was reported to me. He was on Goals on Sunday. The reports are true. Spoke very fondly of the Coates family saying they are still very close.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 13:30:57 GMT
Every question revolves around Pulis or other dinosaur managers What the fuck is wrong with stoke fans. If all we want is another dinosaur then we deserve everything that is coming our way just lately. The city, the club and the fans are stuck in a fucking time warp. I genuinely hope they bring him back and he relegates us*. Going down would be absolutely catastrophic but I'd take the collateral damage just so I would have to hear his fucking name ever again. (*he's not every coming back by the way, despite what Spinks says here). I'm not convinced you would never hear his name again tbh!!!..that's a huge dose of wishful thinking
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2019 13:32:28 GMT
It's obvious Pulis is the one waiting on standby. I'll guess he'll be appointed within the fortnight.
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2019 13:35:42 GMT
I genuinely hope they bring him back and he relegates us*. Going down would be absolutely catastrophic but I'd take the collateral damage just so I would have to hear his fucking name ever again. (*he's not every coming back by the way, despite what Spinks says here). I'm not convinced you would never hear his name again tbh!!!..that's a huge dose of wishful thinking That's very true, mainly because we appear to have the thickest fans in world football. I fucking despair sometimes, I really do.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 16, 2019 13:37:09 GMT
My honest assessment last Saturday Stadium WAS less than half full 14-15,000 bums on seats actually turning up now down to the real hardcore -- god bless them and officially reported as an over reported 22,000 + which of course is thoroughly ridiculous and embarasssing and yes - I do know why that is still, a load of absolute bunkum tho and reflects the absolute mess and the death spiral we are in i.e. another pretty obvious denial of the reality we are now in By the way - No one outside Stoke City gives a damn about them anymore - its as if Stoke City have ceased to exist ( I have found on my travels) other than, As a club to poke fun at, a figure of ridicule and humiliation by those who have actually noticed the unfolding disaster we are all watching with grim humour. anything to comment TS ? In relation to the crowd Saturday the atmosphere was very good, very loud and quiet only a few times second half- Bristol were anonymous until 60 minutes plus Attendance looked a fifth below capacity from block 30 which is very good considering I'd guess that about a tenth left in the last few minutes and the players and manager were cheered by the remainder at the end I hadn't seen them for ages and was impressed first 15 until Allen's kamikaze antics After that, around 30th minute, team seemed to realise what a slog it would be Jones's persistence with McLean at fullback remains mind boggling but going forward he did well and has tremendous heart Just my opinion mind
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Post by Goonie on Sept 16, 2019 13:38:46 GMT
A few of the Pulis bashers need to be worried. If we go on a few more weeks in this form and NJ goes- there is only one man in the world who Peter Coates will have 100% faith and trust in to get us out of this mess, and that is Tony Pulis. I've said a few times he nearly came back before he went to Boro, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see him here again. I heard that TP was on TV at the weekend singing the praises of Peter Coates. Was asked what he thought of SCFC current plight, responded with a party political broadcast on behalf of the Coates family. Anyone else see that interview? Didn't see it myself, this is what was reported to me. Didn't see it but I wouldn't mind a bit of steel and nastiness in the team (bar Allen's kamikaze acrobatics!) 😎😁
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 13:41:24 GMT
I heard that TP was on TV at the weekend singing the praises of Peter Coates. Was asked what he thought of SCFC current plight, responded with a party political broadcast on behalf of the Coates family. Anyone else see that interview? Didn't see it myself, this is what was reported to me. Didn't see it but I wouldn't mind a bit of steel and nastiness in the team (bar Allen's kamikaze acrobatics!) 😎😁 I cant believe for 1 minute Allen would get in a TP team. He's not exactly in the Deano category.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2019 15:06:35 GMT
By dinosaur do we mean chronological age,footballing philosophy or both? Karanka? Very defensively minded isn't he? The good CV bit is obviously open to question! Yeah - think he's a Spanish version, isn't he? El dinosaurio! Goaarn Juan
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2019 16:20:53 GMT
I'm not convinced you would never hear his name again tbh!!!..that's a huge dose of wishful thinking That's very true, mainly because we appear to have the thickest fans in world football. I fucking despair sometimes, I really do. Maybe it's because he was one of most successful managers alongside Waddo. who is till talked about on here, why does that make people thick ?, you can and I have criticised his style of play but you can not erase him from our history because you have a personal dislike of him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2019 16:35:29 GMT
It's obvious Pulis is the one waiting on standby. I'll guess he'll be appointed within the fortnight. I'd have a wager with you that our next manager won't be Pulis but you haven't paid up on the first bet yet.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2019 16:58:24 GMT
My honest assessment last Saturday Stadium WAS less than half full 14-15,000 bums on seats actually turning up now down to the real hardcore -- god bless them and officially reported as an over reported 22,000 + which of course is thoroughly ridiculous and embarasssing and yes - I do know why that is still, a load of absolute bunkum tho and reflects the absolute mess and the death spiral we are in i.e. another pretty obvious denial of the reality we are now in By the way - No one outside Stoke City gives a damn about them anymore - its as if Stoke City have ceased to exist ( I have found on my travels) other than, As a club to poke fun at, a figure of ridicule and humiliation by those who have actually noticed the unfolding disaster we are all watching with grim humour. anything to comment TS ? Not this again Simply wasn't less than half full.
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2019 17:02:13 GMT
That's very true, mainly because we appear to have the thickest fans in world football. I fucking despair sometimes, I really do. Maybe it's because he was one of most successful managers alongside Waddo. who is till talked about on here, why does that make people thick ?, you can and I have criticised his style of play but you can not erase him from our history because you have a personal dislike of him. It makes people thick because it demonstrates the mawkish, sentimental backwards outlook that's typifies the mentality of both the club and the city as a whole. The skewed logic employed by the rabid Pulis Death Cult is stupid beyond belief i.e. This bloke made us good once, ergo he's the only bloke that can do it again. This is often supported by a flagrant disregard of facts (pretty much got WBA relegated, bottled Boro promotion push after spending 50m etc) and a rewriting of history (we didn't look like being relegated under TP / only finished 9th under Hughes because of what TP built before him etc). And that's before you even bring the fact that football has moved on since then and his antiquated methods/style are no longer as effective into the argument. This continual pining for the past and fear of change/anything that could be perceived as dynamic and forward-thinking is a fucking disease round these parts and has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Stoke on Trent is culturally and economically decades behind other cities. Anyone with any vision or positive ideas instantly gets shot down and criticised and progress is so slow due to attitudes and outlooks of those in power being stuck in the past (emboldened by a backwards looking local population who love to moan about anything and everything). You could correctly argue that the club has looked forward with Rowett and Jones and it hasn't worked, but that doesn't instantly mean we have to forever hark back to a period of relative success (a period that was very much of its time and circumstance and unlikely to be repeated in today's climate at a club that is virtually unrecognisable from the one that TP enjoyed most of his success with). If we're going to go back to the 'steady hand' type of manager then it's got to be Hughton and we should be pulling out all the stops to get him in.
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Post by rawli on Sept 16, 2019 17:05:49 GMT
My honest assessment last Saturday Stadium WAS less than half full 14-15,000 bums on seats actually turning up now down to the real hardcore -- god bless them and officially reported as an over reported 22,000 + which of course is thoroughly ridiculous and embarasssing and yes - I do know why that is still, a load of absolute bunkum tho and reflects the absolute mess and the death spiral we are in i.e. another pretty obvious denial of the reality we are now in By the way - No one outside Stoke City gives a damn about them anymore - its as if Stoke City have ceased to exist ( I have found on my travels) other than, As a club to poke fun at, a figure of ridicule and humiliation by those who have actually noticed the unfolding disaster we are all watching with grim humour. anything to comment TS ? Not this again Simply wasn't less than half full. Was it half empty?
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Post by rawli on Sept 16, 2019 17:09:14 GMT
Maybe it's because he was one of most successful managers alongside Waddo. who is till talked about on here, why does that make people thick ?, you can and I have criticised his style of play but you can not erase him from our history because you have a personal dislike of him. It makes people thick because it demonstrates the mawkish, sentimental backwards outlook that's typifies the mentality of both the club and the city as a whole. The skewed logic employed by the rabid Pulis Death Cult is stupid beyond belief i.e. This bloke made us good once, ergo he's the only bloke that can do it again. This is often supported by a flagrant disregard of facts (pretty much got WBA relegated, bottled Boro promotion push after spending 50m etc) and a rewriting of history (we didn't look like being relegated under TP / only finished 9th under Hughes because of what TP built before him etc). And that's before you even bring the fact that football has moved on since then and his antiquated methods/style are no longer as effective into the argument. This continual pining for the past and fear of change/anything that could be perceived as dynamic and forward-thinking is a fucking disease round these parts and has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Stoke on Trent is culturally and economically decades behind other cities. Anyone with any vision or positive ideas instantly gets shot down and criticised and progress is so slow due to attitudes and outlooks of those in power being stuck in the past (emboldened by a backwards looking local population who love to moan about anything and everything). You could correctly argue that the club has looked forward with Rowett and Jones and it hasn't worked, but that doesn't instantly mean we have to forever hark back to a period of relative success (a period that was very much of it's time and circumstance and unlikely to be repeated in today's climate at a club that is virtually unrecognisable from the one that TP enjoyed most of his success with). If we're going to go back to the 'steady hand' type of manager then it's got to be Hughton and we should be pulling out all the stops to get him in. I agree. Unfortunately I don't think the billionaire who makes the decisions does. If it was left to him do you think Bet365 would even exist?
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