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Post by musik on Sept 4, 2019 21:37:48 GMT
I'm an Economist, so I'm not a Physicist, ok.😃
But lately, at an age of +50 I've just started to enjoy reading Physics - both the Classic version and Quantum Physics.👍
Today I returned R Lanza & B Berman's book about "A living Universe - Beyond Biocentrism". As I understand it, biocentrism is a way to link together classic "ordinary" physics with quantum physics mixed with a theory that nothing exists without an observer.
The book had its pros and cons, I really enjoyed it. On the downside were a lack of knowledge regarding reasons for animal's behaviour and at times a too twisted way to explain some things. For example, they say something like 'if there was any pre-stadium to colours, light and 3D-depth in the world we see, it would only be empty, magnetic and electric fields, because that's what light really is' - as an explanation to why the world is only created in our brains and doesn't exist in itself. In my opinion, if so, they should mention it's about the interaction between the brain and the environment; the brain interprets what surrounds us. And that is also why we, for instance, see people differently. Because, if our environment only did exist in our brains, then it doesn't really exist, does it? And so doesn't me either - since I'm according to them just exist in some brain/s. How come, I can write this text then? So, Biocentrism on the edge must mean: nothing and noone exist. (unless somewhere observes it)
It reminds me of my old man who once asked me: "If you shout in the woods, but noone hears or sees, do you exist then?" "Of course I do", I said. "How can you be so sure about that?", he asked. But I've never doubted it. ---
Oh well, now on to my question.
Tonight I got a weird text message from a person I do respect and admire, and could be seen as intelligent as well.
***** He wrote: "You do know Quantum Physics was all wrong? They were into the wrong path. Totally!" (And thereby he means Quantum Physics in general. As a reply to one of my earlier messages.) *****
What?? What does he mean? Is he right?
So. Would it just be a waste of time if I borrowed and read about 10 books in Quantum Physics, totally 5000 pages? Is Quantum Physics really totally dead? When did THIS happen?
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2019 0:40:26 GMT
Aahhhh ... I see he sent me a link as well.
Thad Roberts "Visualizing Eleven dimensions" [TEDxBoulder]
Can't put in links on my mobile, but you could, if interested, write the name and title above, into the search field at YouTube to see it.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 5, 2019 8:12:41 GMT
I'm an Economist, so I'm not a Physicist, ok.😃 But lately, at age of +50 I've just started to enjoy reading Physics - both the Classic version and Quantum Physics.👍 Today I returned R Lanza & B Berman's book about "A living Universe - Beyond Biocentrism". As I understand it, biocentrism is a way to link together classic "ordinary" physics with quantum physics mixed with a theory that nothing exists without an observer. The book had its pros and cons, I really enjoyed it. On the downside were a lack of knowledge regarding reasons for animal's behaviour and at times a too twisted way to explain some things. For example, they say something like 'if there was any pre-stadium to colours, light and 3D-depth in the world we see, it would only be empty, magnetic and electric fields, because that's what light really is' - as an explanation to why the world is only created in our brains and doesn't exist in itself. In my opinion, if so, they should mention it's about the interaction between the brain and the environment; the brain interprets what surrounds us. And that is also why we, for instance, see people differently. Because, if our environment only did exist in our brains, then it doesn't really exist, does it? And so doesn't me either - since I'm according to them just exist in some brain/s. How come, I can write this text then? So, Biocentrism on the edge must mean: nothing and noone exist. (unless somewhere observes it) It reminds me of my old man who once asked me: "If you shout in the woods, but noone hears or sees, do you exist then?" "Of course I do", I said. "How can you be so sure about that?", he asked. But I've never doubted it. --- Oh well, now on to my question. Tonight I got a weird text message from a person I do respect and admire, and could be seen as intelligent as well. ***** He wrote: "You do know Quantum Physics was all wrong? They were into the wrong path. Totally!" (And thereby he means Quantum Physics in general. As a reply to one of my earlier messages.) ***** What?? What does he mean? Is he right? So. Would it just be a waste of time if I borrowed and read about 10 books in Quantum Physics, totally 5000 pages? Is Quantum Physics really totally dead? When did THIS happen? 🤓 Does Quantum Physics explain the 'diamond system', musik?
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2019 8:46:57 GMT
Does Quantum Physics explain the 'diamond system', musik? It might explain why Butland mixes world class saves with kicks so bad I wouldn't be able to copy them even if I've practised all my life. It might also explain why both Ince, Allen and Clucas above all, can be seen changing position constantly. Maybe they're trying to live up to the idea of a double nature, of being at two places at the same time or in our goalie's case transform into something else.
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Post by foster on Sept 5, 2019 10:39:55 GMT
Does Quantum Physics explain the 'diamond system', musik? It might explain why Butland mixes world class saves with kicks so bad I wouldn't be able to copy them even if I've practised all my life. It might also explain why both Ince, Allen and Clucas above all, can be seen changing position constantly. Maybe they're trying to live up to the idea of a double nature, of being at two places at the same time or in our goalie's case transform into something else. Yes, could be that the entire team are playing in a parallel universe vs opponents we can't see....and that Butland is in fact just a hologram.
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2019 15:19:18 GMT
He insists ... "the Quantum Physics is dead", he says ... "It was all a mistake" ...
🤔 To figure it out for myself I just ordered 4 books to the library.
In swedish, but someone might be available in English? If I translate the titles straight away:
1) "Physics. The Basics" by Lennart Grundvall & Anders Karlsson 2) "Repetition in Physics. Preparing for University" by George Adie, Lars Gislén, Thomas Wahnström 3) "Start with Quantum Physics" by Måns Henningson 4) "Quantum Physics in 30 seconds. The 50 most important definitions within Quantum Theory, each one explained in half a minute" Editor Brian Clegg, written by Philip Ball et al.
Any bells? Georgie Adie or Philip Ball, heard of them?
If this turns out to be fun enough, I'll continue with more advanced studies.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 5, 2019 16:13:01 GMT
He insists ... "the Quantum Physics is dead", he says ... "It was all a mistake" ... 🤔 To figure it out for myself I just ordered 4 books to the library. In swedish, but someone might be available in English? If I translate the titles straight away: 1) "Physics. The Basics" by Lennart Grundvall & Anders Karlsson 2) "Repetition in Physics. Preparing for University" by George Adie, Lars Gislén, Thomas Wahnström 3) "Start with Quantum Physics" by Måns Henningson 4) "Quantum Physics in 30 seconds. The 50 most important definitions within Quantum Theory, each one explained in half a minute" Editor Brian Clegg, written by Philip Ball et al. Any bells? Georgie Adie or Philip Ball, heard of them? If this turns out to be fun enough, I'll continue with more advanced studies. As far as I'm concerned QP was always just a theory and was never alive. Atoms are energy/frequency and so not divisible into a 'zoo' of quantum thingies. What that means for CERN and the thousands of other Atom smashers around the world I'm not sure. Interestingly the double helix of DNA has never been seen, it's all reconstructions/representations/computer graphics. So no, if I were you I wouldn't read five books on it unless you enjoy complicated fiction.
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2019 18:21:18 GMT
As far as I'm concerned QP was always just a theory and was never alive. Was? 🤔 Really confusing. As I understand it before the books have arrived, most research today takes place within the new Quantum Physics and not within old Classic Physics trying to develop those models and theories. And a lot of products and discoveries exist thanks to Quantum Theory: the laser, the transistor, MRI, a better understanding of photosynthesis etc., from what I've read so far. From Theory to Practice. I don't know ... Will return about this.
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Post by Boothen on Sept 5, 2019 18:22:59 GMT
In principle, I'm uncertain.
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2019 18:38:50 GMT
In principle, I'm uncertain. and Skeptical is my middle name
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2019 18:54:13 GMT
Does Quantum Physics explain the 'diamond system', musik? 😮 I just discovered a website called Physics world (yes, when I get into something I tend to be extremely focused). And so sorry I can't link from the phone. But at that site they have an article: "Quantum Mechanics / Research Update: Quantum Darwinism spotted in Diamond spins". Sep 2nd 2019 Conclusion: "Survival of the fittest: spins in diamond have been used to chart the transition between the quantum and classical worlds". I assume they mean: Play the ball faster! 😄 A bit frightening, isn't it?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 5, 2019 19:54:38 GMT
Does Quantum Physics explain the 'diamond system', musik? 😮 I just discovered a website called Physics world (yes, when I get into something I tend to be extremely focused). And so sorry I can't link from the phone. But at that site they have an article: "Quantum Mechanics / Research Update: Quantum Darwinism spotted in Diamond spins". Sep 2nd 2019 Conclusion: "Survival of the fittest: spins in diamond have been used to chart the transition between the quantum and classical worlds". I assume they mean: Play the ball faster! 😄 A bit frightening, isn't it? 'Survival of the fittest; spins in diamond have been used to chart the transition between the quantum and classical worlds" Author; N Jones 2017
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 5, 2019 21:03:48 GMT
As far as I'm concerned QP was always just a theory and was never alive. Was? 🤔 Really confusing. As I understand it before the books have arrived, most research today takes place within the new Quantum Physics and not within old Classic Physics trying to develop those models and theories. And a lot of products and discoveries exist thanks to Quantum Theory: the laser, the transistor, MRI, a better understanding of photosynthesis etc., from what I've read so far. From Theory to Practice. I don't know ... Will return about this. I'm convinced that matter comes from frequency, a vibration, an energy. The basis of it is a toroidal spin {sub crystalline}. A wave describes the 'energetic process in 2d, but it is a succession of toroids, with zero point {aether} at the anti-nodes {troughs}, induction/compression, field theory. Vortex maths. Photons, as in paricles of light as a theory doesn't hold water. Light does not have a speed, it never 'physically' leaves the confinement of a bulb. Similarly the atom is best described as energy, di-electrics and electro-magnetism. Attraction and repulsion as the forces of 'evolution'. Chuck a bit of Fibonnacci and 'sacred geometry' in as descriptive 'language' to represent the 'something from nothing', zero point etc. There is no room for a quantum zoo.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 5, 2019 21:53:50 GMT
Quantum Leap,now that takes me back.
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Post by musik on Sept 6, 2019 9:55:53 GMT
Light does not have a speed, it never 'physically' leaves the confinement of a bulb. So it doesn't travel. But isn't it true, when we see the sun we don't see it as it is now but how it was about 8 mins ago?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 6, 2019 10:38:56 GMT
Was? 🤔 Really confusing. As I understand it before the books have arrived, most research today takes place within the new Quantum Physics and not within old Classic Physics trying to develop those models and theories. And a lot of products and discoveries exist thanks to Quantum Theory: the laser, the transistor, MRI, a better understanding of photosynthesis etc., from what I've read so far. From Theory to Practice. I don't know ... Will return about this. I'm convinced that matter comes from frequency, a vibration, an energy. The basis of it is a toroidal spin {sub crystalline}. A wave describes the 'energetic process in 2d, but it is a succession of toroids, with zero point {aether} at the anti-nodes {troughs}, induction/compression, field theory. Vortex maths. Photons, as in paricles of light as a theory doesn't hold water. Light does not have a speed, it never 'physically' leaves the confinement of a bulb. Similarly the atom is best described as energy, di-electrics and electro-magnetism. Attraction and repulsion as the forces of 'evolution'. Chuck a bit of Fibonnacci and 'sacred geometry' in as descriptive 'language' to represent the 'something from nothing', zero point etc. There is no room for a quantum zoo. Exactly. Just what I thought cheese As Mark E Smith would say;
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Post by musik on Sept 6, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
I'm convinced that matter comes from frequency, a vibration, an energy. The basis of it is a toroidal spin {sub crystalline}. A wave describes the 'energetic process in 2d, but it is a succession of toroids, with zero point {aether} at the anti-nodes {troughs}, induction/compression, field theory. Vortex maths. Photons, as in paricles of light as a theory doesn't hold water. Light does not have a speed, it never 'physically' leaves the confinement of a bulb. Similarly the atom is best described as energy, di-electrics and electro-magnetism. Attraction and repulsion as the forces of 'evolution'. Chuck a bit of Fibonnacci and 'sacred geometry' in as descriptive 'language' to represent the 'something from nothing', zero point etc. There is no room for a quantum zoo. Exactly. Just what I thought cheese As Mark E Smith would say; Wiz and Cheese, does these combined thoughts have a name? A new Theory name?
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Sept 6, 2019 14:34:48 GMT
Quote from cheesefreesex "I'm convinced that matter comes from frequency, a vibration, an energy."
From a consideration of the dimensional analysis of the frequency , vibration and energy it can be shown that mass has dimensions equal to the dimensions of energy divided by the product of the dimension of frequency squared and the dimension of a vibration squared.
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Post by musik on Sept 6, 2019 17:03:23 GMT
A book in Quantum Physics arrived to the library today. Got it. I'll be back! 👍
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Post by felonious on Sept 6, 2019 17:55:35 GMT
Was? 🤔 Really confusing. As I understand it before the books have arrived, most research today takes place within the new Quantum Physics and not within old Classic Physics trying to develop those models and theories. And a lot of products and discoveries exist thanks to Quantum Theory: the laser, the transistor, MRI, a better understanding of photosynthesis etc., from what I've read so far. From Theory to Practice. I don't know ... Will return about this. I'm convinced that matter comes from frequency, a vibration, an energy. The basis of it is a toroidal spin {sub crystalline}. A wave describes the 'energetic process in 2d, but it is a succession of toroids, with zero point {aether} at the anti-nodes {troughs}, induction/compression, field theory. Vortex maths. Photons, as in paricles of light as a theory doesn't hold water. Light does not have a speed, it never 'physically' leaves the confinement of a bulb. Similarly the atom is best described as energy, di-electrics and electro-magnetism. Attraction and repulsion as the forces of 'evolution'. Chuck a bit of Fibonnacci and 'sacred geometry' in as descriptive 'language' to represent the 'something from nothing', zero point etc. There is no room for a quantum zoo. Who'd a thought a Stoke fan was capable of writing this clever stuff?
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Post by felonious on Sept 6, 2019 17:56:06 GMT
A book in Quantum Physics arrived to the library today. Got it. I'll be back! 👍 Take your time
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 8:22:56 GMT
I'm an Economist, so I'm not a Physicist, ok.😃 But lately, at an age of +50 I've just started to enjoy reading Physics - both the Classic version and Quantum Physics.👍 Today I returned R Lanza & B Berman's book about "A living Universe - Beyond Biocentrism". As I understand it, biocentrism is a way to link together classic "ordinary" physics with quantum physics mixed with a theory that nothing exists without an observer. The book had its pros and cons, I really enjoyed it. On the downside were a lack of knowledge regarding reasons for animal's behaviour and at times a too twisted way to explain some things. For example, they say something like 'if there was any pre-stadium to colours, light and 3D-depth in the world we see, it would only be empty, magnetic and electric fields, because that's what light really is' - as an explanation to why the world is only created in our brains and doesn't exist in itself. In my opinion, if so, they should mention it's about the interaction between the brain and the environment; the brain interprets what surrounds us. And that is also why we, for instance, see people differently. Because, if our environment only did exist in our brains, then it doesn't really exist, does it? And so doesn't me either - since I'm according to them just exist in some brain/s. How come, I can write this text then? So, Biocentrism on the edge must mean: nothing and noone exist. (unless somewhere observes it) It reminds me of my old man who once asked me: "If you shout in the woods, but noone hears or sees, do you exist then?" "Of course I do", I said. "How can you be so sure about that?", he asked. But I've never doubted it. --- Oh well, now on to my question. Tonight I got a weird text message from a person I do respect and admire, and could be seen as intelligent as well. ***** He wrote: "You do know Quantum Physics was all wrong? They were into the wrong path. Totally!" (And thereby he means Quantum Physics in general. As a reply to one of my earlier messages.) ***** What?? What does he mean? Is he right? So. Would it just be a waste of time if I borrowed and read about 10 books in Quantum Physics, totally 5000 pages? Is Quantum Physics really totally dead? When did THIS happen? 🤓 Musk - you will love The Perdix Project - Just to let everyone know that this is the last chance to get "The Perdix Project" for £1.99p. The special offer ends this weekend, and next week it goes back to £4.99p. "The Perdix Project" by Teddy Tunstall - a techno-thriller \ mystery thriller that has intriguing clues that are unlike the clues any other crime novel. The mystery is deep, the clues are cryptic and taxing, but not impossible to crack. As you follow the intricate thought processes of the detective duo, you will get enough pointers to give you a realistic chance of working it out before the end. To anyone who does work it out before all is explained – well done, and for all others – I'm sure you will find the explanation very satisfactory. No wishy-washy, vague explanations. It is all plausible, believable and grounded. For less than the price of a pint, you can enjoy a few hours engrossed in an intriguing mystery with mind-expanding, sci-fi thought experiments, good, solid detective work and an James Bond-style action packed ending. See the web page for a synopsis of the plot and click on the "Look inside" link to read all of chapter one, and a good bit of chapter two, free of charge - "The Perdix Project" by Teddy Tunstall www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SJNP9S4
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 8:28:50 GMT
I should have said - it took three years to write and that was because I spent many long hours researching quantum physics, astrophysics and other branches of science. I watched lectures by Professor Leonard Susskind of Stanford University, Professor Fay Dowker of Imperial College, Sean Carroll of CalTech and many others.
Most of the science in The Perdix Project is real. There is very little fictional science - just enough to make the plot work.
Best wishes, Teddy.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 7, 2019 8:32:47 GMT
He insists ... "the Quantum Physics is dead", he says ... "It was all a mistake" ... 🤔 To figure it out for myself I just ordered 4 books to the library. In swedish, but someone might be available in English? If I translate the titles straight away: 1) "Physics. The Basics" by Lennart Grundvall & Anders Karlsson 2) "Repetition in Physics. Preparing for University" by George Adie, Lars Gislén, Thomas Wahnström 3) "Start with Quantum Physics" by Måns Henningson 4) "Quantum Physics in 30 seconds. The 50 most important definitions within Quantum Theory, each one explained in half a minute" Editor Brian Clegg, written by Philip Ball et al. Any bells? Georgie Adie or Philip Ball, heard of them? If this turns out to be fun enough, I'll continue with more advanced studies. As far as I'm concerned QP was always just a theory and was never alive. Atoms are energy/frequency and so not divisible into a 'zoo' of quantum thingies. What that means for CERN and the thousands of other Atom smashers around the world I'm not sure. Interestingly the double helix of DNA has never been seen, it's all reconstructions/representations/computer graphics. So no, if I were you I wouldn't read five books on it unless you enjoy complicated fiction. I once saw a 🧬 in a “vision”, before I even knew what one was. Was quite a flashback when some years later I saw one the telly!
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 8:44:09 GMT
"unless you enjoy complicated fiction" - and The Perdix Project is great example of that.
Three years to write, loads of research, lots of pointers to subjects that every reader of this thread will find fascinating, lots of very imaginative original sci-fi thought experiments and lots of intriguing clues and good solid detective work in the hunt for the cause of the mystery.
Best wishes, Teddy.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 7, 2019 9:44:24 GMT
"unless you enjoy complicated fiction" - and The Perdix Project is great example of that. Three years to write, loads of research, lots of pointers to subjects that every reader of this thread will find fascinating, lots of very imaginative original sci-fi thought experiments and lots of intriguing clues and good solid detective work in the hunt for the cause of the mystery. Best wishes, Teddy. Art imitating life, imitating art...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 11:37:12 GMT
As far as I'm concerned QP was always just a theory and was never alive. Atoms are energy/frequency and so not divisible into a 'zoo' of quantum thingies. What that means for CERN and the thousands of other Atom smashers around the world I'm not sure. Interestingly the double helix of DNA has never been seen, it's all reconstructions/representations/computer graphics. So no, if I were you I wouldn't read five books on it unless you enjoy complicated fiction. I once saw a 🧬 in a “vision”, before I even knew what one was. Was quite a flashback when some years later I saw one the telly! Stay off the brown acid! I hope you are more discerning in your imbibation these days. Interestingly the double helix dna strand depiction is taken from the Caduceus, which has been the symbol for medico's for ages.
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 13:06:41 GMT
Have you followed the advances in quantum entanglement? When I first heard of it, I couldn't believe it was real and even Albert Einstein scoffed at it (he said he didn't believe in "spooky action at a distance"), but it must be real. The Chinese have built a global satellite communications sytem (called QUESS, see the links below) that uses quantum entanglement, so I presume it is real and if there is this mysterious force that connects particles, what else is there that we scoff at, but which might be real? QUESS comes under suspicion in "The Perdix Project" and there is more quantum theory in there. Just to let everyone know that this is the last chance to get "The Perdix Project" for £1.99p. The special offer ends this weekend, and next week it goes back to £4.99p. "The Perdix Project" by Teddy Tunstall - a techno-thriller \ mystery thriller that has intriguing clues that are unlike the clues any other crime novel. The mystery is deep, the clues are cryptic and taxing, but not impossible to crack. As you follow the intricate thought processes of the detective duo, you will get enough pointers to give you a realistic chance of working it out before the end. To anyone who does work it out before all is explained – well done, and for all others – I'm sure you will find the explanation very satisfactory. No wishy-washy, vague explanations. It is all plausible, believable and grounded. For less than the price of a pint, you can enjoy a few hours engrossed in an intriguing mystery with mind-expanding, sci-fi thought experiments, good, solid detective work and an James Bond-style action packed ending. See the web page for a synopsis of the plot and click on the "Look inside" link to read all of chapter one, and a good bit of chapter two, free of charge - "The Perdix Project" by Teddy Tunstall www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SJNP9S4" I added another to the quantum physyics thread - It took three years to write and that was because I spent many long hours researching quantum physics, astrophysics, dark matter, dark energy and other branches of science. I watched lectures by Professor Leonard Susskind of Stanford University, Professor Fay Dowker of Imperial College, Sean Carroll of CalTech and many others. Most of the science in The Perdix Project is real. There is very little fictional science - just enough to make the plot work. Best wishes, Teddy. "Chinese satellite is one giant step for the quantum internet" www.nature.com/news/chinese-satellite-is-one-giant-step-for-the-quantum-internet-1.20329"China's quantum communication satellite to extend working lifetime by two yrs" www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-02/15/c_137825303.htm
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 14:41:03 GMT
Light does not have a speed, it never 'physically' leaves the confinement of a bulb. So it doesn't travel. But isn't it true, when we see the sun we don't see it as it is now but how it was about 8 mins ago? No, the 8 mins thing isn't true, think about it. It's impossible to track something of supposedly that size {a photon} over 93 million miles, whilst everything is spiralling and spinning, it's nonsense. Check out 'Matter & Light' and the stuff on 'Magnetism explained' on the Theoria Apophasis channel {if you dare}. If you climb out of that rabbit hole then the LCKing channel's Galvanic Cell model is extremely interesting.
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Post by musik on Sept 7, 2019 15:08:48 GMT
So it doesn't travel. But isn't it true, when we see the sun we don't see it as it is now but how it was about 8 mins ago? No, the 8 mins thing isn't true, think about it. It's impossible to track something of supposedly that size {a photon} over 93 million miles, whilst everything is spiralling and spinning, it's nonsense. Check out 'Matter & Light' and the stuff on 'Magnetism explained' on the Theoria Apophasis channel {if you dare}. If you climb out of that rabbit hole then the LCKing channel's Galvanic Cell model is extremely interesting. Thanks! Much appreciated.
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