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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 20:40:03 GMT
Absolutely desperate for a win on Saturday. If we lose then the board are in a terrible situation (albeit one completely of their own making spanning seasons). Every passing week and defeat is putting us more into the hands of the toxic one, and that would be devastating. God will need to help him on Saturday if we lose. Been in toxic atmospheres but I really do think that if we start to lose the crowd will be on his back and he'll be lucky to survive. The board will yet again be forced into a decision I feel if we get beat, feel a rowettesque kind if match coming. I think people are too sick of it all to care. I don’t think it will turn as ugly as the Rowett days. I think people will just leave.
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Post by robrigo on Sept 9, 2019 20:52:17 GMT
Massive game coming up. I honestly believe he will still be here though even if we lose. However, if his record continues in this vein, then surely the board will have to act soon. We are in a right old predicament aren’t we?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 9, 2019 21:06:06 GMT
Nah we lose Saturday he’ll be gone.
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Post by march4 on Sept 9, 2019 21:33:44 GMT
Interesting comments from Baron Denis of Meir in the Sentinel.
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Post by serpico on Sept 9, 2019 21:59:18 GMT
Nah we lose Saturday he’ll be gone. I’m not so sure. Seems unlikely they’d waste this two week break just to allow him one more game ? I think they might give him a few more games yet, although a heavy defeat would probably see him off.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 9, 2019 22:30:27 GMT
Nah we lose Saturday he’ll be gone. I’m not so sure. Seems unlikely they’d waste this two week break just to allow him one more game ? I think they might give him a few more games yet, although a heavy defeat would probably see him off. What makes you think they have wasted the two week break?? For all we know they could well have been discussing potential replacements and even have somebody lined up waiting in the wings to step in. If we lose saturday I think the trigger could be pulled especially if teams around us pick up points and Huddersfield get a new manager bounce we could find ourselves further adrift.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 10, 2019 6:36:31 GMT
I'm hoping for a watershed moment Saturday:
either we win and/or play much better and far more convincingly or it's the end of Jones's tenure
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 10, 2019 7:01:41 GMT
Hopefully Frank butchers assessment above is spot on, I guess if the club appoint his man(Phil Chapple) as head of recruitment we know he is here for the long haul.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Sept 10, 2019 7:18:07 GMT
Wasn't it the Bristol City game last year when the crowd really turned on Rowett? There was no back for him after that. Repeat this weekend?
That really was an appalling performance.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Sept 10, 2019 7:23:57 GMT
Surely it will be curtains for Jones if we lose at home to Bristol City with yet another clueless and abject performance?.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 10, 2019 7:25:49 GMT
Wasn't it the Bristol City game last year when the crowd really turned on Rowett? There was no back for him after that. Repeat this weekend? That really was an appalling performance. The knives were already out for him by then we had previously played Bolton a couple of days prior when we drew 0-0 and he had a dig at the fans the Bristol City game was the final nail in the coffin. It's ironic how the Bristol City game this time around could spell the end of jones also.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 10, 2019 7:45:40 GMT
Hopefully Frank butchers assessment above is spot on, I guess if the club appoint his man(Phil Chapple) as head of recruitment we know he is here for the long haul. I can't imagine they haven't at the very least discussed a contingency plan during the international break if the worst case scenario was to happen. With Nixon claiming pulis was offered the sheff Wednesday job and he turned it down suggests he could well be lined up by Coates to come back here this has got a TP third spell written all over it that's just my opinion of course and I could be totally wrong.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 10, 2019 8:16:47 GMT
Hopefully Frank butchers assessment above is spot on, I guess if the club appoint his man(Phil Chapple) as head of recruitment we know he is here for the long haul. Yeah, Chapple being a Jones choice for DoF, you'd think he'd be in by now. Whether they're hanging fire on him incase we lose the Bristol match, who knows.
Assuming they do bring him in though then you have to think it's going to be the long haul this season with Jones. No point bringing in a DoF of his choice and then saying 'Nice one Jones, here's your P45 now fuck off.'
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2019 8:31:20 GMT
Hopefully Frank butchers assessment above is spot on, I guess if the club appoint his man(Phil Chapple) as head of recruitment we know he is here for the long haul. Yeah, Chapple being a Jones choice for DoF, you'd think he'd be in by now. Whether they're hanging fire on him incase we lose the Bristol match, who knows.
Assuming they do bring him in though then you have to think it's going to be the long haul this season with Jones. No point bringing in a DoF of his choice and then saying 'Nice one Jones, here's your P45 now fuck off.'
www.stokecityfc.com/news/technical-director-to-depart/Carto's leaving this Friday (13th!) It'll be interesting to see how soon Chapple is announced - if he is!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2019 8:34:16 GMT
God will need to help him on Saturday if we lose. Been in toxic atmospheres but I really do think that if we start to lose the crowd will be on his back and he'll be lucky to survive. The board will yet again be forced into a decision I feel if we get beat, feel a rowettesque kind if match coming. I think people are too sick of it all to care. I don’t think it will turn as ugly as the Rowett days. I think people will just leave. Yes, there's a lot of apathy around the club at the minute. I don't think people will call for Jones head in the same way they did with Rowett. I also think the more pragmatic supporters realise that Jones departure isn't as imminent as some would think.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2019 8:36:41 GMT
I think people are too sick of it all to care. I don’t think it will turn as ugly as the Rowett days. I think people will just leave. Yes, there's a lot of apathy around the club at the minute. I don't think people will call for Jones head in the same way they did with Rowett. I also think the more pragmatic supporters realise that Jones departure isn't as imminent as some would think. He won’t survive if we get beat in the next 2 games(not a chance)
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 10, 2019 8:40:02 GMT
Yeah, Chapple being a Jones choice for DoF, you'd think he'd be in by now. Whether they're hanging fire on him incase we lose the Bristol match, who knows.
Assuming they do bring him in though then you have to think it's going to be the long haul this season with Jones. No point bringing in a DoF of his choice and then saying 'Nice one Jones, here's your P45 now fuck off.'
www.stokecityfc.com/news/technical-director-to-depart/Carto's leaving this Friday (13th!) It'll be interesting to see how soon Chapple is announced - if he is! Unlucky number 13, that isn't good!
It's worth keeping an eye on. Could be a same day announcement sort of thing potentially then. If he's not in on Friday, then Jones could do with a win on Saturday!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2019 8:41:53 GMT
Yes, there's a lot of apathy around the club at the minute. I don't think people will call for Jones head in the same way they did with Rowett. I also think the more pragmatic supporters realise that Jones departure isn't as imminent as some would think. He won’t survive if we get beat in the next 2 games(not a chance) What happens if we draw and then get beat?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2019 8:43:33 GMT
He won’t survive if we get beat in the next 2 games(not a chance) What happens if we draw and then get beat? In my opinion he’ll be gone,that would be 2 points out of 24🤔
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2019 8:47:31 GMT
What happens if we draw and then get beat? In my opinion he’ll be gone,that would be 2 points out of 24🤔 Fancy a wager? I've already got one going with Glasgowstokie that's due to be paid on Sat?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2019 8:49:36 GMT
In my opinion he’ll be gone,that would be 2 points out of 24🤔 Fancy a wager? I've already got one going with Glasgowstokie that's due to be paid on Sat? So you think he can survive either 2 defeats or 1draw and a defeat🤔What gives you such confidence?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2019 8:54:30 GMT
Fancy a wager? I've already got one going with Glasgowstokie that's due to be paid on Sat? So you think he can survive either 2 defeats or 1draw and a defeat🤔What gives you such confidence? I don't think he'll lose the next 2 but even if he did I don't think he'll be fired. If we're looking like it's likely we could go down in a month's time then things will change. This is a long term project, the board will only fire him as a very last resort. There's only been a few games played this season and after having 4 managers in just over 18 months I think he'll get a lot more time than if he was say the 2nd manager in 18 months.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 10, 2019 9:03:23 GMT
So you think he can survive either 2 defeats or 1draw and a defeat🤔What gives you such confidence? I don't think he'll lose the next 2 but even if he did I don't think he'll be fired. If we're looking like it's likely we could go down in a month's time then things will change. This is a long term project, the board will only fire him as a very last resort. There's only been a few games played this season and after having 4 managers in just over 18 months I think he'll get a lot more time than if he was say the 2nd manager in 18 months. That's exactly how I read it. I think they will have to stick with him until it looks like we would be relegated if we didn't make the change. No way we are at that point yet. 6 games in with a new squad. Still early doors in terms of "the project". He's due a bit of luck and after this bumpy start he might still turn it around. Let's hope so.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2019 9:07:29 GMT
I don't think he'll lose the next 2 but even if he did I don't think he'll be fired. If we're looking like it's likely we could go down in a month's time then things will change. This is a long term project, the board will only fire him as a very last resort. There's only been a few games played this season and after having 4 managers in just over 18 months I think he'll get a lot more time than if he was say the 2nd manager in 18 months. That's exactly how I read it. I think they will have to stick with him until it looks like we would be relegated if we didn't make the change. No way we are at that point yet. 6 games in with a new squad. Still early doors in terms of "the project". He's due a bit of luck and after this bumpy start he might still turn it around. Let's hope so. Trouble is if Hughton goes elsewhere and we decide in a couple of months to sack Jones they'll be no decent candidate available. It's a risky strategy.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Sept 10, 2019 9:12:53 GMT
Hughton wouldn’t be interested anyway, not a chance
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 10, 2019 9:14:04 GMT
So you think he can survive either 2 defeats or 1draw and a defeat🤔What gives you such confidence? I don't think he'll lose the next 2 but even if he did I don't think he'll be fired. If we're looking like it's likely we could go down in a month's time then things will change. This is a long term project, the board will only fire him as a very last resort. There's only been a few games played this season and after having 4 managers in just over 18 months I think he'll get a lot more time than if he was say the 2nd manager in 18 months. Is it really 4 managers in 18 months? You can't count Hughes, his 5 season stint came to an end. Was Lambert considered a long term manager? Or a stop gap caretaker? Rowett yes sacked early Jones still employed To me that's 1 premature sacking possibly 2 with Jones. It only really looks a mess during last season regarding managers
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 10, 2019 9:17:19 GMT
Personally, I would rather give Jones more time to get his brand of swashbuckling football to work.
Definitely more interesting than the uber-pragmatic, defensive Hughton. I'd rather have Tony's blood and thunder than that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 9:24:05 GMT
I don't think he'll lose the next 2 but even if he did I don't think he'll be fired. If we're looking like it's likely we could go down in a month's time then things will change. This is a long term project, the board will only fire him as a very last resort. There's only been a few games played this season and after having 4 managers in just over 18 months I think he'll get a lot more time than if he was say the 2nd manager in 18 months. Is it really 4 managers in 18 months? You can't count Hughes, his 5 season stint came to an end. Was Lambert considered a long term manager? Or a stop gap caretaker? Rowett yes sacked early Jones still employed To me that's 1 premature sacking possibly 2 with Jones. It only really looks a mess during last season regarding managers The only manager you could make a case for being sacked prematurely was Lambert. Hughes was too late, Rowett should have kept his mouth shut and might have held on but it was entirely his own fault after being given the biggest budget in the championship and Jones well the results speak for themselves. What other club has tolerated such a ridiculously poor run?
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 10, 2019 9:33:39 GMT
That's exactly how I read it. I think they will have to stick with him until it looks like we would be relegated if we didn't make the change. No way we are at that point yet. 6 games in with a new squad. Still early doors in terms of "the project". He's due a bit of luck and after this bumpy start he might still turn it around. Let's hope so. Trouble is if Hughton goes elsewhere and we decide in a couple of months to sack Jones they'll be no decent candidate available. It's a risky strategy. I agree its risky we are effectively 4 points adrift already I think Coates will judge it on a game by game basis that would be the sensible thing to do for me if we go further adrift over the next couple of weeks 7+ points it'll become very hard to claw that back then we'll be in Ipswich territory.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 10, 2019 9:34:40 GMT
Is it really 4 managers in 18 months? You can't count Hughes, his 5 season stint came to an end. Was Lambert considered a long term manager? Or a stop gap caretaker? Rowett yes sacked early Jones still employed To me that's 1 premature sacking possibly 2 with Jones. It only really looks a mess during last season regarding managers The only manager you could make a case for being sacked prematurely was Lambert. Hughes was too late, Rowett should have kept his mouth shut and might have held on but it was entirely his own fault after being given the biggest budget in the championship and Jones well the results speak for themselves. What other club has tolerated such a ridiculously poor run? I'm not questioning the rights and wrongs of the sackings, just the quoted figure of 4 in 18 months. In the last 15 years we've had 4 full time managers and 2 caretakers, now that's not a bad record at all. Like I say only last season was a blip on the record.
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