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Post by Timmypotter on Sept 7, 2019 11:22:02 GMT
On Footy Focus now.
What a top bloke he is. That is all.
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Post by Gods on Sept 7, 2019 11:37:47 GMT
Yes, definitely one of the good guys.
And thankfully he's managed to avoid shopping at that mysterious gentlemen's outfitter that most ex pro pundits l(Shearer, Murphy et al) go to in order to purchase an extra slim fit shiny shirt and some crotch bulging trousers 2 sizes too small!
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 7, 2019 11:41:54 GMT
He is a top bloke, been through lifes trials and tribulations and come out stronger.... Love his attitude and antics..... Knows what he's talking about too....
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Post by zerps on Sept 7, 2019 11:43:35 GMT
Give him the managers job.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 7, 2019 12:41:08 GMT
Give him the managers job. I reckon he'd likely earn us a victory before Jones does!
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Post by richardparker on Sept 7, 2019 13:28:47 GMT
Top pro for Stoke and gave us plenty to cheer about. Not sure why he had such a hard on for David Cameron, mind!?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Sept 7, 2019 13:36:15 GMT
Top pro for Stoke and gave us plenty to cheer about. Not sure why he had such a hard on for David Cameron, mind!? Really??? What did he have to say about Roy Keane?
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 7, 2019 14:01:20 GMT
Top pro for Stoke and gave us plenty to cheer about. Not sure why he had such a hard on for David Cameron, mind!? Presumably because of better tax cuts for his earning bracket... Fairly sure he has since confirmed he's not a Tory and his comments were misplaced. Could be wrong though
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Post by orfyboothen on Sept 7, 2019 19:14:10 GMT
Top pro for Stoke and gave us plenty to cheer about. Not sure why he had such a hard on for David Cameron, mind!? Presumably because of better tax cuts for his earning bracket... Fairly sure he has since confirmed he's not a Tory and his comments were misplaced. Could be wrong though You are spot on. Think he even said he needed to educate himself more on such matters. Fair play.
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Post by Northy on Sept 7, 2019 20:49:16 GMT
Top pro for Stoke and gave us plenty to cheer about. Not sure why he had such a hard on for David Cameron, mind!? Really??? What did he have to say about Roy Keane? He's a cnut
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 10:16:53 GMT
Would be a good bet for next manager !
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2019 10:28:03 GMT
Would be a good bet for next manager ! Yes, if the last 12 months have proven anything it's that this is exactly the situation for an inexperienced rookie to walk into...
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 10:34:45 GMT
Would be a good bet for next manager ! Yes, if the last 12 months have proven anything it's that this is exactly the situation for an inexperienced rookie to walk into... Yeah fat frank did appallingly at Derby didn’t he
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2019 10:41:33 GMT
Yes, if the last 12 months have proven anything it's that this is exactly the situation for an inexperienced rookie to walk into... Yeah fat frank did appallingly at Derby didn’t he For every 'Fat Frank' there's an ex-player who failed miserably isn't there? Lampard and Walters are (I'm told) entirely different human beings and the success of one has no relevance whatsoever to the prospects of the other. Here's a few more for you. Lampard had an entire pre-season having walked into the team that had just finished sixth. He was able to call up some favours from his old mates at Chelsea to get Mount and also got Wilson in from Liverpool. Walters would be parachuted in as Jones was only with even less experience, after the season has started, to a side bottom of the league with a squad full of players with mental fortitude as strong as your average pint of Skol. Not the same thing, is it youth?
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 10:52:08 GMT
Yeah fat frank did appallingly at Derby didn’t he For every 'Fat Frank' there's an ex-player who failed miserably isn't there? Lampard and Walters are (I'm told) entirely different human beings and the success of one has no relevance whatsoever to the prospects of the other. Here's a few more for you. Lampard had an entire pre-season having walked into the team that had just finished sixth. He was able to call up some favours from his old mates at Chelsea to get Mount and also got Wilson in from Liverpool. Walters would be parachuted in as Jones was only with even less experience, after the season has started, to a side bottom of the league with a squad full of players with mental fortitude as strong as your average pint of Skol. Not the same thing, is it youth? Ok a few for you. Walters will have (you would think) a reasonably good relationship with the family and actually be trusted by them. He will have some players on board from the word go and nearly all The fans. He seems a nice guy, this alone in some people’s eyes is enough for Jones to be given the rest of the season. Lastly can he seriously do any worse ? I believe that we look pretty good for the drop this season currently. Opinions pal are like belly buttons, we all have them but they don’t carry much water. Maybe try respecting the opinion of others rather than working yourself into a lather ??
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 10:53:35 GMT
Yeah fat frank did appallingly at Derby didn’t he For every 'Fat Frank' there's an ex-player who failed miserably isn't there? Lampard and Walters are (I'm told) entirely different human beings and the success of one has no relevance whatsoever to the prospects of the other. Here's a few more for you. Lampard had an entire pre-season having walked into the team that had just finished sixth. He was able to call up some favours from his old mates at Chelsea to get Mount and also got Wilson in from Liverpool. Walters would be parachuted in as Jones was only with even less experience, after the season has started, to a side bottom of the league with a squad full of players with mental fortitude as strong as your average pint of Skol. Not the same thing, is it youth? I do however agree with one thing you said it is a risk, however show me a manager appointment that isn’t ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2019 10:57:08 GMT
For every 'Fat Frank' there's an ex-player who failed miserably isn't there? Lampard and Walters are (I'm told) entirely different human beings and the success of one has no relevance whatsoever to the prospects of the other. Here's a few more for you. Lampard had an entire pre-season having walked into the team that had just finished sixth. He was able to call up some favours from his old mates at Chelsea to get Mount and also got Wilson in from Liverpool. Walters would be parachuted in as Jones was only with even less experience, after the season has started, to a side bottom of the league with a squad full of players with mental fortitude as strong as your average pint of Skol. Not the same thing, is it youth? Ok a few for you. Walters will have (you would think) a reasonably good relationship with the family and actually be trusted by them. He will have some players on board from the word go and nearly all The fans. He seems a nice guy, this alone in some people’s eyes is enough for Jones to be given the rest of the season. Lastly can he seriously do any worse ? I believe that we look pretty good for the drop this season currently. Opinions pal are like belly buttons, we all have them but they don’t carry much water. Maybe try respecting the opinion of others rather than working yourself into a lather ?? Most of the above you could apply to Jones too. Why is 'knowing the family' good enough to get you the manager's gig? What kind of manager is Walters? What kind of football would he play? What kind of players would he bring in? What's his man management style? None of us know, and if he hadn't played for the club you wouldn't even be suggesting him. This is a messageboard, not everyone is going to agree with you or your opinions.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2019 10:57:44 GMT
For every 'Fat Frank' there's an ex-player who failed miserably isn't there? Lampard and Walters are (I'm told) entirely different human beings and the success of one has no relevance whatsoever to the prospects of the other. Here's a few more for you. Lampard had an entire pre-season having walked into the team that had just finished sixth. He was able to call up some favours from his old mates at Chelsea to get Mount and also got Wilson in from Liverpool. Walters would be parachuted in as Jones was only with even less experience, after the season has started, to a side bottom of the league with a squad full of players with mental fortitude as strong as your average pint of Skol. Not the same thing, is it youth? I do however agree with one thing you said it is a risk, however show me a manager appointment that isn’t ? They're all risks, but some are far riskier than others. This wouldn't be a risk so much as a kamikaze mission.
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 11:01:32 GMT
Ok a few for you. Walters will have (you would think) a reasonably good relationship with the family and actually be trusted by them. He will have some players on board from the word go and nearly all The fans. He seems a nice guy, this alone in some people’s eyes is enough for Jones to be given the rest of the season. Lastly can he seriously do any worse ? I believe that we look pretty good for the drop this season currently. Opinions pal are like belly buttons, we all have them but they don’t carry much water. Maybe try respecting the opinion of others rather than working yourself into a lather ?? Most of the above you could apply to Jones too. Why is 'knowing the family' good enough to get you the manager's gig? What kind of manager is Walters? What kind of football would he play? What kind of players would he bring in? What's his man management style? None of us know, and if he hadn't played for the club you wouldn't even be suggesting him. This is a messageboard, not everyone is going to agree with you or your opinions. Exactly it is a message board so why speak to me like something you scrap of your shoe for suggesting something you clearly are not keen on ?? Maybe it isn’t what you say but the way you say it.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 8, 2019 11:05:35 GMT
Truth is nobody knows whether he would be Chris Kamara or Howard Kendall as far as ex Stoke players going into management goes.
It’s a big risk, and one that typically a lower league team would take initially before he would move onto a bigger job. I agree he probably would struggle to have a worse win ratio than Jones right now but we’d need somebody who we BELIEVE can turn things around before we get relegated again, not one that we HOPE can.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2019 11:06:57 GMT
Most of the above you could apply to Jones too. Why is 'knowing the family' good enough to get you the manager's gig? What kind of manager is Walters? What kind of football would he play? What kind of players would he bring in? What's his man management style? None of us know, and if he hadn't played for the club you wouldn't even be suggesting him. This is a messageboard, not everyone is going to agree with you or your opinions. Exactly it is a message board so why speak to me like something you scrap of your shoe for suggesting something you clearly are not keen on ?? Maybe it isn’t what you say but the way you say it. If that's how it comes across, I apologise unreservedly. (It's a very daft idea in the circumstances though)
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 11:08:08 GMT
Truth is nobody knows whether he would be Chris Kamara or Howard Kendall as far as ex Stoke players going into management goes. It’s a big risk, and one that typically a lower league team would take initially before he would move onto a bigger job. I agree he probably would struggle to have a worse win ratio than Jones right now but we’d need somebody who we BELIEVE can turn things around before we get relegated again, not one that we HOPE can. Maybe so however we all believed Jones could to lesser or greater extents. Largely due to the guff he endlessly came out with. I appreciate the chicken and egg argument with experience of management etc but given this option over the same names and faces I know which I would go for...... that’s all. I better go before somebody threatens the family cat 😂
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Post by elystokie on Sept 8, 2019 11:10:23 GMT
Most of the above you could apply to Jones too. Why is 'knowing the family' good enough to get you the manager's gig? What kind of manager is Walters? What kind of football would he play? What kind of players would he bring in? What's his man management style? None of us know, and if he hadn't played for the club you wouldn't even be suggesting him. This is a messageboard, not everyone is going to agree with you or your opinions. Exactly it is a message board so why speak to me like something you scrap of your shoe for suggesting something you clearly are not keen on ?? Maybe it isn’t what you say but the way you say it. I can't see where he's spoken to you like you're 'something he'd scrape off his shoe' if I'm honest mate, seems to me you're being a bit over sensitive.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 8, 2019 11:12:04 GMT
Truth is nobody knows whether he would be Chris Kamara or Howard Kendall as far as ex Stoke players going into management goes. It’s a big risk, and one that typically a lower league team would take initially before he would move onto a bigger job. I agree he probably would struggle to have a worse win ratio than Jones right now but we’d need somebody who we BELIEVE can turn things around before we get relegated again, not one that we HOPE can. Maybe so however we all believed Jones could to lesser or greater extents. Largely due to the guff he endlessly came out with. I appreciate the chicken and egg argument with experience of management etc but given this option over the same names and faces I know which I would go for...... that’s all. I better go before somebody threatens the family cat 😂 The cat is safe... for now...
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 11:23:14 GMT
Exactly it is a message board so why speak to me like something you scrap of your shoe for suggesting something you clearly are not keen on ?? Maybe it isn’t what you say but the way you say it. I can't see where he's spoken to you like you're 'something he'd scrape off his shoe' if I'm honest mate, seems to me you're being a bit over sensitive. Maybe so. Just find it reflective of society in general currently and yes I am sure you know what I speak of. If somebody disagrees with you surely that is just one of those things. If I thought it was stupid I wouldn’t have suggested it. Being honest I don’t see much else posted on here that makes a great deal more sense eg TP coming back, Moyes etc etc
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Post by elystokie on Sept 8, 2019 11:34:57 GMT
I can't see where he's spoken to you like you're 'something he'd scrape off his shoe' if I'm honest mate, seems to me you're being a bit over sensitive. Maybe so. Just find it reflective of society in general currently and yes I am sure you know what I speak of. If somebody disagrees with you surely that is just one of those things. If I thought it was stupid I wouldn’t have suggested it. Being honest I don’t see much else posted on here that makes a great deal more sense eg TP coming back, Moyes etc etc I was only commenting on things as I saw them mate, I don't generally see that much in society to take offence about if I'm honest, perhaps I walk around in ignorant bliss, who knows
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 11:36:35 GMT
Maybe so. Just find it reflective of society in general currently and yes I am sure you know what I speak of. If somebody disagrees with you surely that is just one of those things. If I thought it was stupid I wouldn’t have suggested it. Being honest I don’t see much else posted on here that makes a great deal more sense eg TP coming back, Moyes etc etc I was only commenting on things as I saw them mate, I don't generally see that much in society to take offence about if I'm honest, perhaps I walk around in ignorant bliss, who knows I try to do just that 😂😂
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Post by boothenesque on Sept 8, 2019 12:31:26 GMT
Yet was slated on here, booed, people said he was just a crap workhorse who just implemented Pulis anti-football and they wished him gone because we were better. We got what we wished for. Didn't turn out so well losing players of that level of ability, determination and attitude. Now it's Butland's turn. It's always been the same, Paul Richardson who scored the winner at NottsC, Paul Macguire's 4 goals against Wolves, many others branded the scapegoat at the time, in recent times Whelan, Cresswell, players that did their jobs yet slaughtered for doing so. I suppose on one hand they were well paid for doing so but I can't help thinking if I was them I would have stuck 2 fingers up. SJW is a better man than me though and nice that he is now getting the respect he deserved.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 9, 2019 14:42:55 GMT
Some players you dont really miss or, fully appreciate until they are gone
I think Jon's Contribution to Stoke gives him something I do not readily bestow
i.e. he is a living Legend and his courage, drive. determination, honesty and forthrightness and humour, continues to this day.
And definitely one of those fellas you'd love to meet in a pub for a chat over old times football wise, for sure.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Sept 9, 2019 21:09:12 GMT
Yet was slated on here, booed, people said he was just a crap workhorse who just implemented Pulis anti-football and they wished him gone because we were better. We got what we wished for. Didn't turn out so well losing players of that level of ability, determination and attitude. Now it's Butland's turn. It's always been the same, Paul Richardson who scored the winner at NottsC, Paul Macguire's 4 goals against Wolves, many others branded the scapegoat at the time, in recent times Whelan, Cresswell, players that did their jobs yet slaughtered for doing so. I suppose on one hand they were well paid for doing so but I can't help thinking if I was them I would have stuck 2 fingers up. SJW is a better man than me though and nice that he is now getting the respect he deserved. Damn right. Walters did a great job for this club and got a shitload of abuse for it.
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