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Post by Eggybread on Dec 3, 2019 9:51:01 GMT
I'm surprised by this. After all he's just lost one of his Jihadi friends. How depressing.Ridiculous post. Female leaver wtf
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2019 9:52:50 GMT
Johnson’s response is just macho posturing trying to show he is the Man. That sounds familiar...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 3, 2019 9:54:19 GMT
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 9:58:19 GMT
Boris derangement syndrome has fully set in with some people. They need to take a step back and wobble their heads, I’ve no problem with them disagreeing with Johnson but when all the anger is aimed at him and not the actual person who did the stabbing and the hateful agenda he was pushing, something is obviously amiss. It’s like the left wants to give Islamists a pass, remember the Manchester bombing ? They basically told us to move on, “don’t look back in anger” but Johnson tells a joke about a headscarf and he’s pushing an agenda of hate! Isn't it that it's a given that the terrorist was an absolute murderous wanker with backwards morals, whereas we have certain expectations of the British Prime Minister that we don't have about terrorists? Having said that, you're right that we should we remember that however bad this current lot of politicians are (and they are very bad) they are not evil. In that sense, the rhetoric could do with being knocked down a bit on all sides. What has Johnson done that’s so wrong here though ? Point out obviously flawed legislation enacted by the previous government and suggested how he would remedy it, or how he thinks it ought to be remedied. He’s the prime minister, people are expecting him to do something that reduces the chances of this happening again, he’s not using it to push hatred, is he ? Hatred would be saying “ok, let’s round all the Muslims up and get the trains rolling”
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 3, 2019 9:59:59 GMT
This extract from the article deserves highlighting In other words, if you think things are bad under the Tories, they will be worse under Labour (despite the pious posturing of their supporters). (it would be good to see the latest data but the point is nevertheless clear). Indeed no doubting some people have it tough as some always do but these stories of millions living in relative poverty, millions using food banks, austerity killing hundreds of thousands are clearly nonsense as every single one of these people have friends and relatives who would never be voting Tory if it was even a tenth true.
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Post by foster on Dec 3, 2019 10:01:41 GMT
Isn't it that it's a given that the terrorist was an absolute murderous wanker with backwards morals, whereas we have certain expectations of the British Prime Minister that we don't have about terrorists? Having said that, you're right that we should we remember that however bad this current lot of politicians are (and they are very bad) they are not evil. In that sense, the rhetoric could do with being knocked down a bit on all sides. What has Johnson done that’s so wrong here though ? Point out obviously flawed legislation enacted by the previous government and suggested how he would remedy it, or how he thinks it ought to be remedied. He’s the prime minister, people are expecting him to do something that reduces the chances of this happening again, he’s not using it to push hatred, is he ? Hatred would be saying “ok, let’s round all the Muslims up and get the trains rolling” So when something happened previously it was the fault of the previous government. When something happens now it's also the fault of the previous government. Blinkered.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 3, 2019 10:09:48 GMT
Facts. Both are correct. As is this. Before he made his public statement, his son was a 24 hour story. Now he has become a week long story. But I’d rather not dwell on the father’s comments directly. Regarding the substance of what both parties have to say on the man who killed those two youngsters, I’m behind Corbyn. Johnson’s response is just macho posturing trying to show he is the Man. What so often follows Johnson’s approach - as we have seen with Salmond and Blair in recent times - is poor legislation. What is needed is a sober reflection on what current provisions are and a careful judgement about whether new laws are needed or if better enforcement of existing legislation. Boris had already proposed in the queens speech that the minimum tariff for such cases should be 2/3s not 1/2 the sentence. Whether its poor legislation or not remains to be seen but clearly some people are beyond rehibilitation. If he had said nothing Labour would have been using the same attacks as they did on May, less police officers blah de blah even though one of the main contributory factors was Mayor Khan failing to put measures in place per a previous report making it harder to drive a car onto the pavement. There is also a conversation to be had that incredibly sad as his sons death was this does not make his lifes work of trying to rehabilitate everyone correct, some of these terrorists you really do just have to throw away the key, his sons misplaced faith could have cost alot of people their lives.
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 10:10:04 GMT
What has Johnson done that’s so wrong here though ? Point out obviously flawed legislation enacted by the previous government and suggested how he would remedy it, or how he thinks it ought to be remedied. He’s the prime minister, people are expecting him to do something that reduces the chances of this happening again, he’s not using it to push hatred, is he ? Hatred would be saying “ok, let’s round all the Muslims up and get the trains rolling” So when something happened previously it was the fault of the previous government. When something happens now it's also the fault of the previous government. Blinkered. He was released under 2008 labour legislation that meant he could apply for early release. Edit: it’s actually automatic early release, I believe.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 3, 2019 10:19:32 GMT
Yu only have to read about Johnson's run in with the secret barrister on this issue, where Johnson displayed, in the secret barrister's own words, levels of 'weapons grade shithousery'.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 3, 2019 10:20:15 GMT
So when something happened previously it was the fault of the previous government. When something happens now it's also the fault of the previous government. Blinkered. He was released under 2008 labour legislation that meant he could apply for early release. Edit: it’s actually automatic early release, I believe. He was eligible for release because the judge gave them an indeterminate sentence and not a determinate sentence.They appealed against this and won their appeal.The difference is an intermediate sentence means they cannot be released without a parole board review. .So they had their sentence reduced to a determinate sentence which meant they could be released earlier. So the courts could have prevented this .The power was there to keep him behind bars . Nothing to do with Labour.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 3, 2019 10:27:41 GMT
That is brilliant. Cruel. Unfair. But brilliant!
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Post by foster on Dec 3, 2019 10:30:20 GMT
He was released under 2008 labour legislation that meant he could apply for early release. Edit: it’s actually automatic early release, I believe. He was eligible for release because the judge gave them an indeterminate sentence and not a determinate sentence.The difference is an intermediate sentence means they cannot be released without a parole board review. They appealed against this and won their appeal.So they had their sentence reduced to a determinate sentence which meant they could be released earlier. So the courts could have prevented this .The power was there to keep him behind bars . Nothing to do with Labour. Tory boy view of the world Austerity (and everything related to it) = Labours fault Terrorism (and everything related to it) = Labour/EUs fault Immigration and Illegal Immigration = Labour/EUs fault Poverty and Child Poverty = Labours fault Fucked up Brexit = Labour/EUs fault Global Warming = Doesn't exist Doesn't really surprise me since Boris has never been held accountable or responsible for anything. He just blames everyone else. Leading by example it seems.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 3, 2019 10:31:49 GMT
Johnson’s response is just macho posturing trying to show he is the Man. That sounds familiar... And as I said - he ain’t the first. I think it’s fair to say though, that macho posturing isn’t a charge you could level against Jeremy Corbyn. John McDonnell on the other hand...
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 3, 2019 10:56:00 GMT
Holly and Pip savaging Jezza!
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 3, 2019 11:05:28 GMT
Holly and Pip savaging Jezza! At least he is on there.Not hiding away like a coward.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 3, 2019 13:14:21 GMT
Andy Mcdonald got torn to shreds by Jo Coburn on Politics Live.
Well worth a look, for anyone who is interested.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 3, 2019 13:16:23 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 3, 2019 14:12:58 GMT
I see the brave man has found time in his schedule to do This Morning but still not got a slot for Neil
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2019 14:34:45 GMT
I see the brave man has found time in his schedule to do This Morning but still not got a slot for Neil If Holly needs idiots for her show, I’m available💋💄🍒🕹
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Post by yeokel on Dec 3, 2019 14:38:46 GMT
I see the brave man has found time in his schedule to do This Morning but still not got a slot for Neil If she needed someone to fill a slot for her, I'd be happy to pop along and help her out.
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 14:40:08 GMT
I see the brave man has found time in his schedule to do This Morning but still not got a slot for Neil Haven’t seen it but Apparently schofield succeeded where andrew Neil failed and got Corbyn to apologise over the anti semitism stuff. Johnson should do the andrew Neil show but I don’t blame him for avoiding it, from his perspective there’s nothing to gain from it. I’d like to see it though.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 3, 2019 14:40:37 GMT
I'm surprised by this. After all he's just lost one of his Jihadi friends. How depressing.Ridiculous post. Female leaver wtf Was he just 'unlucky' when the photo was taken?? What's funny about 'female leaver'?
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 14:46:17 GMT
Does Corbyn remind anyone else of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly and Harold shipman ?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 3, 2019 14:56:40 GMT
How depressing.Ridiculous post. Female leaver wtf Was he just 'unlucky' when the photo was taken?? What's funny about 'female leaver'? Shouldnt you be asking whats so special about it that it has to be mentioned. Funerals are personal and there are not any rules how to behave or mourn. Thats why its pathetic.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 3, 2019 14:59:55 GMT
Haven’t seen it but Apparently schofield succeeded where andrew Neil failed and got Corbyn to apologise over the anti semitism stuff.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 3, 2019 15:01:31 GMT
I see the brave man has found time in his schedule to do This Morning but still not got a slot for Neil Haven’t seen it but Apparently schofield succeeded where andrew Neil failed and got Corbyn to apologise over the anti semitism stuff. Johnson should do the andrew Neil show but I don’t blame him for avoiding it, from his perspective there’s nothing to gain from it. I’d like to see it though. This is getting so boring now.How many times does he have to appologise. Corbyn apologises again.Date 08/2018 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647The right wing are getting extremely desperate to keep on rolling this out.Come on 12/12/2019
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 15:33:17 GMT
Haven’t seen it but Apparently schofield succeeded where andrew Neil failed and got Corbyn to apologise over the anti semitism stuff. Johnson should do the andrew Neil show but I don’t blame him for avoiding it, from his perspective there’s nothing to gain from it. I’d like to see it though. This is getting so boring now.How many times does he have to appologise. Corbyn apologises again.Date 08/2018 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647The right wing are getting extremely desperate to keep on rolling this out.Come on 12/12/2019 Not sure Phillip schofield is right wing ? I think it’s just him attempting to put his “serious journalist” hat on.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 3, 2019 15:35:43 GMT
This is getting so boring now.How many times does he have to appologise. Corbyn apologises again.Date 08/2018 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45077647The right wing are getting extremely desperate to keep on rolling this out.Come on 12/12/2019 Not sure Phillip schofield is right wing ? I think it’s just him attempting to put his “serious journalist” hat on. Webuyanycar.com
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Post by stillgame4it on Dec 3, 2019 15:35:51 GMT
Does Corbyn remind anyone else of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly and Harold shipman ? Not yet
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Post by algor on Dec 3, 2019 16:40:54 GMT
Does Corbyn remind anyone else of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly and Harold shipman ? Not yet More of a Steptoe, You Dirty old man!
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