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Post by Ursemboy on Sept 5, 2019 13:07:30 GMT
Chris Hughton has gone on record to say he wants to manage in the Premier League again. There’s some on here who need to show some respect for Tony Pulis who got us in the Premier League and to an FA Cup Final. Just because he brought us success doesn't mean people have to like him. Like and respect have different meanings
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Post by serpico on Sept 5, 2019 13:11:03 GMT
If we cant get moyes or Hughton then I’d take Pulis back over someone like a monk or Adkins.
We may have to endure a season or two of crap but he would have us sniffing the top 6 before long I reckon.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 5, 2019 13:29:11 GMT
Just because he brought us success doesn't mean people have to like him. Like and respect have different meanings Respect and appreciate have different meanings too. I can't respect somebody I don't like however I can appreciate that he brought us some good times, doesn't mean I can't think hes a bit of a prick.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 5, 2019 13:29:19 GMT
Way too many people prepared to take back TP.
Right now the only thing I would remotely consider offering him would be a board position as an adviser as to football matters to a board of directors seemingly clueless in terms of strategy, planning and recruitment - a bit like how Rudgey operated. As manager? Never!
With Chapple coming in as head of recruitment, that would be two new people for the inexperienced Jones to lean on and from whom to obtain advice, and who can help in implementing a way forward.
Scholes has to go - not next week, next month or next year, but now! We should replace him with a CFO, who is chief bean counter, in charge of finances, but not as active as Scholes has been in football matters. Leave that to the football men.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 5, 2019 13:35:40 GMT
If I had a gun pointed at my head and told to choose either Pulis or Scholes,I think I might pick Scholes to stay. After all, he won't be the one putting you to sleep during games.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 5, 2019 13:35:45 GMT
If we cant get moyes or Hughton then I’d take Pulis back over someone like a monk or Adkins. We may have to endure a season or two of crap but he would have us sniffing the top 6 before long I reckon. Any particular monk? Or just someone religious who isn't Jones?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 13:41:48 GMT
If I had a gun pointed at my head and told to choose either Pulis or Scholes,I think I might pick Scholes to stay. After all, he won't be the one putting you to sleep during games. Thing is, can it really be any more boring than Rowettball or watching our own team pass the ball round their own half 2000 times a game whilst failing to defend or score? I'm not finding being absolutely shite particularly exciting...
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 5, 2019 13:42:28 GMT
The essential elements of the situation are clear, whatever the rumours and whatever the personal opinions of any of us. 1.Things are far from harmonious within the club due to internal politics and individual agendas. This might be reasonably expected as Peter started to take a step back from running things after so long as the club figurehead, and he left a form of vacuum as regards planning, control and good business practice. 2. Jones was clearly appointed as a new broom to bring drive and enthusiasm to the club and although he may have good intentions and ideas, he is still a young developing manager and he doesn't as yet have the experience and skill to effectively implement his theories, especially with regard to the big personalities in the team. He may come good in the long term but he seems to be struggling and out of his depth. 3. Whether the principles being applied now are Jones own, or echoes of the aspirations of the club hierarchy, or a marriage of both is unclear. However we have made a start in moving out underperforming, overpaid players, and we have to hope that the key to future improvements on the field lie in our youth policy. 4.Jones is already being undermined to some extent by the financial pressures to reduce the wage bill and he may have had to let players go out that he might prefer to keep and also recruit lesser players than he would wish for. 5. At this point we have to take a step back and deal in certainties, and the International break is an opportunity to do this. I think the family recognise that Peter wants to avoid seeing his legacy destroyed and are allowing him to step back into the lead role in controlling the club. I think that, whether for sentimental or rational reasons, he might want to rewind to a period when we were stable, relatively succesful, and regarded as a well run club. Tony Pulis was a hard man, and seemed to be most effective when operating on a restricted budget, and it is unlikely that he has lost his skills and edge, and may even of learnt from his mistakes. A new role at the club, even if it is on the board, now beckons, and he would be on hand to step in if a real crisis developed. Also if his return, as suggested, might be the end of Scholes, would that be a bad thing? Sort of killing two birds with one stone. To conclude I believe that Peter will take back control of the club. The club will not go the whole way towards sacking Jones as he deserves better, but I think that TP will be appointed to the board, to add a purely football brain to help inform planning and decision making, and to shake things up behind the scenes, at the same time giving a bit of a wake up call or added motivation to Jones. I think our next actions will be strong and decisive, and perhaps a little bit of a surprise to some, but equally the club will not let things slide further. That is why we will see more of Peter, and new plans and initiatives will soon be in place. A rational and well thought out post. My only alternative comment would be seeing PC return to be a more prominent and public face of the club again. If he did that would publicly undermine his son, I can’t see that happening. If any changes take place that would remove the current CEO from any “football” related issue I would energetically applaud the decision makers.
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Post by Ursemboy on Sept 5, 2019 13:43:57 GMT
Like and respect have different meanings Respect and appreciate have different meanings too. I can't respect somebody I don't like however I can appreciate that he brought us some good times, doesn't mean I can't think hes a bit of a prick. Glad you appreciate it, the initial conversation was about like and respect.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 5, 2019 13:45:36 GMT
Who gives a fuck if Hughton 'says he still wants to be a Premier League manager'? The bald truth is he isn't one and beggars can't be choosers. If a Premier League job does come up there's no guarantee he'd be in the mix anyway.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 5, 2019 13:51:43 GMT
If I had a gun pointed at my head and told to choose either Pulis or Scholes,I think I might pick Scholes to stay. After all, he won't be the one putting you to sleep during games. Thing is, can it really be any more boring than Rowettball or watching our own team pass the ball round their own half 2000 times a game whilst failing to defend or score? I'm not finding being absolutely shite particularly exciting... I don't want Jones or Pulis.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 13:53:15 GMT
Thing is, can it really be any more boring than Rowettball or watching our own team pass the ball round their own half 2000 times a game whilst failing to defend or score? I'm not finding being absolutely shite particularly exciting... I don't want Jones or Pulis. It wasn't a criticism. Just genuinely interested to know whether others would find it more boring but I've thought and thought and can't see how it could be worse than anything else we've seen in the last 3 years!
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 5, 2019 13:54:16 GMT
I am surprisingly indifferent as to who our Manager is as long as they are doing a good job and seem to know what they are about. At the moment there are too many improbables and uncertainties flying around.
At least with TP we know what we are going to get. Yes there are question marks as regards to his treatment and approach to the younger players and who he regards as being kiddies or not, and I would not like to see the development of Collins, Campbell and Edwards impeded, as we could expect might happen. Yes his teams can be difficult to watch at times, but so is what we are seeing at the moment. (I haven't brought myself to watch the "highlights" of the day on Quest at all yet this season).The whole dilemma of who is in charge rests on the two critical factors of stopping the slide towards a League 1 future, and making progress towards a brighter tomorrow.
At least if it was Pulis we could be reassured that he is well equiped to wheel and deal in the budget transfer market, especially in attracting effective loan players. Furthermore we would hopefully get fewer "oxygen thieves" and wasters and more players with the Stoke DNA. And most importantly we would get organization, starting with a strong and competent defence and move on from there. We might not like it but we know its true.
However for the moment I am happy to give Jones more time while the Coates family can sort out themselves and the perceived issues behind the scenes.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 5, 2019 13:55:04 GMT
Respect and appreciate have different meanings too. I can't respect somebody I don't like however I can appreciate that he brought us some good times, doesn't mean I can't think hes a bit of a prick. Glad you appreciate it, the initial conversation was about like and respect. I understand that. I was just trying to make a point that people do appreciate what he has done for us, but doesn't necessarily mean they have to like him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 5, 2019 13:55:36 GMT
I don't want Jones or Pulis. It wasn't a criticism. Just genuinely interested to know whether others would find it more boring but I've thought and thought and can't see how it could be worse than anything else we've seen in the last 3 years! It's about the infrastructure as well though. It's a move in the opposite direction from being the kind of exciting project other clubs at this level have embraced. It'd be nice to be in the zeitgeist and looking forward rather than being stuck looking backwards and kissing goodbye to even the few green shoots of progress we've got available to us.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 5, 2019 13:56:22 GMT
Then,why post the team on a message board? Exactly. We already have an official release of the team before the game, so why the need to HAVE to get in there first beforehand? Just ego, nothing else
Well this is a new one - as a fan if someone has insider information about our club, you'd rather *not know* about it. Ignorance is bliss I guess... Anyway you certainly seem to be doing your best to discourage anyone who does know anything from posting it for the rest of us, so cheers for that
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Post by serpico on Sept 5, 2019 13:57:02 GMT
We should act now because pretty soon other clubs will be managerless and the better out of work candidates will be hoovered up.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 5, 2019 13:59:37 GMT
It wasn't a criticism. Just genuinely interested to know whether others would find it more boring but I've thought and thought and can't see how it could be worse than anything else we've seen in the last 3 years! It's about the infrastructure as well though. It's a move in the opposite direction from being the kind of exciting project other clubs at this level have embraced. It'd be nice to be in the zeitgeist and looking forward rather than being stuck looking backwards and kissing goodbye to even the few green shoots of progress we've got available to us. And these are what exactly Rob ... ?
You must have a flippin' big magnifying glass to see 'em.
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Post by s7oke on Sept 5, 2019 14:04:57 GMT
Way too many people prepared to take back TP. Right now the only thing I would remotely consider offering him would be a board position as an adviser as to football matters to a board of directors seemingly clueless in terms of strategy, planning and recruitment - a bit like how Rudgey operated. As manager? Never! With Chapple coming in as head of recruitment, that would be two new people for the inexperienced Jones to lean on and from whom to obtain advice, and who can help in implementing a way forward. Scholes has to go - not next week, next month or next year, but now! We should replace him with a CFO, who is chief bean counter, in charge of finances, but not as active as Scholes has been in football matters. Leave that to the football men. This 100 percent 👍
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 5, 2019 14:09:30 GMT
It's about the infrastructure as well though. It's a move in the opposite direction from being the kind of exciting project other clubs at this level have embraced. It'd be nice to be in the zeitgeist and looking forward rather than being stuck looking backwards and kissing goodbye to even the few green shoots of progress we've got available to us. And these are what exactly Rob ... ?
You must have a flippin' big magnifying glass to see 'em.
The main ones relate to the academy and the youngsters we've got coming through RSB. Are you up for binning them (and it) off?
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Post by Ursemboy on Sept 5, 2019 14:11:02 GMT
Glad you appreciate it, the initial conversation was about like and respect. I understand that. I was just trying to make a point that people do appreciate what he has done for us, but doesn't necessarily mean they have to like him. Cheers, we agree in the end 😀
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Post by kustokie on Sept 5, 2019 14:15:32 GMT
IF it is true then it show how far removed from reality they have become. Who in their right mind thinks Hughton would come in as a director of football? Madness
Or that leaking team sheets would be a sensible thing to do given the chaos already surrounding the club.
Cracking "support" of a club that's already in the shit internally
But hey, as long as the OP gets a boner from all the attention, that's all that matters to him/her i guess.
"Internal wars? Fuck that, let's make them public just so i can seem ITK and have people jizzing over my every word"
Good on ya, Ange. About time someone grew a pair. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-coates-scholes-angela-smith-3283863
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 5, 2019 14:17:24 GMT
And these are what exactly Rob ... ?
You must have a flippin' big magnifying glass to see 'em.
The main ones relate to the academy and the youngsters we've got coming through RSB. Are you up for binning them (and it) off? Fair enough.
(Albeit, you did use the plural so yes, I'll give you that - but I'm struggling after that currently tbh.)
No. Not at all, far from it in fact.
And if that's code for do I want VT back ... ?
... never in a gazillion years, thank you very much.
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Post by philb on Sept 5, 2019 14:18:10 GMT
I am surprisingly indifferent as to who our Manager is as long as they are doing a good job and seem to know what they are about. At the moment there are too many improbables and uncertainties flying around. At least with TP we know what we are going to get. Yes there are question marks as regards to his treatment and approach to the younger players and who he regards as being kiddies or not, and I would not like to see the development of Collins, Campbell and Edwards impeded, as we could expect might happen. Yes his teams can be difficult to watch at times, but so is what we are seeing at the moment. (I haven't brought myself to watch the "highlights" of the day on Quest at all yet this season).The whole dilemma of who is in charge rests on the two critical factors of stopping the slide towards a League 1 future, and making progress towards a brighter tomorrow. At least if it was Pulis we could be reassured that he is well equiped to wheel and deal in the budget transfer market, especially in attracting effective loan players. Furthermore we would hopefully get fewer "oxygen thieves" and wasters and more players with the Stoke DNA. And most importantly we would get organization, starting with a strong and competent defence and move on from there. We might not like it but we know its true. However for the moment I am happy to give Jones more time while the Coates family can sort out themselves and the perceived issues behind the scenes. The worrying bit is your last paragraph. There’s been nothing for the last three years to show that behind the scenes is being sorted out by the clubs heiracy anytime soon. That’s the major worry for me.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 5, 2019 14:20:13 GMT
In my opinion, there will still be time for Nathan Jones to get it right.
He's trying to change a lot at once,has had some shocking luck and been beset by uncharacteristic individual errors. He can't have fluked what he achieved at Luton.
I believe it would be in the best interests of everybody connected with Stoke City for him to turn it around. The season's just begun and he deserves that chance.
No doubt that it's a shocking start and the whole group's confidence must be shot, but they are good players who must put the past behind them and start again against Bristol City.
A fit Nick Powell might be the boost we need.
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Post by philb on Sept 5, 2019 14:22:39 GMT
In my opinion, there will still be time for Nathan Jones to get it right. He's trying to change a lot at once,has had some shocking luck and been beset by uncharacteristic individual errors. He can't have fluked what he achieved at Luton. I believe it would be in the best interests of everybody connected with Stoke City for him to turn it around. The season's just begun and he deserves that chance. No doubt that it's a shocking start and the whole group's confidence must be shot, but they are good players who must put the past behind them and start again against Bristol City. A fit Nick Powell might be the boost we need. I admire your optimism mate but your last line is pushing it a bit 😉
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Post by salopian on Sept 5, 2019 14:25:37 GMT
How many would take Pulis back if it meant getting rid of Scholes? It's a yes from me, but ideally not in a total management role. Don't get me wrong when Pulis left the football was dreadful but he got us promoted and kept us there and into Europe ( even if his team selection was dreadful against Valencia!) and feel we would of got relegated within a season or two if we had kept him at the time. But Scholes ( in part might well be a finger puppet for the board) is nothing more then dreadful and full of bull ( bulk of transfers speak for themselves ) and for that alone I would take Pulis back initially if only to see the back of Scholes... and perhaps a bit of backbone to the team and club alike!
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Post by nott1 on Sept 5, 2019 14:29:41 GMT
What has happened to this club? 😡 Rowett followed by Jones = disaster!
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Post by salopian on Sept 5, 2019 14:30:24 GMT
IMO this is what will happen Peter will rightly take back control of the day to day running if the club, if Pulis comes back so be it, it’s a results based business and let’s face it Jones is an abysmal manager, his brand of football is non existent and a sheer pie in the sky stuff. It’s an horrendous situation we’ve created as how can you pass something to your son and watch him basically destroy everything without doing something that pleases everyone, you can’t. In conclusion I think the club will be stabilised then sold. Perhaps investing in another club?? It's going to take some stabilising before it's ready to be sold or someone considers to buy it! There is no limit yet to where we can sink until " big ball " decisions are made. As I thought when we got relegated, the team we had beginning of last season and certainly this... We ain't as good as some think we are... !
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 5, 2019 14:35:48 GMT
In my opinion, there will still be time for Nathan Jones to get it right. He's trying to change a lot at once,has had some shocking luck and been beset by uncharacteristic individual errors. He can't have fluked what he achieved at Luton. I believe it would be in the best interests of everybody connected with Stoke City for him to turn it around. The season's just begun and he deserves that chance. No doubt that it's a shocking start and the whole group's confidence must be shot, but they are good players who must put the past behind them and start again against Bristol City. A fit Nick Powell might be the boost we need. I admire your optimism mate but your last line is pushing it a bit 😉 Exactly. A 1 game in 6 is looking like it might be the expected season's average.
I've almost written him off as a potential saviour & am hoping / praying Duffy will click and live up to the Sheff U. hype.
But as it stands, any given player (except Clucas of course for some unfathomable reason) will only get a 1 in 4 or so game average this season due to his ridiculous sorting hat selection 'policy'.
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