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Post by adi on Sept 10, 2019 18:48:25 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. I think it’s expected that someone will say “it’s 6 games ffs knicker wetter”
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 10, 2019 19:07:55 GMT
Toxic environment. You should sit in the changing room.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 10, 2019 20:22:34 GMT
Toxic environment. You should sit in the changing room. Nathan's nerves do sometimes get the better of him. We shouldn't mock flatulence, but it is having a negative effect on the changing room. I've heard it's why we lost player of the month Afobe
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2019 22:35:11 GMT
It’s almost like we’ve been really shit for 3 years.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 10, 2019 22:58:00 GMT
All the fans are possibly guilty of is not kicking off about things earlier, when it was obvious we'd gone really shit in the Premier League. There was a fair bit of collective denial.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 10, 2019 23:41:12 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years. Reflect on that for a moment.
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Post by sutekh on Sept 11, 2019 1:23:57 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years. Reflect on that for a moment. Sparkys time was up fella,we simply had to get rid of him.
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Post by Davef on Sept 11, 2019 7:08:21 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years. Reflect on that for a moment. Bore off.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 7:28:06 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years. Reflect on that for a moment. Reflect on what, you chatting shit again?
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 11, 2019 7:31:32 GMT
This is absolute garbage. Have you been to any away games???
The support this club gets is fantastic. Very loyal and committed fan base. It’s not reciprocated on the pitch.
Blaming the fans is a very dangerous road to go down and will only end up in tears.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 11, 2019 10:26:57 GMT
Quote: Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years. Reflect on that for a moment.
Can't say if it was right or wrong, although it probably felt right at the time. Now it holds echoes of Blackburn Rovers who were doing ok in the Prem, but then decided that they wanted to change the playing style and shake things up and went into a tail spin.
With hindsight the most successful and stable clubs have clearly stayed with a strong manager through thick and thin, so Ferguson, Wenger, Moyes at Everton, Dyche at Burnley, arguably Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Maybe we should have stuck with what worked for us and stayed with Pulis, but equally I feel that having made a decision to change then you can't go back. Pulis was a man of his time but now both he and the club have changed and he represents the past. The sad thing is if he had stayed then I'm sure history would have been much different and we would be still up there in premiership mid table.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 11:35:15 GMT
Quote: Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years.Reflect on that for a moment. Can't say if it was right or wrong, although it probably felt right at the time. Now it holds echoes of Blackburn Rovers who were doing ok in the Prem, but then decided that they wanted to change the playing style and shake things up and went into a tail spin. With hindsight the most successful and stable clubs have clearly stayed with a strong manager through thick and thin, so Ferguson, Wenger, Moyes at Everton, Dyche at Burnley, arguably Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Maybe we should have stuck with what worked for us and stayed with Pulis, but equally I feel that having made a decision to change then you can't go back. Pulis was a man of his time but now both he and the club have changed and he represents the past. The sad thing is if he had stayed then I'm sure history would have been much different and we would be still up there in premiership mid table. It was the right call. We were going backwards. If anything you could make the case it prolonged our stay in the Premier League. As far as the ‘most successful clubs’ things goes, even those managers have/had a sell by date.
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 11, 2019 11:38:09 GMT
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Post by Davef on Sept 11, 2019 11:46:58 GMT
With hindsight the most successful and stable clubs have clearly stayed with a strong manager through thick and thin, so Ferguson, Wenger, Moyes at Everton, Dyche at Burnley, arguably Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Maybe we should have stuck with what worked for us and stayed with Pulis, but equally I feel that having made a decision to change then you can't go back. Pulis was a man of his time but now both he and the club have changed and he represents the past. The sad thing is if he had stayed then I'm sure history would have been much different and we would be still up there in premiership mid table. You're basing that on nothing more than sentimentality. Since Pulis was sacked, seven or eight clubs have come into the Premier League and established themselves. There are twenty clubs in the league and every season three must be relegated. The likes of Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth and even Burnley, Newcastle, Brighton and Watford have come up, stayed up and in a couple of cases made a real impact and when that happens clubs who stagnate tend to be the ones who eventually get found out. Those last two seasons under Pulis had all the ingredients of a club who would eventually drop and despite the period under Hughes when we picked up a bit, the last two and a half seasons under him doomed us. Pulis was sacked by West Brom after a run of three league wins in 24 matches. His Middlesbrough team missed a play-off place despite being top of the league at one point and having lost six straight matches during the run in (including four consecutive home games). They were knocked out of both cup competitions by lower league opposition. To suggest that we'd still be a Premier League club with him in charge is for the birds in my opinion. You seem to be forgetting that his relationship with certain people at the club had broken down, his results were poor, many of his signings questionable, he had undoubtedly become complacent and crowds were dwindling.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 11, 2019 12:13:34 GMT
This board has definitely got toxic but the atmosphere at the ground has held up pretty well considering with one or two dishonourable exceptions, particularly the booing of Afobe against QPR which pretty has much secured his departure from the club and I'm sure will have had a pretty poor effect on squad morale. A crowd that gets behind it's team regardless of results and performance can have a massive influence on the squad. In Leicester's first season back in the Premiership their fans were magnificent and played a big part in keeping them up - and got rewarded handsomely the following season. By way of contrast the season Newcastle last got relegated from the Premier League their much lauded fans were awful and almost certainly contributed to the downward spiral in the team's performance that saw them go down. I'm not suggesting we are anywhere near as bad as the Newcastle fans that season - but equally we are nowhere near making the contribution the Leicester fans made to their survival and subsequent success. I get there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism - but the constant tirade of negativity or even the passive aggression of walking out early is bound to have a negative effect on the performance of the team. At the moment as supporters our net effect on the team is probably a bit on the negative side - but I don't see any signs of it becoming a net positive any time soon. Which is a shame because we could make a difference. What I don't get is those posters who think pouring out a constant stream of negative bile will improve our situation. Even if it is in anyway justified it's really missing the point of, you know, actually supporting the team when they need it most? Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 11, 2019 12:20:04 GMT
Quote: Well, I for one saw it coming nearly four and a half years ago. This is what you get for getting rid of the most successful manger we've had for 40 odd years.Reflect on that for a moment. Can't say if it was right or wrong, although it probably felt right at the time. Now it holds echoes of Blackburn Rovers who were doing ok in the Prem, but then decided that they wanted to change the playing style and shake things up and went into a tail spin. With hindsight the most successful and stable clubs have clearly stayed with a strong manager through thick and thin, so Ferguson, Wenger, Moyes at Everton, Dyche at Burnley, arguably Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Maybe we should have stuck with what worked for us and stayed with Pulis, but equally I feel that having made a decision to change then you can't go back. Pulis was a man of his time but now both he and the club have changed and he represents the past. The sad thing is if he had stayed then I'm sure history would have been much different and we would be still up there in premiership mid table. Like a lot of clubs, we stagnated. At some point it happens to every manager, no matter how good they are. We were on a big downward spiral under Tony, make no mistake about it. One more season of him and we'd have dropped at the form rate we were on at the time.
It had happened with Pulis and he had to go. After the FA Cup final, he had the golden opportunity to evolve Stoke City. Our name was in the limelight more than ever, we were in Europe. We ended up signing Woodgate, Upson, Crouch, Palacios, Jerome. Hardly the progressive signings we needed to continue to evolve, Crouch aside who has been a good servant, but wasn't even needed anyway but was signed purely for the fact that he was Peter Crouch.
Failure to replace an aging and injured Etherington, playing Shotton over Pennant, instantly replacing Kenwyne, Woodgate in RB, need I continue? He ran out of ideas and didn't know/want to take Stoke to the so called 'next level', which at the time should have been Top 10. You could in fact argue that Mark Hughes had prolonged our stay in the Premier League another 4 years.
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Post by stokeson on Sept 11, 2019 12:20:43 GMT
Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with. Sorry ! When did I get a vote on Managers ,Players or team selection. I just get to say Im not happy on here but to "AGAIN" blame the fans is just plain daft.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 11, 2019 12:21:08 GMT
If Pulis was let go at just the right time, Hughes was kept on for 6 months too long. I've no doubt if Tony had been in charge at the start of the 13/14 season we'd have been dismal and flirted with relegation like we did in 12/13. As is, Pulis was rightfully removed from his duties and he went on to do well at Palace just as we did we under Hughes. It's the fine margins. If Hughes goes after 16/17...who knows?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 12:21:32 GMT
Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with. Sorry, this is complete bollocks as well. Rowett did not 'steady the ship'. He spent £50m on players who didn't fit the system he wanted to play and further unbalanced what was already a mess of a squad. He ostracised anybody the least bit creative. He threw his players under the bus in public. He has nobody to blame but himself. Afobe, who was utterly wretched the prior season and was at least partially to blame for that, shouldn't have been picked by Jones and certainly shouldn't have been moved to play out wide. The booing was unpleasant, unedifying and unnecessary, but it was a situation again created by the manager.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 11, 2019 12:24:17 GMT
Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with. Right, so just so I’m clear. - Relegation from the Premier League - Keeping woeful players on long contracts - Spending millions on more woeful players - Not doing due diligence on said players - Appointing a succession of poor managers - Failing a food hygiene rating - Serving woeful beer - Not being able to facilitate card payments in 2019 - Fans not being able to get into matches because of administration fuck ups - Players clearly only here for their obscene wages - A run of EIGHTEEN wins out of NINETY games - An inability to attack, defend, retain possession or even catch a fucking shot that’s straight at the goalkeeper - Currently rock bottom of the championship a mere four years after dismantling Liverpool 6-1 - The chief executive and other higher-ups who have overseen this cataclysmic fall from grace have not been sacked - The social media engagement is laughable - Our players appear to not know what being a footballer actually entails - We had, as a CHAMPIONSHIP club, over £50 MILLION worth of players out on loan last season - We have filled our squad with also rans and freebies otherwise we’ll get absolutely fisted by FFP, thanks to the failings of our wonderful “process” So all of that that could quite feasibly make us a toxic club is null and void because the fans are a bit mean and shouty from time to time? We should have stormed the fucking box again long ago, we’ve shown more patience than a shaolin monk, and if anyone honestly believes a finger can be waved at the fans you’re an absolutely huge, hulking great nonce.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 11, 2019 14:20:29 GMT
Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with. Lambert steadied the ship should we have kept him ?, Rowett and Jones to a larger extent have been totally disastrous appointments as have the majority of their signings, I don't recall the fans having a say in any of these decisions .
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 11, 2019 16:06:42 GMT
When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with. Lambert steadied the ship should we have kept him ?, Rowett and Jones to a larger extent have been totally disastrous appointments as have the majority of their signings, I don't recall the fans having a say in any of these decisions . Lambert didn't steady the ship - if anything he made us worse and it was the right decision to let him go. The fans hounded out Hughes who had more chance of keeping us than Lambert ever did. We got relegated with an increasingly dysfunctional bunch of ex-Prem players. After a dodgy start Rowett steadied the ship and got us moving up the league. After a couple of poor results he was hounded out of the club by the fans and was replaced by Jones who - in a mirror image to the previous season - made us worse. Had we stuck with Rowett we would have done far better last season. As soon as we sacked him any remaining chance of a play off place went out of the window. By successfully hounding Rowett out of the club the fans who hounded him out made us worse. And his crime? Pointing out that we have some dickhead fans. Which is clearly true. The fans hounded Afobe out the club by booing him at the QPR game and have lost us a potential 20 goal striker. Which will make us worse. Well done. The same fans are now hounding out Jones claiming they have the best interests of the club at heart and believe yet another change of manager mid season will solve all the problems - despite the fact that doing just that has made us worse two seasons on the trot. To make matters even more absurd the fans who hounded out the previous managers and a potentially very effective striker are now claiming that it is everybody else's fault and that the fans are innocent victims in the whole debacle - despite being successful in their campaigns to hound out 2 managers and at least one player which has seen us plummet down the leagues. Yes mistakes have been made by the owners, successive managers and players. But the fans have played their part in this as well and to say otherwise is hypocritical bullshit of the highest order. As per my original post - we are not at Newcastle fans levels of toxic negativity - yet. But if more fans get on to your bandwagon of incessant negative bile we will - and the only way is down. Happy clappers of the world unite - your club needs you. What it doesn't need is yet more "innocent fans" jumping on the toxicity bandwagon that will drive the club to oblivion - proclaiming their innocence and blaming everybody else along the way. It's like watching a baby with a blow torch smiling innocently at the havoc it is causing. If you want to be a toxic, negative, goat slaying dickhead stand up and be proud. The nauseating thing is not actually taking any responsibility for the consequences of your actions. It's truly pathetic.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2019 16:23:23 GMT
Lambert steadied the ship should we have kept him ?, Rowett and Jones to a larger extent have been totally disastrous appointments as have the majority of their signings, I don't recall the fans having a say in any of these decisions . Lambert didn't steady the ship - if anything he made us worse and it was the right decision to let him go. The fans hounded out Hughes who had more chance of keeping us than Lambert ever did. We got relegated with an increasingly dysfunctional bunch of ex-Prem players. After a dodgy start Rowett steadied the ship and got us moving up the league. After a couple of poor results he was hounded out of the club by the fans and was replaced by Jones who - in a mirror image to the previous season - made us worse. Had we stuck with Rowett we would have done far better last season. As soon as we sacked him any remaining chance of a play off place went out of the window. By successfully hounding Rowett out of the club the fans who hounded him out made us worse. And his crime? Pointing out that we have some dickhead fans. Which is clearly true. The fans hounded Afobe out the club by booing him at the QPR game and have lost us a potential 20 goal striker. Which will make us worse. Well done. The same fans are now hounding out Jones claiming they have the best interests of the club at heart and believe yet another change of manager mid season will solve all the problems - despite the fact that doing just that has made us worse two seasons on the trot. To make matters even more absurd the fans who hounded out the previous managers and a potentially very effective striker are now claiming that it is everybody else's fault and that the fans are innocent victims in the whole debacle - despite being successful in their campaigns to hound out 2 managers and at least one player which has seen us plummet down the leagues. Yes mistakes have been made by the owners, successive managers and players. But the fans have played their part in this as well and to say otherwise is hypocritical bullshit of the highest order. As per my original post - we are not at Newcastle fans levels of toxic negativity - yet. But if more fans get on to your bandwagon of incessant negative bile we will - and the only way is down. Happy clappers of the world unite - your club needs you. What it doesn't need is yet more "innocent fans" jumping on the toxicity bandwagon that will drive the club to oblivion - proclaiming their innocence and blaming everybody else along the way. It's like watching a baby with a blow torch smiling innocently at the havoc it is causing. If you want to be a toxic, negative, goat slaying dickhead stand up and be proud. The nauseating thing is not actually taking any responsibility for the consequences of your actions. It's truly pathetic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 16:26:21 GMT
Lambert steadied the ship should we have kept him ?, Rowett and Jones to a larger extent have been totally disastrous appointments as have the majority of their signings, I don't recall the fans having a say in any of these decisions . Lambert didn't steady the ship - if anything he made us worse and it was the right decision to let him go. The fans hounded out Hughes who had more chance of keeping us than Lambert ever did. We got relegated with an increasingly dysfunctional bunch of ex-Prem players. After a dodgy start Rowett steadied the ship and got us moving up the league. After a couple of poor results he was hounded out of the club by the fans and was replaced by Jones who - in a mirror image to the previous season - made us worse. Had we stuck with Rowett we would have done far better last season. As soon as we sacked him any remaining chance of a play off place went out of the window. By successfully hounding Rowett out of the club the fans who hounded him out made us worse. And his crime? Pointing out that we have some dickhead fans. Which is clearly true. The fans hounded Afobe out the club by booing him at the QPR game and have lost us a potential 20 goal striker. Which will make us worse. Well done. The same fans are now hounding out Jones claiming they have the best interests of the club at heart and believe yet another change of manager mid season will solve all the problems - despite the fact that doing just that has made us worse two seasons on the trot. To make matters even more absurd the fans who hounded out the previous managers and a potentially very effective striker are now claiming that it is everybody else's fault and that the fans are innocent victims in the whole debacle - despite being successful in their campaigns to hound out 2 managers and at least one player which has seen us plummet down the leagues. Yes mistakes have been made by the owners, successive managers and players. But the fans have played their part in this as well and to say otherwise is hypocritical bullshit of the highest order. As per my original post - we are not at Newcastle fans levels of toxic negativity - yet. But if more fans get on to your bandwagon of incessant negative bile we will - and the only way is down. Happy clappers of the world unite - your club needs you. What it doesn't need is yet more "innocent fans" jumping on the toxicity bandwagon that will drive the club to oblivion - proclaiming their innocence and blaming everybody else along the way. It's like watching a baby with a blow torch smiling innocently at the havoc it is causing. If you want to be a toxic, negative, goat slaying dickhead stand up and be proud. The nauseating thing is not actually taking any responsibility for the consequences of your actions. It's truly pathetic. Sorry, is there any chance anything you post might bear some relation to reality at any stage, or are you just on a wind-up now? 'Rowett got us moving up the league'? We were what, 14th when he was sacked after a £50m spend. We were struggling to manage more than two shots on target against the worst teams in the league. His 433 didn't suit many of the players he himself went all out to sign. On what planet were things getting better? It was down to him at least in part that we were that far down the league in the first place? Afobe was shit last season. Not all his fault, but a lot of it was. Why is he 'potentially a 20-goal a season striker'? When has he scored that many in a season before? He scores a couple of goals for Bristol City and suddenly history is rewritten and he's Gerd Fucking Muller.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 11, 2019 16:30:20 GMT
When he was booed off the pitch against QPR BY THE FANS he was playing in a front 2 with Vokes - and it was Vokes who was having a worse game than Adobe on the day - first half particularly Afobe was looking lively and making good runs. The fans got rid of Afobe - not Rowett or Jones. It was the fans who got rid of Rowett who had actually steadied the ship. And it will be the fans who will hound out Jones and make us untouchable as a club. Well done - you getting everything you deserve and blaming everyone but yourself for the position we are in - an unstable club with an increasingly toxic environment that no sane ambitious player or manager would want anything to do with. Right, so just so I’m clear. - Relegation from the Premier League - Keeping woeful players on long contracts - Spending millions on more woeful players - Not doing due diligence on said players - Appointing a succession of poor managers - Failing a food hygiene rating - Serving woeful beer - Not being able to facilitate card payments in 2019 - Fans not being able to get into matches because of administration fuck ups - Players clearly only here for their obscene wages - A run of EIGHTEEN wins out of NINETY games - An inability to attack, defend, retain possession or even catch a fucking shot that’s straight at the goalkeeper - Currently rock bottom of the championship a mere four years after dismantling Liverpool 6-1 - The chief executive and other higher-ups who have overseen this cataclysmic fall from grace have not been sacked - The social media engagement is laughable - Our players appear to not know what being a footballer actually entails - We had, as a CHAMPIONSHIP club, over £50 MILLION worth of players out on loan last season - We have filled our squad with also rans and freebies otherwise we’ll get absolutely fisted by FFP, thanks to the failings of our wonderful “process” So all of that that could quite feasibly make us a toxic club is null and void because the fans are a bit mean and shouty from time to time? We should have stormed the fucking box again long ago, we’ve shown more patience than a shaolin monk, and if anyone honestly believes a finger can be waved at the fans you’re an absolutely huge, hulking great nonce.[/b] So you're going to sit on the fence for this one, opinion wise, Bojan?
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 11, 2019 16:35:26 GMT
I note that no-one seems to have blamed Pottermus for anything yet. Personally I think he needs to either up his game or stand aside and let some new superhero have a go at the job.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 11, 2019 16:54:13 GMT
Lambert steadied the ship should we have kept him ?, Rowett and Jones to a larger extent have been totally disastrous appointments as have the majority of their signings, I don't recall the fans having a say in any of these decisions . Lambert didn't steady the ship - if anything he made us worse and it was the right decision to let him go. The fans hounded out Hughes who had more chance of keeping us than Lambert ever did. We got relegated with an increasingly dysfunctional bunch of ex-Prem players. After a dodgy start Rowett steadied the ship and got us moving up the league. After a couple of poor results he was hounded out of the club by the fans and was replaced by Jones who - in a mirror image to the previous season - made us worse. Had we stuck with Rowett we would have done far better last season. As soon as we sacked him any remaining chance of a play off place went out of the window. By successfully hounding Rowett out of the club the fans who hounded him out made us worse. And his crime? Pointing out that we have some dickhead fans. Which is clearly true. The fans hounded Afobe out the club by booing him at the QPR game and have lost us a potential 20 goal striker. Which will make us worse. Well done. The same fans are now hounding out Jones claiming they have the best interests of the club at heart and believe yet another change of manager mid season will solve all the problems - despite the fact that doing just that has made us worse two seasons on the trot. To make matters even more absurd the fans who hounded out the previous managers and a potentially very effective striker are now claiming that it is everybody else's fault and that the fans are innocent victims in the whole debacle - despite being successful in their campaigns to hound out 2 managers and at least one player which has seen us plummet down the leagues. Yes mistakes have been made by the owners, successive managers and players. But the fans have played their part in this as well and to say otherwise is hypocritical bullshit of the highest order. As per my original post - we are not at Newcastle fans levels of toxic negativity - yet. But if more fans get on to your bandwagon of incessant negative bile we will - and the only way is down. Happy clappers of the world unite - your club needs you. What it doesn't need is yet more "innocent fans" jumping on the toxicity bandwagon that will drive the club to oblivion - proclaiming their innocence and blaming everybody else along the way. It's like watching a baby with a blow torch smiling innocently at the havoc it is causing. If you want to be a toxic, negative, goat slaying dickhead stand up and be proud. The nauseating thing is not actually taking any responsibility for the consequences of your actions. It's truly pathetic. Are you on Heroin or do you spend your evenings in a straight jacket? So us mere mortals are responsible for our multi-million pound football club which is (allegedly) run by highly paid and experienced professionals, turning into shit?, not the owners, not the players, not the executives, not the staff, but us? Teachers, office workers, delivery drivers, normal, hardworking people that just want some enjoyment and a sense of pride out of their team not abject failure and embarrassment at every corner, which has been the norm for three years now? Seriously all the points listed in this thread and you can find the energy to blame the fans? You’re either on a very elaborate wind up or so far away in the clouds you’re on a collision course with Neptune. Jesus fucking wept.
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 11, 2019 17:09:30 GMT
I note that no-one seems to have blamed Pottermus for anything yet. Personally I think he needs to either up his game or stand aside and let some new superhero have a go at the job. I was looking at Pottermus last home game (yeah, it's what I'm into) and he's very grubby. He looks like someone in the midst of a particularly harrowing divorce whose personal hygiene has gone to pot after being force to sleep in his car. Come to think of it, I haven't seen Pottermiss for a while. Maybe she's been banging that dog from the Vale - Boner I think he's called - and has now fucked off and taken the kids with her. Either way, it's a poor showing from the foam artiodactyl.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 11, 2019 17:15:01 GMT
I understand why the atmosphere is poor - we've barely had anything to cheer about for years. Literally years. I don't blame the supporters. However, if I was a player, I really wouldn't enjoy playing at home. I know they are paid crazy money but the tension around the place is tangible and leads to them not daring to take risks. It's catch 22 as the only way to break the cycle is a win. Your point falls down on one small point. We don't like playing away either.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 11, 2019 17:17:09 GMT
I forgot a few things... there's plenty to embarrass us if you care to look more deeply into it. The worst thing is in one of the interviews this season the manager didn't even know we hadn't scored 3 goals in a game in how ever many years it is now. How did he not even know. In fairness Simon Sharma would struggle to remember the last time that happened?
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