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Post by PotterLog on Sept 4, 2019 15:20:51 GMT
There's an argument to say that Bournemouth is part of what's wrong with modern football. No big fan base, no history. The "Premier League" sometimes throws up a fixture like Bournemouth v Brighton which makes a bit of a joke of the so-called best league in the world. It's absurd to say Bournemouth a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday. They have been a part of a football community for generations of families. If (please Lord) Manchester United were to be relegated, they would still be the biggest club in the country, at least in the medium term. Sheffield is one of those cities that has two clubs both capable of pulling 30,000 plus supporters into their grounds. Only London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Istanbul, Buenos Aries and possibly Madrid, maybe Milan, can boast that. "Possibly" Madrid??  |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 4, 2019 16:22:59 GMT
Wedenesday are twice as bigger club as Bournemouth. The fact a player would choose Bournemouth because they are in a higher league does not change that one bit. Likewise Leeds, Sunderlland etc Nonsense, Bournemouth are a bigger club than stoke, Sheffield wednesday or Sunderland at this point in time. We live in the present don't we? With respect that's bollocks. Being in the premier league does not make you a bigger club And Wednesday are a bigger club than us. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 4, 2019 16:32:43 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday is a similar size club to stoke, when people start googling population size of a city you know we have another pointless thread. But the population of stoke on trent and newcastle is well over 300,000 and Sheffield is 200k more approx. It is a bigger city! But the Sheffield clubs and stoke are all similar. Similar support although stoke have had better than both of them over the last decade. Similar years in total in the top flight, stoke are a couple of years behind Sheffield Wednesday and ahead of sheffield United. Outside of stoke, people would not say that any are bigger than the other, they all fall into a category of about 15 clubs at the bottom of the prem or in the champ who historically have spent over 50 seasons in the top flight. The problem with people in stoke is they like to think of their club as smaller underdogs. Not true though. Comparing size is an endless and ultimately subjective exercise. However, I think that Sheff Wed are a bigger club than us - against virtually every relevant measure. And I also think outside Stoke (and Sheffield) the overwhelming majority of people would agree with that. That is an opinion, of course. Not a fact. Yes it is subjective and I totally disagree with you. Stoke have just had a decade as a top flight club and have had better support than Wednesday. I asked 5 colleagues in my office in Glasgow earlier as a result of your post, two celtic and 3 rangers. They all said that despite everything at the moment that a prospective player, if choosing between stoke and Wednesday, with the same money offered, would still choose Stoke as we are more famous having just been in the premier league. Two of them went down to watch stoke vs man city when we won 1-0 in our first season in the prem. They went on a day trip because they heard about our atmosphere. They haven't been since but think our fans are the best in England! So we won that one as well. It's easy to do down our club right now, but from the outside looking in, the casual observer would assume that it is only a matter of time before we turn things around |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 4, 2019 16:34:02 GMT
Nonsense, Bournemouth are a bigger club than stoke, Sheffield wednesday or Sunderland at this point in time. We live in the present don't we? With respect that's bollocks. Being in the premier league does not make you a bigger club And Wednesday are a bigger club than us. All due respect but you are talking bollocks mate. We're the bigger club, in my opinion, subject tomy criteria of league status and support within the last 12 year period 😉!! |
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Post by march4 on Sept 4, 2019 16:39:38 GMT
Can only assume the capped one turned them down if certain media articles are to be believed. Lucky them! Even luckier us. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 4, 2019 16:40:40 GMT
I would look at history, trophies won, crowd sizes, fan base, stadia. Why only the last 12 years? The premier league is not the be all and end all
I would imagine, if you asked the question of neutral fans, 90% would consider Wednesday a bigger club than us.
Just my opinion mind!
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Post by march4 on Sept 4, 2019 16:44:57 GMT
Nonsense, Bournemouth are a bigger club than stoke, Sheffield wednesday or Sunderland at this point in time. We live in the present don't we? With respect that's bollocks. Being in the premier league does not make you a bigger club And Wednesday are a bigger club than us. Vale play at the Wembley of the North. Does that make them bigger than us. Queens Park play at Hampden in Scotland’s biggest City. Does that make them bigger? |
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 4, 2019 16:46:47 GMT
Off the subject but Sheff weds are actually much bigger than we are. They were once, now they are just another provincial club in the 2nd flight of English football sharing a small city not really large enough for 2 football league clubs. They are one place below us in the average league attendances table this season. They have more trophies in the cabinet but that no longer counts for anything. who decided past trophies don't count. I must have been napping for that one. Manchester United are going to be pissed that Manchester City has more Premier League trophies (the current one) than ManUre have! |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 4, 2019 16:47:19 GMT
There's an argument to say that Bournemouth is part of what's wrong with modern football. No big fan base, no history. The "Premier League" sometimes throws up a fixture like Bournemouth v Brighton which makes a bit of a joke of the so-called best league in the world. It's absurd to say Bournemouth a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday. They have been a part of a football community for generations of families. If (please Lord) Manchester United were to be relegated, they would still be the biggest club in the country, at least in the medium term. Sheffield is one of those cities that has two clubs both capable of pulling 30,000 plus supporters into their grounds. Only London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Istanbul, Buenos Aries and possibly Madrid, maybe Milan, can boast that. "Possibly" Madrid?? Ha,ha, I wasn't sure what kind of crowds Athletico attract now. I now they have grown as a club under Simeone, but wasn't sure if they were Espanyol to Barcelona. Note to self- do some research! The point is, Sheffield is a proper football city - one of only a handful of cities in world football that have those numbers of supporters across two rival teams. Both Sheffield clubs are bigger than Bournemouth, regardless of league position in my opinion. |
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 4, 2019 16:49:27 GMT
is Sheffield a small city? No I'm wrong about that, I just query if it can sustain 2 highly successful football league teams,but may be it can, Liverpool and Manchester do. So does Stoke! You're not discounting The Fail are you? |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 4, 2019 16:57:28 GMT
I would look at history, trophies won, crowd sizes, fan base, stadia. Why only the last 12 years? The premier league is not the be all and end all I would imagine, if you asked the question of neutral fans, 90% would consider Wednesday a bigger club than us. Just my opinion mind! It's not just your opinion. It's delusional to suggest otherwise. As delusional as suggesting Brighton are a bigger club than (for example) Forest. That new strain of polvo de mono must be really strong. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 4, 2019 17:14:01 GMT
"Possibly" Madrid?? Ha,ha, I wasn't sure what kind of crowds Athletico attract now. I now they have grown as a club under Simeone, but wasn't sure if they were Espanyol to Barcelona. Note to self- do some research! The point is, Sheffield is a proper football city - one of only a handful of cities in world football that have those numbers of supporters across two rival teams. Both Sheffield clubs are bigger than Bournemouth, regardless of league position in my opinion. Completely agree. Your list of cities is interesting though, but I'd say very undercooked and somewhat Brit-centric.. I think you're missing Rome, Lisbon, Moscow and maybe other Russian cities, several others in South America and probably some in Asia, where the standard is crap but there are shitloads of people... I suppose it depends what you mean by two clubs "capable" of attracting 30,000, but if I had to guess I doubt Sheffield would be in the top ten twenty. |
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Post by chad on Sept 4, 2019 17:14:24 GMT
Wish we’d have gone for this pair instead of Jones And if we had and it had gone tits up and if Jones had have carried on his work at Luton and being appointed Sheffield Wednesday manager you'd have wished we'd have gone for him... Yes probably |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 4, 2019 18:00:11 GMT
Ha,ha, I wasn't sure what kind of crowds Athletico attract now. I now they have grown as a club under Simeone, but wasn't sure if they were Espanyol to Barcelona. Note to self- do some research! The point is, Sheffield is a proper football city - one of only a handful of cities in world football that have those numbers of supporters across two rival teams. Both Sheffield clubs are bigger than Bournemouth, regardless of league position in my opinion. Completely agree. Your list of cities is interesting though, but I'd say very undercooked and somewhat Brit-centric.. I think you're missing Rome, Lisbon, Moscow and maybe other Russian cities, several others in South America and probably some in Asia, where the standard is crap but there are shitloads of people... I suppose it depends what you mean by two clubs "capable" of attracting 30,000, but if I had to guess I doubt Sheffield would be in the top ten twenty. Forgive me, as the poussiere de singe re-up is just kicking in, but I reckon you could add Turin, Hamburg, possibly Munich, maybe Cologne/Leverkusen. |
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Post by hogansgoals on Sept 4, 2019 18:43:28 GMT
There's an argument to say that Bournemouth is part of what's wrong with modern football. No big fan base, no history. The "Premier League" sometimes throws up a fixture like Bournemouth v Brighton which makes a bit of a joke of the so-called best league in the world. It's absurd to say Bournemouth a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday. They have been a part of a football community for generations of families. If (please Lord) Manchester United were to be relegated, they would still be the biggest club in the country, at least in the medium term. Sheffield is one of those cities that has two clubs both capable of pulling 30,000 plus supporters into their grounds. Only London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Istanbul, Buenos Aries and possibly Madrid, maybe Milan, can boast that. "Possibly" Madrid?? Birmingham is impressive three teams who knows how many in London? |
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Post by Gods on Sept 4, 2019 20:10:14 GMT
No I'm wrong about that, I just query if it can sustain 2 highly successful football league teams,but may be it can, Liverpool and Manchester do. So does Stoke! You're not discounting The Fail are you? Absolutely not! |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 5, 2019 0:54:06 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how he does in comparison to Jones. He can't possibly do worse. Not really. I don't want either. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 5, 2019 11:34:09 GMT
Ha,ha, I wasn't sure what kind of crowds Athletico attract now. I now they have grown as a club under Simeone, but wasn't sure if they were Espanyol to Barcelona. Note to self- do some research! The point is, Sheffield is a proper football city - one of only a handful of cities in world football that have those numbers of supporters across two rival teams. Both Sheffield clubs are bigger than Bournemouth, regardless of league position in my opinion. Completely agree. Your list of cities is interesting though, but I'd say very undercooked and somewhat Brit-centric.. I think you're missing Rome, Lisbon, Moscow and maybe other Russian cities, several others in South America and probably some in Asia, where the standard is crap but there are shitloads of people... I suppose it depends what you mean by two clubs "capable" of attracting 30,000, but if I had to guess I doubt Sheffield would be in the top ten twenty. Yes, I also agree. Thought about Rome and Lisbon. The Lazio/Roma derby is tasty on political grounds. Thought about Lisbon too. All historic clubs, but do they get big attendances? Must be a big Brazilian local derby too. A lot of the European cities are dominated by one much bigger club - Juve and Torino, Bayern and 1860 for example. Often the same throughout Germany. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 5, 2019 12:24:31 GMT
Completely agree. Your list of cities is interesting though, but I'd say very undercooked and somewhat Brit-centric.. I think you're missing Rome, Lisbon, Moscow and maybe other Russian cities, several others in South America and probably some in Asia, where the standard is crap but there are shitloads of people... I suppose it depends what you mean by two clubs "capable" of attracting 30,000, but if I had to guess I doubt Sheffield would be in the top ten twenty. Yes, I also agree. Thought about Rome and Lisbon. The Lazio/Roma derby is tasty on political grounds. Thought about Lisbon too. All historic clubs, but do they get big attendances? Must be a big Brazilian local derby too. A lot of the European cities are dominated by one much bigger club - Juve and Torino, Bayern and 1860 for example. Often the same throughout Germany. Flamengo-Fluminense (Rio) is huge. The thing about South American attendances is that they can really vary game to game. Teams can get 50k+ one week and then 11 the next. |
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Post by block23 on Sept 6, 2019 13:15:46 GMT
SSN says Monk to be appointed, what happened to Crowley?
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Post by Davef on Sept 6, 2019 14:37:12 GMT
Looks like Thomas Turgoose is getting the job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 15:30:45 GMT
There goes our cheap and cheerful replacement for Jones if he gets the boot.....
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 6, 2019 15:37:35 GMT
There goes our cheap and cheerful replacement for Jones if he gets the boot..... Win Percentage of 39% in 215 Prem and Championship games......Not bad at all!!! |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 6, 2019 15:45:18 GMT
SSN says Monk to be appointed, what happened to Crowley? Hes worshipping the devil !!  |
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Post by rawli on Sept 6, 2019 15:47:13 GMT
At least that slippery twat is out of the picture for us.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 6, 2019 16:34:23 GMT
SSN says Monk to be appointed, what happened to Crowley? errr he's jed! |
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Post by felonious on Sept 6, 2019 18:24:40 GMT
Looks like Thomas Turgoose is getting the job. Surely not Owen Jones? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:30:42 GMT
Looks like Thomas Turgoose is getting the job. He looks a bit "shady" there! |
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Post by hogansgoals on Sept 6, 2019 19:16:32 GMT
Garry monk in at Wednesday what happened to the Cowley brothers?
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 6, 2019 19:25:26 GMT
Garry monk in at Wednesday what happened to the Cowley brothers? Shown loyalty to Lincoln. They clearly enjoy it there and with some luck they could well be in the championship next season. |
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