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Post by Ron on Sept 14, 2019 16:56:28 GMT
He signed the god awful new recruits in the summer. He picks the team. He sets them up. It’s his fault. I genuinely am astounded that any fan can have the viewpoint that we keep him. He is totally and utterly out of his depth. The family need to accept he’s made a mistake and move on. This is the worst defensive set up I’ve seen from stoke on a long time- what worse is that it’s the most average collection of defenders going! Jones out!
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Post by starkiller on Sept 14, 2019 16:56:44 GMT
We're heading for league one, regardless of whose fault it is.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Sept 14, 2019 16:57:54 GMT
If this is still being debated all hope is lost! He needs to go, now, immediately, without any further consideration, gone.
Bye. It was wank.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 16:58:02 GMT
It might help if fucking bell ends don't get red carded. Was that Jones' fault? He shouldn't have been on the pitch to start with. He's been gash. Exactly. Jones picked him, Jones made him captain. Etebo was benched so that could happen. If Clucas, Etebo and Ndiaye had been our midfield three today, no way would we have lost that game. Allen's sending off, might just be thing that saves our season. He can't get anywhere near the team for the next three matches, it's just a pity one of them is the Crawley game and not a league fixture.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 14, 2019 16:58:18 GMT
What was his end of match hand gesture all about? Either "I'm sorry, I tried" or "Sorry, I tried but goodbye..." ? i thought it looked very defeatist too
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 14, 2019 17:01:40 GMT
Get B.O in as gaffer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:03:26 GMT
He shouldn't have been on the pitch to start with. He's been gash. If Clucas, Etebo and Ndiaye had been our midfield three today, no way would we have lost that game. Hard not to agree, even the forgotten man Woods would have been better than Allen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:03:45 GMT
Who’s fault is it? How long before we sack him? How close to relegation do we have to be until we sack him? What could Coates do other than sack jones to turn this around? What has Jones done to prove he will turn this around? Jones out. Joe “fucking” Allen. He cost us today, end of.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 14, 2019 17:03:57 GMT
Anyone else think Butland was absolutely gash for both their goals today?
Even in form his biggest weakness was his 6 yard box presence.
Awful yet again.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Sept 14, 2019 17:05:20 GMT
I don’t care about mitigating circumstances ie Joe Allen getting sent off. We lost again. I know that’s a simplistic way of looking at things but we keep losing and therefore we are getting zero points and therefore edging closer to league fucking one. League one- let that sink in. It would devastate this club. We keep losing. Every bloody week. Be it due to Butland, Allen or whoever. This manager keeps losing, and I don’t want the club stand idly by while he keeps losing. This is now a massive task, and one we can’t fail. What is the club going to do about it? I don't know what all the fuss is about
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:05:29 GMT
It's a defence problem. More precisely, a central defence problem. It's terrible. It's probably more a left back problem, as McClean twice fails to close down their wide right man in the build up to the two goals. Jones fails by three of his worst overall decisions by keeping faith continously with McClean, who again fails to defend properly and adds nothing to the attacking specialities of his position, Allen who was awarded with the captains' band and promptly got himself stupidly sent off, and keeping faith with Ince, who does nothing for the team. But as I've stated before he's made himself unsackable by signing 12 players, very few of whom another manager can be expected to work with. We've got a squad of 37 players, some out on loan but we're paying them anyway, so it's very unlikely that any new manager would be offered the chance to bring in 10 new players in the next transfer window. And none of the potential candidates would be prepared to come in and work on a no budget. So we're stuck with Jones and we have to support him, because it doesn't help the team if we don't.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 14, 2019 17:11:58 GMT
Hands up who would have said before the game that playing joe allen was a mistake?
I know I would.
Who would also have said the full backs he's selected are nowhere near good enough? Most of us I think.
It is his fault. Totally
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Post by stokie1954 on Sept 14, 2019 17:12:27 GMT
Anyone who says it's not Jones' fault he just as naive as he is Many have been, today wasn't. Do me a favour. Allen over Etebo should not have happened, Allen has been gash for a long time now yet Jones keeps picking him. Jones picks the team so who is at fault?.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 14, 2019 17:17:51 GMT
It might help if fucking bell ends don't get red carded. Was that Jones' fault? Who picked him again ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:18:19 GMT
I believe Jones had input on new players I believe Jones Has input on Team Selection I believe Jones has input on coaching said team I believe Jones has input on formation of team I believe Jones has input on tactics I believe Jones has input on Subs I believe there is some sort of common factor here I believe Jones team was 1 up and bossing the game, he can't account for Allen lunging in like he did.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:19:11 GMT
He shouldn't have been on the pitch to start with. He's been gash. Exactly. Jones picked him, Jones made him captain. Etebo was benched so that could happen. If Clucas, Etebo and Ndiaye had been our midfield three today, no way would we have lost that game. Allen's sending off, might just be thing that saves our season. He can't get anywhere near the team for the next three matches, it's just a pity one of them is the Crawley game and not a league fixture. Either of those three could have done what Allen did today.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Sept 14, 2019 17:19:38 GMT
Many have been, today wasn't. Do me a favour. Allen over Etebo should not have happened, Allen has been gash for a long time now yet Jones keeps picking him. Jones picks the team so who is at fault?. What favour is that then? Anyway, he was there and was sent off. Yes Jones picked the team, but had it not been for Allen being red carded, I think that game was ours today. We'll see now how the next three games go without him.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 14, 2019 17:21:31 GMT
Exactly. Jones picked him, Jones made him captain. Etebo was benched so that could happen. If Clucas, Etebo and Ndiaye had been our midfield three today, no way would we have lost that game. Allen's sending off, might just be thing that saves our season. He can't get anywhere near the team for the next three matches, it's just a pity one of them is the Crawley game and not a league fixture. Either of those three could have done what Allen did today. No chance. Allen is under fire and he knows it himself. It's resulted in him losing his head and being too desperate to keep the ball. Also, he shouldn't be that far up the pitch as he is shit in the final third. He should have been taken out of the firing line
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 14, 2019 17:21:43 GMT
I believe I once heard it said that a Manager needs to be good, but more than that he needs to be lucky. Jones is clearly not that. So at some point you have to change your luck. Somehow.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 17:22:50 GMT
Exactly. Jones picked him, Jones made him captain. Etebo was benched so that could happen. If Clucas, Etebo and Ndiaye had been our midfield three today, no way would we have lost that game. Allen's sending off, might just be thing that saves our season. He can't get anywhere near the team for the next three matches, it's just a pity one of them is the Crawley game and not a league fixture. Either of those three could have done what Allen did today. Hugely disagree. It was classic (and that's the important bit) Allen ... second touch is a tackle, invariably a shit one. We will be a better side without Joe Allen in it.
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Post by march4 on Sept 14, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
Of course it is Jones’ fault.
Our defence plays like strangers every game. The easiest job of even a sub-standard manager is to organise defensively and Jones can’t even do that.
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Post by march4 on Sept 14, 2019 17:25:59 GMT
I believe Jones had input on new players I believe Jones Has input on Team Selection I believe Jones has input on coaching said team I believe Jones has input on formation of team I believe Jones has input on tactics I believe Jones has input on Subs I believe there is some sort of common factor here I believe Jones team was 1 up and bossing the game, he can't account for Allen lunging in like he did. No, but he can organise the defence so that it isn’t conceding two goals every single game. That statistic alone is laughable and the reason he needs to go.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Sept 14, 2019 17:27:51 GMT
It might help if fucking bell ends don't get red carded. Was that Jones' fault? Who picked him again ? Well he won't be doing that for three games will he. Of course Jones picked him, but losing the game today wasn't his fault. Bristol are in the top six I believe, and we should have won today. Too many are ready to swing the axe when there is still plenty of time. I agree that only a certain amount of time can pass with these results though.
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Post by pistol on Sept 14, 2019 17:28:59 GMT
Jones is cursed. It isn’t working for him. Someone needs to put him out of his misery
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:29:07 GMT
Im fully in the Jones out camp but you can't sack him on today. The Allen red is dubious. Edwards defending is piss poor. But to play with 10 men for 80 minutes and totally nullify them, in fact we were as threatening as they were, is credit to the manager. We looked excellent for 15 minutes. We looked good for another 20. We looked Okay for the remainder. I honestly believe a yellow for Allen which wouldn't have been criticised would have seen us win that comfortably. If he sticks with that formation we will easily stay up. Badou was a different class. Edwards was good, Mclean got done twice for both goals. This game was null to judge him on really but if we insist on judging him on it first 20 is what I want to see. Main negative was mclean at wingback, not addressing that is criminal and it keeps coming back to bite us.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:31:02 GMT
Either of those three could have done what Allen did today. No chance. Allen is under fire and he knows it himself. It's resulted in him losing his head and being too desperate to keep the ball. Also, he shouldn't be that far up the pitch as he is shit in the final third. He should have been taken out of the firing line Etebo and Clucas have been sent in the past, it happens.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 14, 2019 17:31:18 GMT
Who’s fault is it? How long before we sack him? How close to relegation do we have to be until we sack him? What could Coates do other than sack jones to turn this around? What has Jones done to prove he will turn this around? Jones out. Who will you blame if your king pulis doesn't turn it around? Jones has shaped this season now, whoever comes in. Its more a case of thanking anyone for a long time to come if they can reverse the momentum and save us.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 14, 2019 17:31:46 GMT
Im fully in the Jones out camp but you can't sack him on today. The Allen red is dubious. Edwards defending is piss poor. But to play with 10 men for 80 minutes and totally nullify them, in fact we were as threatening as they were, is credit to the manager. We looked excellent for 15 minutes. We looked good for another 20. We looked Okay for the remainder. I honestly believe a yellow for Allen which wouldn't have been criticised would have seen us win that comfortably. If he sticks with that formation we will easily stay up. Badou was a different class. Edwards was good, Mclean got done twice for both goals. This game was null to judge him on really but if we insist on judging him on it first 20 is what I want to see. Main negative was mclean at wingback, not addressing that is criminal and it keeps coming back to bite us. Edwards played pretty well particularly going forward but was at fault for both goals
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 17:33:33 GMT
Either of those three could have done what Allen did today. Hugely disagree. It was classic (and that's the important bit) Allen ... second touch is a tackle, invariably a shit one. We will be a better side without Joe Allen in it. I don't disagree but to put them forward as if they've never done it and it couldn't happen if they were the midfield three is to ignore whats happened before.
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Post by sealion100 on Sept 14, 2019 17:34:15 GMT
Fact is things happen during football games... it’s how you react... soon as Allen got dismissed we should have replaced Ince for Etebo and kept it tight .... Why do it after we fall behind poor management from all involved not just jones
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