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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 14:41:16 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 10, 2019 14:46:45 GMT
It's great that he's doing well. Is there any evidence to suggest he's better than what we've got? He's excelling in a league that the thus-far thoroughly ordinary Liam Lindsey also excelled in.
Good luck to him, great that's he's doing well. This isn't in any way proof as to whether he's good enough one way or the other though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 14:51:44 GMT
It's great that he's doing well. Is there any evidence to suggest he's better than what we've got? He's excelling in a league that the thus-far thoroughly ordinary Liam Lindsey also excelled in. Good luck to him, great that's he's doing well. This isn't in any way proof as to whether he's good enough one way or the other though. Or the question could just as well be: is there any evidence to suggest he's not better than what we've got? Well there's no evidence to suggest that Batth and Lindsay are better. They're no good at all. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2019 14:54:24 GMT
It's great that he's doing well. Is there any evidence to suggest he's better than what we've got? He's excelling in a league that the thus-far thoroughly ordinary Liam Lindsey also excelled in. Good luck to him, great that's he's doing well. This isn't in any way proof as to whether he's good enough one way or the other though. Just use your eyes when you see him play. Yes he's slow but it's obvious that he's decent. Obviously we have a surfeit of centre backs - even if we play three regularly - so a season out for him is probably the best. If we somehow keep Collins next summer then move some of the others on and bring Souttar back then. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 10, 2019 15:00:04 GMT
It's great that he's doing well. Is there any evidence to suggest he's better than what we've got? He's excelling in a league that the thus-far thoroughly ordinary Liam Lindsey also excelled in. Good luck to him, great that's he's doing well. This isn't in any way proof as to whether he's good enough one way or the other though. Just use your eyes when you see him play. Yes he's slow but it's obvious that he's decent. Obviously we have a surfeit of centre backs - even if we play three regularly - so a season out for him is probably the best. If we somehow keep Collins next summer then move some of the others on and bring Souttar back then. He will be great for us next season as he will already be accustomed to League one football. Can give some insight to the rest of the lads |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 10, 2019 15:08:29 GMT
It's great that he's doing well. Is there any evidence to suggest he's better than what we've got? He's excelling in a league that the thus-far thoroughly ordinary Liam Lindsey also excelled in. Good luck to him, great that's he's doing well. This isn't in any way proof as to whether he's good enough one way or the other though. Just use your eyes when you see him play. Yes he's slow but it's obvious that he's decent. Obviously we have a surfeit of centre backs - even if we play three regularly - so a season out for him is probably the best. If we somehow keep Collins next summer then move some of the others on and bring Souttar back then. I have absolutely no problem with that. The implication it was somehow folly to send him out on loan is what I take issue with. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 10, 2019 15:10:27 GMT
It's great that he's doing well. Is there any evidence to suggest he's better than what we've got? He's excelling in a league that the thus-far thoroughly ordinary Liam Lindsey also excelled in. Good luck to him, great that's he's doing well. This isn't in any way proof as to whether he's good enough one way or the other though. Or the question could just as well be: is there any evidence to suggest he's not better than what we've got? Well there's no evidence to suggest that Batth and Lindsay are better. They're no good at all. Lindsay shone in the same division Souttar is now. You could argue if you wanted to that his performances for Barnsley are evidence at this stage in their respective development. Souttar will benefit from another season of regular football. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2019 15:19:26 GMT
The way I recall it there were far more people saying 'give him a go', than he wasn't good enough in the first place!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 10, 2019 15:23:12 GMT
Send him to Bolton, that’s the “outstanding” place we send our top talents.
I guarantee he’s no worse than the lumbering great abortions we’ve seen shuffling around attempting to defend so far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 15:42:51 GMT
In hindsight we'd be no worse off by starting both Souttar and Collins, selling BMI, not buying Lindsay and having Batth as experienced cover.
Out of hindsight, we had Shawcross before his injury and one of the two younger lads needed games.
At most it would have been Ryan plus one of the younger lads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 16:11:31 GMT
Or the question could just as well be: is there any evidence to suggest he's not better than what we've got? Well there's no evidence to suggest that Batth and Lindsay are better. They're no good at all. Lindsay shone in the same division Souttar is now. You could argue if you wanted to that his performances for Barnsley are evidence at this stage in their respective development. Souttar will benefit from another season of regular football. If possible move Lindsay on back to L1 and recall Souttar asap. That should settle it... |
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2019 16:23:48 GMT
Just use your eyes when you see him play. Yes he's slow but it's obvious that he's decent. Obviously we have a surfeit of centre backs - even if we play three regularly - so a season out for him is probably the best. If we somehow keep Collins next summer then move some of the others on and bring Souttar back then. I have absolutely no problem with that. The implication it was somehow folly to send him out on loan is what I take issue with. Fair |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 10, 2019 16:29:25 GMT
Lindsay shone in the same division Souttar is now. You could argue if you wanted to that his performances for Barnsley are evidence at this stage in their respective development. Souttar will benefit from another season of regular football. If possible move Lindsay on back to L1 and recall Souttar asap. That should settle it... Or just let Souttar continue to build his confidence and improve at a crucial stage in his development by playing where he is week in, week out? |
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Post by adi on Sept 10, 2019 16:57:26 GMT
His confidence would take a hammering here and possibly regress his development. He’s in the best place or at least a better place than Stoke right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 17:30:02 GMT
If possible move Lindsay on back to L1 and recall Souttar asap. That should settle it... Or just let Souttar continue to build his confidence and improve at a crucial stage in his development by playing where he is week in, week out? Or give Souttar a chance to improve a team that badly needs improving? Of course this scenario is unlikely to happen under current management, as that would force Nathan Jones to admit be made the wrong decision in a) loaning out a real talent b) signing a player who is not better than the player he loaned out. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 10, 2019 20:04:53 GMT
Lubala from Crawley on that list, you just know ....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2019 22:37:08 GMT
Just use your eyes when you see him play. Yes he's slow but it's obvious that he's decent. Obviously we have a surfeit of centre backs - even if we play three regularly - so a season out for him is probably the best. If we somehow keep Collins next summer then move some of the others on and bring Souttar back then. I have absolutely no problem with that. The implication it was somehow folly to send him out on loan is what I take issue with. We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 10, 2019 23:58:34 GMT
I have absolutely no problem with that. The implication it was somehow folly to send him out on loan is what I take issue with. We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. I agree, I don't understand the signing of Lindsay. I do have reservations about Souttar though. I think he's slow and makes too many mistakes but obviously far more qualified people than I see his talent therefore, as young man, time will tell and I hope he becomes a positive for us. A loan is far better than him playing the odd game here and there for us. |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 11, 2019 5:59:24 GMT
We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. I agree, I don't understand the signing of Lindsay. I do have reservations about Souttar though. I think he's slow and makes too many mistakes but obviously far more qualified people than I see his talent therefore, as young man, time will tell and I hope he becomes a positive for us. A loan is far better than him playing the odd game here and there for us. The new process, buy younger cheaper players from lower leagues rather than older higher paid ex prem. Sadly our processes don't assess either the quality or need for said player. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 6:38:35 GMT
I have absolutely no problem with that. The implication it was somehow folly to send him out on loan is what I take issue with. We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. Would you have had Souttar and Collins as our first choice central pairing at the start of the season? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 7:09:23 GMT
We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. Would you have had Souttar and Collins as our first choice central pairing at the start of the season? If we were going to play hungry young athletic players I would. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 7:23:02 GMT
Would you have had Souttar and Collins as our first choice central pairing at the start of the season? If we were going to play hungry young athletic players I would. Is Souttar athletic? Have you seen him play a lot then? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 11, 2019 7:39:00 GMT
If we signed Messi,you know he would turn to shit once he puts a Stoke top on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2019 8:53:42 GMT
We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. Would you have had Souttar and Collins as our first choice central pairing at the start of the season? I’d have had Batth and Collins. If Batth couldn’t play then I’d have happily has Souttar playing yeah. Lindsay is no better than Souttar, an absolute waste of a transfer. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2019 8:55:11 GMT
We had absolutely no need to sign Liam Lindsay. I agree, I don't understand the signing of Lindsay. I do have reservations about Souttar though. I think he's slow and makes too many mistakes but obviously far more qualified people than I see his talent therefore, as young man, time will tell and I hope he becomes a positive for us. A loan is far better than him playing the odd game here and there for us. He is slow but he’s more use than Lindsay at the other stuff and he would/should have played his fair share of games so far with how the season has gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 9:47:42 GMT
If we were going to play hungry young athletic players I would. Is Souttar athletic? Have you seen him play a lot then? Is a 6ft7 player not by definition athletic (provided he doesn't do a chips diet by his pc all year round)? |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 11, 2019 10:01:37 GMT
Or the question could just as well be: is there any evidence to suggest he's not better than what we've got? Well there's no evidence to suggest that Batth and Lindsay are better. They're no good at all. Lindsay shone in the same division Souttar is now. You could argue if you wanted to that his performances for Barnsley are evidence at this stage in their respective development. Souttar will benefit from another season of regular football. There is no that much evidence that Lindsay shone, if you refer to Barnsley forums from last season, they rated their other defenders more highly and were surprised when we came in for him. Can’t remember where the other CB went, but he was the one they all wanted to keep. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 10:02:16 GMT
His confidence would take a hammering here and possibly regress his development. He’s in the best place or at least a better place than Stoke right now. I don't "buy into" the theory that young potentials are better out on loan. If a new manager comes in in January, first thing he'll do is look at the awful central defenders we are sporting atm. Then he'll go out into the market and buy two, if not three, old hands, and won't be able to sell Batth Bruno, and Lindsay, in addition to having Collins not being played much by the previous manager, which he'll see as a sign on the window. When someone tells him by the end of the season that we had a central defender on loan in L1, he'll scoff at the lower league and sell him for 1K. Then six months later his new club will sell him for 10M. No if we have potential on our hands we should develop here, including a few games, and then more games as appropriate for the likes of Verlinden and to a slightly smaller degree Souttar. Who knows, they might even improve themselves AND the team if they stayed at a potentially higher level. It does take a manager with the guts to play them though. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 10:16:09 GMT
Would you have had Souttar and Collins as our first choice central pairing at the start of the season? I’d have had Batth and Collins. If Batth couldn’t play then I’d have happily has Souttar playing yeah. Lindsay is no better than Souttar, an absolute waste of a transfer. So you wouldn’t have had Ryan in the mix, pre-injury? The issue isn’t so much Lindsay, who is bang average, as that it’s better for Souttar to play every week and keep developing than being stuck as 4th choice, which was the situation facing him at the time even if we hadn’t signed LL. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 10:16:29 GMT
I’d have had Batth and Collins. If Batth couldn’t play then I’d have happily has Souttar playing yeah. Lindsay is no better than Souttar, an absolute waste of a transfer. So you wouldn’t have had Ryan in the mix, pre-injury? The issue isn’t so much Lindsay, who is bang average, as that it’s better for Souttar to play every week and keep developing than being stuck as 4th choice, which was the situation facing him at the time even if we hadn’t signed LL. Erm, no? |
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