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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 19:44:01 GMT
PC needs to retire? Why? He was spot on in that interview. Because the board of which he is a part is the biggest issue at this club. If he thinks we’ve had a bad start only and ignored last season then he’s a moron. If he thinks we’ve been unlucky then he’s massively deluded. It’s history and recent history at that repeating itself. The Coates family are an issue . history hasn't repeated itself though has it. They felt under pressure sacking rowett prematurely because they were accused (rightly) of leaving hughes too long, (3 years too long in my book). You think we should just sack a manager 6 games into a new season when we have just backed him.with 10 new players, you're deluded. This is a project and as someone e else finely wrote earlier, grow a pair, take the rough with the smooth and back the project.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2019 19:51:07 GMT
Because the board of which he is a part is the biggest issue at this club. If he thinks we’ve had a bad start only and ignored last season then he’s a moron. If he thinks we’ve been unlucky then he’s massively deluded. It’s history and recent history at that repeating itself. The Coates family are an issue . history hasn't repeated itself though has it. They felt under pressure sacking rowett prematurely because they were accused (rightly) of leaving hughes too long, (3 years too long in my book). You think we should just sack a manager 6 games into a new season when we have just backed him.with 10 new players, you're deluded. This is a project and as someone e else finely wrote earlier, grow a pair, take the rough with the smooth and back the project. A project? To get us into League One? That’s what it felt like all summer and it’s going swimmingly well. He’s out of his depth. The 6 games is misleading too with last season where he was doing the exact same but with better players. And of course it’s history repeating. They did the same with Hughes. And sacking Hughes 3 years before we did is just a mental notion.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 11, 2019 19:52:14 GMT
You must like losing games of football. Then again, you are a bit of a strange one. No offence, like 😊 Suck it up, buttercup 😊 I'ved sucked up 3 wins in 26 you halfwit. Why do you enjoy watching Stoke lose? Are you even a Stoke fan? I reckon not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 19:52:36 GMT
Not like this place s-o-t, there is something in the water around these parts. If these people that radically post negative shit consistently are really so so bothered, and things are so so bad why dont they use their energy to organise a protest at the game instead of consistently peddling their shite day after day? That joker bayern has just posted we have let 2 better strikers leave the club than hogan & gregory, I take it he is on about afobe, the same afobe he has been slagging off and people were dying to get rid of. If we had kept him he would be moaning he is still here. If the shoe fits... Your attitude is the one of Stoke-on-Trent that stinks. Happy with shite. I’ve defended Afobe more than most on here! 😂😂 Our resident hypocrite, on the other hand, was devastated Afobe left: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6515713/threadoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6515716/thread #awkward
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 20:12:35 GMT
What has that got to do with anything? I'm pointing out that they wanted afobe gone but now he's scored a whopping 3 goals for Bristol they think he should be at stoke, solely because it suits their anti jones agenda. I couldn't give a shit he is at bristol. Clown. No one needs to pass you a spade do they, ffs 🤣.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 20:21:21 GMT
What has that got to do with anything? I'm pointing out that they wanted afobe gone but now he's scored a whopping 3 goals for Bristol they think he should be at stoke, solely because it suits their anti jones agenda. I couldn't give a shit he is at bristol. Clown. No one needs to pass you a spade do they, ffs 🤣. Bayern defended Afobe more than most as he said. Made the point that we weren't playing to his strengths. Said he thought he'd do well at Bristol as they would. So really you're just making stuff up. Moaning about people hounding Afobe out when you yourself couldn't care less he is gone and seemed quite happy about it...odd.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 20:24:15 GMT
What has that got to do with anything? I'm pointing out that they wanted afobe gone but now he's scored a whopping 3 goals for Bristol they think he should be at stoke, solely because it suits their anti jones agenda. I couldn't give a shit he is at bristol. Clown. No one needs to pass you a spade do they, ffs 🤣. Bayern defended Afobe more than most as he said. Made the point that we weren't playing to his strengths. Said he thought he'd do well at Bristol. So really you're just making stuff up. Moaning about people hounding Afobe out when you yourself couldn't care less he is gone...odd. You're an odd ball for digging that up. I couldn't care less about afobe going because I back the managers judgement, if he doesnt fit in with jones he doesnt fit in. I'm not the one making a song and dance about him scoring 3 goals for bristol, odd ball.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 20:26:53 GMT
Bayern defended Afobe more than most as he said. Made the point that we weren't playing to his strengths. Said he thought he'd do well at Bristol. So really you're just making stuff up. Moaning about people hounding Afobe out when you yourself couldn't care less he is gone...odd. You're an odd ball for digging that up. I couldn't care less about afobe going because I back the managers judgement, if he doesnt fit in with jones he doesnt fit in. I'm not the one making a song and dance about him scoring 3 goals for bristol, odd ball. But I thought the fans hounded him out?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 20:29:46 GMT
You're an odd ball for digging that up. I couldn't care less about afobe going because I back the managers judgement, if he doesnt fit in with jones he doesnt fit in. I'm not the one making a song and dance about him scoring 3 goals for bristol, odd ball. But I thought the fans hounded him out? Says who?
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Post by miltonstokienew on Sept 11, 2019 20:38:35 GMT
Wouldn't waste yout time with the repeatative troll. any thoughts on how we are doing under Nathan oh interesting one ? a sentence would be nice if you have the ability to construct one that is. We're doing wank. Like the majority of your posts. Groundhog boy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:00:12 GMT
But I thought the fans hounded him out? Says who? So you don't blame the fans for moaning. You're just moaning about people moaning about Afobe who weren't moaning when you were the one moaning about Afobe.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 21:21:46 GMT
So you don't blame the fans for moaning. You're just moaning about people moaning about Afobe who weren't moaning when you were the one moaning about Afobe. 🤣 Wtf are you on about. You've made a fool of yourself, that's if it's even possible for a fool to make a fool of themselves. Admit it, you have tried to make me look daft but made yourself look daft instead, awkward 🤭 If you're going to go to the effort of trying to make someone look daft at least be sure you know what you're talking about. Amateur stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:23:18 GMT
So you don't blame the fans for moaning. You're just moaning about people moaning about Afobe who weren't moaning when you were the one moaning about Afobe. 🤣 Wtf are you on about. You've made a fool of yourself, that's if it's even possible for a fool to make a fool of themselves. Admit it, you have tried to make me look daft but made yourself look daft instead, awkward 🤭 If you're going to go to the effort of trying to make someone look daft at least be sure you know what you're talking about. Amateur stuff. Yep sure. You having a go at people who literally made the point that we weren’t using Afobe right all along totally makes me look stupid.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 21:29:30 GMT
🤣 Wtf are you on about. You've made a fool of yourself, that's if it's even possible for a fool to make a fool of themselves. Admit it, you have tried to make me look daft but made yourself look daft instead, awkward 🤭 If you're going to go to the effort of trying to make someone look daft at least be sure you know what you're talking about. Amateur stuff. Yep sure. You having a go at people who literally made the point that we weren’t using Afobe right all along totally makes me look stupid. Look, every man and his dog wanted afobe moved on, don't kid yourself. Muckspreader & bayern bringing him up scoring 3 goals is nothing but agenda driven bullshit. He didn't fit the way jones wanted to play so he moved him on, in his place he brought in hogan who has scored two and hit the woodwork a few times in half the time on the pitch than afobe has had on it this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:33:57 GMT
Yep sure. You having a go at people who literally made the point that we weren’t using Afobe right all along totally makes me look stupid. Look, every man and his dog wanted afobe moved on, don't kid yourself. Muckspreader & bayern bringing him up scoring 3 goals is nothing but agenda driven bullshit. He didn't fit the way jones wanted to play so he moved him on, in his place he brought in hogan who has scored two and hit the woodwork a few times in half the time on the pitch than afobe has had on it this season. His head had gone for sure but if it doesn’t raise alarm bells that’s he’s now gone to a team who are playing to his strengths and he’s like a new player then what will? It’s not an agenda against Jones it’s evidence that we don’t seem to be playing to our players strengths. Which is one of the main issues people have with Jones. It’s not a coincidence everyone has suddenly gone to shit. But you just dismiss it all and say it’s an agenda. You even will defend Rowett to the death but one of the main issues was that he bought Afobe to play as a lone striker and he’s not a lone striker.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 21:39:16 GMT
Look, every man and his dog wanted afobe moved on, don't kid yourself. Muckspreader & bayern bringing him up scoring 3 goals is nothing but agenda driven bullshit. He didn't fit the way jones wanted to play so he moved him on, in his place he brought in hogan who has scored two and hit the woodwork a few times in half the time on the pitch than afobe has had on it this season. His head had gone for sure but if it doesn’t raise alarm bells that’s he’s now gone to a team who are playing to his strengths and he’s like a new player then what will? It’s not an agenda against Jones it’s evidence that we don’t seem to be playing to our players strengths. Which is one of the main issues people have with Jones. It’s not a coincidence everyone has suddenly gone to shit. But you just dismiss it all and say it’s an agenda. You even will defend Rowett to the death but one of the main issues was that he bought Afobe to play as a lone striker and he’s not a lone striker. Suddenly gone to shit? We are six games into a 46 game season with ten new players to gel together into the team/squad. Its absolutely normal to get off to a slow start under those circumstances. This is a fresh season with fresh hope, we have actually been shit for a long time before jones arrived.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:40:52 GMT
His head had gone for sure but if it doesn’t raise alarm bells that’s he’s now gone to a team who are playing to his strengths and he’s like a new player then what will? It’s not an agenda against Jones it’s evidence that we don’t seem to be playing to our players strengths. Which is one of the main issues people have with Jones. It’s not a coincidence everyone has suddenly gone to shit. But you just dismiss it all and say it’s an agenda. You even will defend Rowett to the death but one of the main issues was that he bought Afobe to play as a lone striker and he’s not a lone striker. Suddenly gone to shit? We are six games into a 46 game season with ten new players to gel together into the team/squad. Its absolutely normal to get off to a slow start under those circumstances. This is a fresh season with fresh hope, we have actually been shit for a long time before jones arrived. Not this shit. You keep saying players to settle in who have hardly played and other teams have had similar numbers but don’t seem to be having to use this excuse. Nor have you responded to the point about Afobe as an example of not playing to our players strengths.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 21:46:55 GMT
Suddenly gone to shit? We are six games into a 46 game season with ten new players to gel together into the team/squad. Its absolutely normal to get off to a slow start under those circumstances. This is a fresh season with fresh hope, we have actually been shit for a long time before jones arrived. Not this shit. You keep saying players to settle in who have hardly played and other teams have had similar numbers but don’t seem to be having to use this excuse. Well I can assure you with so many changes in a transfer window to your squad make up a slow start is perfectly normal. Dont give a shit what other clubs are doing, their fast start could tail off well we pick up. It means nothing at this stage. I remember stoke making loads of changes one summer a few years ago, who was it we battered 4-0 on the opening day? The team escapes me, I'm sure it was the summer Darrell Russell signed but I might be wrong, we thought we were going to be the dogs bollocks that season after that game
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:52:05 GMT
Not this shit. You keep saying players to settle in who have hardly played and other teams have had similar numbers but don’t seem to be having to use this excuse. Well I can assure you with so many changes in a transfer window to your squad make up a slow start is perfectly normal. Dont give a shit what other clubs are doing, their fast start could tail off well we pick up. It means nothing at this stage. I remember stoke making loads of changes one summer a few years ago, who was it we battered 4-0 on the opening day? The team escapes me, I'm sure it was the summer Darrell Russell signed, we thought we were going to be the dogs bollocks that season after that game And you’re just going to ignore the point about Afobe and carry on making generalisations and going on about a season where we finished 11th having nearly been relegated the season before but for a new manager coming in and saving us...
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 21:56:08 GMT
Well I can assure you with so many changes in a transfer window to your squad make up a slow start is perfectly normal. Dont give a shit what other clubs are doing, their fast start could tail off well we pick up. It means nothing at this stage. I remember stoke making loads of changes one summer a few years ago, who was it we battered 4-0 on the opening day? The team escapes me, I'm sure it was the summer Darrell Russell signed, we thought we were going to be the dogs bollocks that season after that game And you’re just going to ignore the point about Afobe and carry on making generalisations and going on about a season where we finished 11th... Why has jones got to play to Afobe's strengths? He didn't buy him, if he doesn't fit in he's moved on, that's how it works at every club. He has replaced afobe with a guy that has 2 goals and played half as many minutes as him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:58:47 GMT
And you’re just going to ignore the point about Afobe and carry on making generalisations and going on about a season where we finished 11th... Why has jones got to play to Afobe's strengths? He didn't buy him, if he doesn't fit in he's moved on, that's how it works at every club. He has replaced afobe with a guy that has 2 goals and played half as many minutes as him. Some people might think playing to your players strengths is what a manager should do. You might then start to wonder whether given the downturn throughout the squad since he arrived if he is not playing to the players strengths. You are referring to a striker who the manager has also dropped only to appear as a substitute and yet even that doesn’t start to ring any alarm bells...
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 22:04:34 GMT
Why has jones got to play to Afobe's strengths? He didn't buy him, if he doesn't fit in he's moved on, that's how it works at every club. He has replaced afobe with a guy that has 2 goals and played half as many minutes as him. Some people might think playing to your players strengths is what a manager should do. You might then start to wonder whether given the downturn throughout the squad since he arrived if he is not playing to the players strengths. You are referring to a striker who the manager has also dropped only to appear as a substitute and yet even that doesn’t start to ring any alarm bells... So when jones took over last season was was our players/teams strengths?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 22:08:27 GMT
Some people might think playing to your players strengths is what a manager should do. You might then start to wonder whether given the downturn throughout the squad since he arrived if he is not playing to the players strengths. You are referring to a striker who the manager has also dropped only to appear as a substitute and yet even that doesn’t start to ring any alarm bells... So when jones took over last season was was our players/teams strengths? You’ve gone a bit Benji... what you on about? You’ve made the point yourself we were in a better position results wise even under Rowett so how can you say we have not got worse? Because Rowett bought Afobe to play a lone striker and Ince and McClean to play in a front three when that is not how any of them previously played does not mean it is any less of a terrible idea to play Ince as a No.10 and McClean as a left back...does it? We just seem to be repeating the same mistakes in trying to shoehorn people in to something that doesn’t fit?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 22:11:50 GMT
So when jones took over last season was was our players/teams strengths? You’ve gone a bit Benji... what you on about? You’ve made the point yourself we were in a better position results wise even under Rowett so how can you say we have not got worse? Because Rowett bought Afobe to play a lone striker and Ince and McClean to play in a front three when that is not how any of them previously played does not mean it is any less of a terrible idea to play Ince as a No.10 and McClean as a left back...does it? Gone all benji? Hang on a minute you have been bashing jones for last seasons results at any opportunity but you're coming to the conclusion that last season we were an unbalanced mess when he arrived.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 22:16:10 GMT
You’ve gone a bit Benji... what you on about? You’ve made the point yourself we were in a better position results wise even under Rowett so how can you say we have not got worse? Because Rowett bought Afobe to play a lone striker and Ince and McClean to play in a front three when that is not how any of them previously played does not mean it is any less of a terrible idea to play Ince as a No.10 and McClean as a left back...does it? Gone all benji? Hang on a minute you have been bashing jones for last seasons results at any opportunity but you're coming to the conclusion that last season we were an unbalanced mess when he arrived. Your post didn’t make sense. No it is not a case of being “unbalanced” it is a case of not playing to our players strengths. Under Rowett we weren’t playing to our players strengths and we had bought players to play on a system they weren’t suited to. And Jones has not fixed these issues but has instead continued to make the same mistakes.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 22:24:47 GMT
Gone all benji? Hang on a minute you have been bashing jones for last seasons results at any opportunity but you're coming to the conclusion that last season we were an unbalanced mess when he arrived. Your post didn’t make sense. No it is not a case of being “unbalanced” it is a case of not playing to our players strengths. Under Rowett we weren’t playing to our players strengths and we had bought players to play on a system they weren’t suited to. And Jones has not fixed these issues but has instead continued to make the same mistakes. What strengths should we have been playing to under rowett that jones should have employed with the same group of players? I'd expect GR to at least get some points after handpicking 3 players he spent £50m on to slot where 'he' wants them to play. If rowett was getting the maximum out of that squad and it was seen as not good enough then what do you expect Jones to do, come in and play them the same? If no how should jones have played that group of players to better rowett's results? McLean and ince are being accommodated because they are on large contracts, do you really think jones sees ince as a number 10? Where else does McLean play? What formation are you suggesting jones should play to fit ince, Afobe & mclean into one team AND get results? He didn't buy them, we are struggling to attract a buyer, what do you suggest we do?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 22:28:14 GMT
Your post didn’t make sense. No it is not a case of being “unbalanced” it is a case of not playing to our players strengths. Under Rowett we weren’t playing to our players strengths and we had bought players to play on a system they weren’t suited to. And Jones has not fixed these issues but has instead continued to make the same mistakes. What strengths should we have been playing to under rowett that jones should have employed with the same group of players? I'd expect GR to at least get some points after handpicking 3 players he spent £50m on to slot where 'he' wants them to play. If rowett was getting the maximum out of that squad and it was seen as not good enough then what do you expect Jones to do, come in and play them the same? If no how should jones have played that group of players to better rowett's results? McLean and ince are being accommodated because they are on large contracts, do you really think jones sees ince as a number 10? Where else does McLean play? What formation are you suggesting jones should play to fit ince, Afobe & mclean into one team? He didn't buy them, we are struggling to attract a buyer, what do you suggest we do? He could have a go at playing them as wingers. Afobes doing well as a part of a standard front too playing balls in behind him like he always has. Why did Jones sign 11 players only to continue to play McClean and Ince? Why did he sign Duffy and Powell if they are all earmarked for the one No.10 role? I am really struggling with how you can’t see that none of this makes any sense? Rowett gets absolutely no points for spending £50m on players that weren’t suited to where “he” wanted to play them. To suggest otherwise is daft. A manager should be able to identify whether a player is right for how he wants to play. He got it horribly wrong.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 22:41:28 GMT
What strengths should we have been playing to under rowett that jones should have employed with the same group of players? I'd expect GR to at least get some points after handpicking 3 players he spent £50m on to slot where 'he' wants them to play. If rowett was getting the maximum out of that squad and it was seen as not good enough then what do you expect Jones to do, come in and play them the same? If no how should jones have played that group of players to better rowett's results? McLean and ince are being accommodated because they are on large contracts, do you really think jones sees ince as a number 10? Where else does McLean play? What formation are you suggesting jones should play to fit ince, Afobe & mclean into one team? He didn't buy them, we are struggling to attract a buyer, what do you suggest we do? He could have a go at playing them as wingers. Afobes doing well as a part of a standard front too playing balls in behind him like he always has. Why did Jones sign 11 players only to continue to play McClean and Ince? Why did he sign Duffy and Powell if they are all earmarked for the one No.10 role? I am really struggling with how you can’t see that none of this makes any sense? Rowett gets absolutely no points for spending £50m on players that weren’t suited to where “he” wanted to play them. To suggest otherwise is daft. A manager should be able to identify whether a player is right for how he wants to play. He got it horribly wrong. We havnt got the midfield pairing for a standard 442. Actually, 'if' he can get ndiaye onside he may actually do that. Previously we havnt had the CM pairing for a flat 442. Jones has come here hoping to play the 442 diamond he has had great success with, and why wouldnt he? it's up to scholes to make the changes happen to facilitate this.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 12, 2019 9:43:25 GMT
I saw this on YouTube today: I cant believe - A) that was only 6 years ago B) thats actually us I think many people were intoxicated with our Stokealona flair and despite being 'true supporters' grieve for those days of attacking football and giant killing It's hard to accept we are shit on and off the pitch when you think how close we were to the big boys Accept it we must do and hope it doesn't take another 30+ years to do it again Good find, and yes seems like a long time ago
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Post by thevoid on Sept 12, 2019 10:13:20 GMT
His head had gone for sure but if it doesn’t raise alarm bells that’s he’s now gone to a team who are playing to his strengths and he’s like a new player then what will? It’s not an agenda against Jones it’s evidence that we don’t seem to be playing to our players strengths. Which is one of the main issues people have with Jones. It’s not a coincidence everyone has suddenly gone to shit. But you just dismiss it all and say it’s an agenda. You even will defend Rowett to the death but one of the main issues was that he bought Afobe to play as a lone striker and he’s not a lone striker. Suddenly gone to shit? We are six games into a 46 game season with ten new players to gel together into the team/squad. Its absolutely normal to get off to a slow start under those circumstances. This is a fresh season with fresh hope, we have actually been shit for a long time before jones arrived. Can you explain Swansea's start please?
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