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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:34:31 GMT
Edwards was good, Mclean got done twice for both goals. This game was null to judge him on really but if we insist on judging him on it first 20 is what I want to see. Main negative was mclean at wingback, not addressing that is criminal and it keeps coming back to bite us. Edwards played pretty well particularly going forward but was at fault for both goals CCV got caught under the ball for their first imo.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:35:39 GMT
Fact is things happen during football games... it’s how you react... soon as Allen got dismissed we should have replaced Ince for Etebo and kept it tight .... Why do it after we fall behind poor management from all involved not just jones To try and give them something to think about, he was needed as an out ball.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 17:40:03 GMT
Hugely disagree. It was classic (and that's the important bit) Allen ... second touch is a tackle, invariably a shit one. We will be a better side without Joe Allen in it. I don't disagree but to put them forward as if they've never done it and it couldn't happen if they were the midfield three is to ignore whats happened before. I'm suggesting that it's more likely to happen with Joe Allen in the midfield than with the other three. And apart from that, Jones shouldn't be dropping Etebo to accommodate Joe Allen, period.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 14, 2019 17:44:47 GMT
Well he won't be doing that for three games will he. Of course Jones picked him, but losing the game today wasn't his fault. Bristol are in the top six I believe, and we should have won today. Too many are ready to swing the axe when there is still plenty of time. I agree that only a certain amount of time can pass with these results though. Bristol were missing 4 normal starters today, Allen and McClean let themselves and us down today however one man keeps selecting them, another 5 changes again today do you think that helps ? do you think Nathan has a clue how to right this mess he has created ? 1 point from 21 3 wins nearly 30 league games is that acceptable ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:45:54 GMT
I don't disagree but to put them forward as if they've never done it and it couldn't happen if they were the midfield three is to ignore whats happened before. I'm suggesting that it's more likely to happen with Joe Allen in the midfield than with the other three. And apart from that, Jones shouldn't be dropping Etebo to accommodate Joe Allen, period. I don't think either of those two have played well this season tbh woods would have been my choice.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 17:47:44 GMT
I'm suggesting that it's more likely to happen with Joe Allen in the midfield than with the other three. And apart from that, Jones shouldn't be dropping Etebo to accommodate Joe Allen, period. I don't think either of those two have played well this season tbh woods would have been my choice. It appears that we agree that Jones shouldn't have picked Allen then ...
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Post by march4 on Sept 14, 2019 17:53:57 GMT
I remember Rory getting sent off with the score 0-0 against the richest club in the world.
Our defence was rock solid and we won from an Ethers cross and BT header.
A sending off is not a reason to collapse in the second half with abject defending devoid of any organisation.
Jones has to go.
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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 17:55:58 GMT
you can find excuses for jones after every game, fact is we've 1 point from 21 and are effectively 5 points adrift (if you take goal difference into account) ... action needed to be taken after the Brum game, its going to be too late soon, all it will take is a few more loses, maybe a couple of injuries and we could be bogged down at the bottom all season long.
wolves, Leicester, coventry, bolton, both sheffield clubs, leeds... it happens.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 14, 2019 17:56:22 GMT
I remember Rory getting sent off with the score 0-0 against the richest club in the world. Our defence was rock solid and we won from an Ethers cross and BT header. A sending off is not a reason to collapse in the second half with abject defending devoid of any organisation. Jones has to go. Spot on March. It was way too easy for them to get in behind and get both of those two crosses in that resulted in both their goals.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Sept 14, 2019 17:56:29 GMT
Well he won't be doing that for three games will he. Of course Jones picked him, but losing the game today wasn't his fault. Bristol are in the top six I believe, and we should have won today. Too many are ready to swing the axe when there is still plenty of time. I agree that only a certain amount of time can pass with these results though. Bristol were missing 4 normal starters today, Allen and McClean let themselves and us down today however one man keeps selecting them, another 5 changes again today do you think that helps ? do you think Nathan has a clue how to right this mess he has created ? 1 point from 21 3 wins nearly 30 league games is that acceptable ? No it isn't, but is the answer another manager right now? None of us on here are football managers, but plenty seem to think that they're up for the job.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Sept 14, 2019 18:04:23 GMT
Who’s fault is it? How long before we sack him? How close to relegation do we have to be until we sack him? What could Coates do other than sack jones to turn this around? What has Jones done to prove he will turn this around? Jones out. Today was the refs/Allen's fault depending on who you see is to blame for the red card. It's also Edwards' fault for not knowing how to defend crosses. Whether Jones deserves to still be here or not, the match today can't be the decisive factor. If they get rid of him after today then they were obviously close to doing it before the international break, at which point, why waste the time? We could have had someone else in two weeks ago.
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Post by hstoke on Sept 14, 2019 18:29:33 GMT
I remember Rory getting sent off with the score 0-0 against the richest club in the world. Our defence was rock solid and we won from an Ethers cross and BT header. A sending off is not a reason to collapse in the second half with abject defending devoid of any organisation. Jones has to go. I was there when we scored I think I could have cried with relief what grit n determination
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 14, 2019 19:23:47 GMT
Bristol were missing 4 normal starters today, Allen and McClean let themselves and us down today however one man keeps selecting them, another 5 changes again today do you think that helps ? do you think Nathan has a clue how to right this mess he has created ? 1 point from 21 3 wins nearly 30 league games is that acceptable ? No it isn't, but is the answer another manager right now? None of us on here are football managers, but plenty seem to think that they're up for the job. It seems you can count Mr Luton Town into that equation !
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Post by bristolpotter on Sept 14, 2019 19:31:15 GMT
Sack him It’s not working we are going around in circles week in week out ‘ how many times do we keep saying we played better today, just no luck bla bla bla I’d rather play shite and win 1-0 with a dodgy offside goal winning breeds confidence losing does not , he’s not cut out for this league you know it i know it!!
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Post by oatcakesteve on Sept 14, 2019 20:07:00 GMT
No it isn't, but is the answer another manager right now? None of us on here are football managers, but plenty seem to think that they're up for the job. It seems you can count Mr Luton Town into that equation ! Evidently
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 14, 2019 20:08:42 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 14, 2019 20:21:34 GMT
It might help if fucking bell ends don't get red carded. Was that Jones' fault
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2019 10:10:34 GMT
Bristol were missing 4 normal starters today, Allen and McClean let themselves and us down today however one man keeps selecting them, another 5 changes again today do you think that helps ? do you think Nathan has a clue how to right this mess he has created ? 1 point from 21 3 wins nearly 30 league games is that acceptable ? No it isn't, but is the answer another manager right now? None of us on here are football managers, but plenty seem to think that they're up for the job. Erm but that's kind of the point of internet football forums ... so supporters can discuss (amongst other things) what the manager is doing right and what he's doing wrong. If you're going to adopt that sort of attitude, then you might as well shut down all the football phone-ins up and down the country each weekend and dismiss all commentary in the newspapers and in football blogs, if the authors hadn't at one time been football managers.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Sept 15, 2019 10:35:16 GMT
No it isn't, but is the answer another manager right now? None of us on here are football managers, but plenty seem to think that they're up for the job. Erm but that's kind of the point of internet football forums ... so supporters can discuss (amongst other things) what the manager is doing right and what he's doing wrong. If you're going to adopt that sort of attitude, then you might as well shut down all the football phone-ins up and down the country each weekend and dismiss all commentary in the newspapers and in football blogs, if the authors hadn't at one time been football managers. Fair point mate.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 15, 2019 11:20:47 GMT
Exactly. Jones picked him, Jones made him captain. Etebo was benched so that could happen. If Clucas, Etebo and Ndiaye had been our midfield three today, no way would we have lost that game. Allen's sending off, might just be thing that saves our season. He can't get anywhere near the team for the next three matches, it's just a pity one of them is the Crawley game and not a league fixture. Either of those three could have done what Allen did today. Maybe so, but they didn't and Allen did.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 15, 2019 11:29:07 GMT
I have given him the benefit of the doubt until this season but I'm really struggling with him now . Another set of poor signings , odd substitutions and the constant changing of the team just all adds up to say he is way out of his depth . The biggest problem is people constantly saying our squad is better than our position. Is it really ? I'm not sure you could get a good championship eleven out of that squad . We look to have pissed away the second year of parachute money as badly as the first . We now have to focus on staying up and stopping the rot and I'm struggling to see how Jones can do this at the moment .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 11:54:54 GMT
I must be getting soft in my ageing years but I genuinely think the bloke will turn this around. I honestly don’t know why, it could be because I really want him to achieve but I genuinely think he will.
P.S yes I know I’m bloody stupid
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Post by callas12 on Sept 15, 2019 12:29:10 GMT
It might help if fucking bell ends don't get red carded. Was that Jones' fault? Theres been a 'reason' for every game we've lost this season! Ooh we've missed chances (every game!).. Someone's been sent off (Allen Y'day!).. We haven't defended well (Every Game).. Jack Butland had wind he wasnt going to be in the England squad (Preston).. We were playing well at the start and they just hit us on the counter (every game).. The opposition keep changing their tactics to counter ours and its really frustrating me (Derby)... Whatever next I wonder! Individually on the odd match I accept there are reasons why you can lose a match you dont deserve to, but come on every league game we're failing to win coz of reasons every manager could use as a reason after a defeat. If any of the above occur during a match, they're all still winnable matches but we're simply not. Beating Derby with 10 men last season v Derby prime example. Bad luck does exist, but I'm beyond thinking it's purely down to misfortune with us now. & all the above relates to this season so far. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last season but looking back, quite simply no change no change I'm afraid.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2019 12:37:05 GMT
It might help if fucking bell ends don't get red carded. Was that Jones' fault? Theres been a 'reason' for every game we've lost this season! Ooh we've missed chances (every game!).. Someone's been sent off (Allen Y'day!).. We haven't defended well (Every Game).. Jack Butland had wind he wasnt going to be in the England squad (Preston).. We were playing well at the start and they just hit us on the counter (every game).. The opposition keep changing their tactics to counter ours and its really frustrating me (Derby)... Whatever next I wonder! Individually on the odd match I accept there are reasons why you can lose a match you dont deserve to, but come on every league game we're failing to win coz of reasons every manager could use as a reason after a defeat. If any of the above occur during a match, they're all still winnable matches but we're simply not. Beating Derby with 10 men last season v Derby prime example. Bad luck does exist, but I'm beyond thinking it's purely down to misfortune with us now. & all the above relates to this season so far. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last season but looking back, quite simply no change no change I'm afraid. "You make you're own luck" however this involves knowing what the fuck you are doing and how you are going to go about achieving it, unfortunately Nathan hasn't got a clue on either pre requisites therefore we will continue to hear even more excuses from the happy clappers for our failure.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 15, 2019 13:24:33 GMT
Both goals supplied from their right wing, the position where every one of our fans know that we needed a LB which should have been filled in the transfer window. The same position he puts a novice LB in every week. Who's fault is it? JONES.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 15, 2019 13:34:05 GMT
Jones is cursed. It isn’t working for him. Someone needs to put him out of our misery Corrected it for you
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Post by minnierover on Sept 15, 2019 14:00:03 GMT
I must be getting soft in my ageing years but I genuinely think the bloke will turn this around. I honestly don’t know why, it could be because I really want him to achieve but I genuinely think he will. P.S yes I know I’m bloody stupid If Jones stays then yes one day the endless defeats will stop. Mainly because the law of averages states they will, maybe it’ll be down to Jones, or maybe it’ll be the players having a chat together and playing the way they want to play because they’ve lost faith in Jones and their pride kicks in out of embarrassment of losing every week. But the million dollar question is how long do we give him. 5 points adrift in September is not necessarily panic stations but 12 adrift at the turn of the year means we’ve left it too late. He’s being monitored game by game, or at least you’d like to think he is,
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 15, 2019 20:21:36 GMT
Both goals supplied from their right wing, the position where every one of our fans know that we needed a LB which should have been filled in the transfer window. The same position he puts a novice LB in every week. Who's fault is it? JONES. Are we ignoring that the rest of the defence failed to do their job too....
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 15, 2019 21:11:03 GMT
Considering he is the one who keeps saying
Judge me, blame me, the responsibility lies with me, then yep I guess it is his fault
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Post by nott1 on Sept 16, 2019 11:28:41 GMT
Both goals supplied from their right wing, the position where every one of our fans know that we needed a LB which should have been filled in the transfer window. The same position he puts a novice LB in every week. Who's fault is it? JONES. Are we ignoring that the rest of the defence failed to do their job too.... Not at all but the initial threat came from that position, not for the first time this season either!
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