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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2019 15:58:44 GMT
Ok, fiver says he'll be gone before the n next game Deal
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 1, 2019 16:01:05 GMT
I think he's safe for a couple more games yet.
Players need to help him out a but now, especially if they're having team meetings to talk about things without him.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 1, 2019 16:02:54 GMT
Nope, perhaps they have strapped themselves in for the “project” for good or bad. This is such a shitty situation as we are spiralling downwards and difficult to know what the best of a horrible set of choices to make- trust in Jones through thick and thin to sort this and build some continuity or get back on the sacking merry go round and risk actually setting us back further in the long term (reputation as a sacking club, even more deadwood as a new manager brings in his own players where possible). Bad bad times Spot on. Sacking the manager isn't the obvious solution many on here seem to think. The thing we need is some stability - but if Jones doesn't deliver pretty quickly that option goes out the window - and any incoming manager has to contend with exactly the same set of problems with the same set of player and no preseason to bed in his approach. That is not a recipe for success. The irony is that the one manager to at least stop the rot was Rowett - and he was hounded out by the fans for not being likeable enough. In a sense we've got what we've deserved.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2019 16:02:57 GMT
It is hard to say - but got a feeling they'll sack him tomorrow
If he survives tomorrow, he'll probably survive the international break.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 1, 2019 16:05:15 GMT
It is hard to say - but got a feeling they'll sack him tomorrow Any inside knowledge on that one FM?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 1, 2019 16:06:15 GMT
It is hard to say - but got a feeling they'll sack him tomorrow There is no way he can survive, this is our worst start to a season. We are already in danger of being cut adrift. The board won't care about people thinking they are trigger happy, any other club in our situation would do the same thing
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Post by serpico on Sept 1, 2019 16:07:37 GMT
The two week break presents the ideal time to do it, why wait any longer and have us go rudderless for a number of games ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2019 16:10:03 GMT
It is hard to say - but got a feeling they'll sack him tomorrow Any inside knowledge on that one FM? No, unfortunately not. I'm about as In-The-Don't-Know as you can get!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 16:14:22 GMT
It is hard to say - but got a feeling they'll sack him tomorrow There is no way he can survive, this is our worst start to a season. We are already in danger of being cut adrift. The board won't care about people thinking they are trigger happy, any other club in our situation would do the same thing I agree, but there is a problem ......
Many on here believed that sorting our mess out would take three or four years (clearing players out etc). If the board also held that opinion, then maybe Jones has been appointed on the basis that he gets three years, and then a review of the situation. Maybe the board accepted another relegation as inevitable.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 1, 2019 16:24:50 GMT
He did, but it seems like he also signed a lot of players that Hughton wasn't really up for playing... Yeah, that's true. Seems like Hughton wasn't really a fan of many of the European players that the club (with Chapple playing his part down the food chain) had moneyballed up for him? Hard to know what their personal relationship was (if they had one) - but when you think about it, that's not a great starting point. Not having a pop at you but where has the obsession on here with Hughton come from? He's a nice bloke who's been badly treated at other clubs but in all honesty he's bang average manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 16:26:49 GMT
There is no way he can survive, this is our worst start to a season. We are already in danger of being cut adrift. The board won't care about people thinking they are trigger happy, any other club in our situation would do the same thing I agree, but there is a problem ......
Many on here believed that sorting our mess out would take three or four years (clearing players out etc). If the board also held that opinion, then maybe Jones has been appointed on the basis that he gets three years, and then a review of the situation. Maybe the board accepted another relegation as inevitable.
I don’t believe the Coates family would ever have contemplated another relegation. It was all well and good looking at the long term but I don’t think anyone would have imagined he would make us this bad.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 1, 2019 16:30:18 GMT
I'd be surprised if there hasn't been a discreet phone call or six!
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Post by wingy11 on Sept 1, 2019 16:33:46 GMT
There is no way he can survive, this is our worst start to a season. We are already in danger of being cut adrift. The board won't care about people thinking they are trigger happy, any other club in our situation would do the same thing I agree, but there is a problem ...... Many on here believed that sorting our mess out would take three or four years (clearing players out etc). If the board also held that opinion, then maybe Jones has been appointed on the basis that he gets three years, and then a review of the situation. Maybe the board accepted another relegation as inevitable.
The objective at the start of the season was promotion, by all parts the board the manager and players, the shit people come out with is unreal, accept another relegation what world are people on
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 16:36:30 GMT
I agree, but there is a problem ...... Many on here believed that sorting our mess out would take three or four years (clearing players out etc). If the board also held that opinion, then maybe Jones has been appointed on the basis that he gets three years, and then a review of the situation. Maybe the board accepted another relegation as inevitable.
The objective at the start of the season was promotion, by all parts the board the manager and players, the shit people come out with is unreal, accept another relegation what world are people on The absolutely nothing at all would surprise me now, world.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 1, 2019 16:39:56 GMT
There is zero chance Jones will be in charge for the next game. Zero Balls on the line there fella, where's your info come from becuase I respectfully disagree.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2019 16:42:08 GMT
Yeah, that's true. Seems like Hughton wasn't really a fan of many of the European players that the club (with Chapple playing his part down the food chain) had moneyballed up for him? Hard to know what their personal relationship was (if they had one) - but when you think about it, that's not a great starting point. Not having a pop at you but where has the obsession on here with Hughton come from? He's a nice bloke who's been badly treated at other clubs but in all honesty he's bang average manager. He's no Guardiola... But the headline achievements of his career are very decent, aren't they? Championship and 100 points with Newcastle. Sacked half way through the following season with them in 12th in the Premier League 4th in the Championship with Birmingham the next season Then an 11th place in the Prem with Norwich - and kept them up again the following season. And then 3rd place - followed by runners-up and 90-odd points with Brighton - then 2 seasons of Premier survival. I know things ended badly there, they spent a lot (not always on player he wanted) and his football got roundly criticised. But is there anyone better out there? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-hughton/leistungsdatenLigenNational/trainer/2654
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 1, 2019 16:42:44 GMT
I think he’s safe until Oct. hopefully he’ll Go this week though
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Post by wherty on Sept 1, 2019 16:45:05 GMT
The reason nothing is being written is simply because there is nothing to be written about. If they are holding talks about NJ's position then they are not gonna call the press and tell them about it.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 1, 2019 16:45:58 GMT
Yeah, that's true. Seems like Hughton wasn't really a fan of many of the European players that the club (with Chapple playing his part down the food chain) had moneyballed up for him? Hard to know what their personal relationship was (if they had one) - but when you think about it, that's not a great starting point. Not having a pop at you but where has the obsession on here with Hughton come from? He's a nice bloke who's been badly treated at other clubs but in all honesty he's bang average manager. I agree he is bang avarage. But he would be a massive upgrade on what we have had since LMH left.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2019 16:54:30 GMT
Not having a pop at you but where has the obsession on here with Hughton come from? He's a nice bloke who's been badly treated at other clubs but in all honesty he's bang average manager. He's no Guardiola... But the headline achievements of his career are very decent, aren't they? Championship and 100 points with Newcastle. Sacked half way through the following season with them in 12th in the Premier League 4th in the Championship with Birmingham the next season Then an 11th place in the Prem with Norwich - and kept them up again the following season. And then 3rd place - followed by runners-up and 90-odd points with Brighton - then 2 seasons of Premier survival. I know things ended badly there, they spent a lot (not always on player he wanted) and his football got roundly criticised. But is there anyone better out there? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-hughton/leistungsdatenLigenNational/trainer/2654Impressive stats aren't they. I'm guessing the people who don't want him haven't looked at those stats.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2019 16:59:03 GMT
He's no Guardiola... But the headline achievements of his career are very decent, aren't they? Championship and 100 points with Newcastle. Sacked half way through the following season with them in 12th in the Premier League 4th in the Championship with Birmingham the next season Then an 11th place in the Prem with Norwich - and kept them up again the following season. And then 3rd place - followed by runners-up and 90-odd points with Brighton - then 2 seasons of Premier survival. I know things ended badly there, they spent a lot (not always on player he wanted) and his football got roundly criticised. But is there anyone better out there? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-hughton/leistungsdatenLigenNational/trainer/2654Impressive stats aren't they. I'm guessing the people who don't want him haven't looked at those stats. I'd completely forgotten that 4th place he got with Birmingham in 2012. That was a fantastic achievement given all the financial stuff they were dealing with 09/10 Newcastle 1st in Championship 102 pts 10/11Newcastle Sacked with them in 12th in Prem 11/12 Birmingham 4th in Championship (lost in play-offs) 12/13 Norwich 11th in Prem 13/14 Norwich Sacked after 33 games with Norwich in 17th in Prem 14/15 Brighton Kept them in Championship, in 20th, after taking over with them in the relegation zone in December 15/16 3rd in Championship 89 points (lost in play-offs) 16/17 2nd in Championship 93 points 17/18 15th in Prem 18/19 17th in Prem
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 17:01:56 GMT
Impressive stats aren't they. I'm guessing the people who don't want him haven't looked at those stats. I'd completely forgotten that 4th place he got with Birmingham in 2012. That was a fantastic achievement given all the financial stuff they were dealing with 09/10 Newcastle 1st in Championship 102 pts 10/11Newcastle Sacked with them in 12th in Prem 11/12 Birmingham 4th in Championship (lost in play-offs) 12/13 Norwich 11th in Prem 13/14 Norwich Sacked after 33 games with Norwich in 17th in Prem 14/15 Brighton Kept them in Championship, in 20th, after taking over with them in the relegation zone in December 15/16 3rd in Championship 89 points (lost in play-offs) 16/17 2nd in Championship 93 points 17/18 15th in Prem 18/19 17th in Prem Can we have a breakdown of where they were before he arrived and how much he spent and how many new players he needed to turn things around? Just think we should do all the due diligence and send it to Jon Coates as he clearly won’t think to do it 😂
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Post by neddy on Sept 1, 2019 17:02:05 GMT
Impressive stats aren't they. I'm guessing the people who don't want him haven't looked at those stats. I'd completely forgotten that 4th place he got with Birmingham in 2012. That was a fantastic achievement given all the financial stuff they were dealing with 09/10 Newcastle 1st in Championship 102 pts 10/11Newcastle Sacked with them in 12th in Prem 11/12 Birmingham 4th in Championship (lost in play-offs) 12/13 Norwich 11th in Prem 13/14 Norwich Sacked after 33 games with Norwich in 17th in Prem 14/15 Brighton Kept them in Championship, in 20th, after taking over with them in the relegation zone in December 15/16 3rd in Championship 89 points (lost in play-offs) 16/17 2nd in Championship 93 points 17/18 15th in Prem 18/19 17th in Prem I like him great stats but would be interesting to see what Brighton fans would say? I take him in an instant!
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Post by callas12 on Sept 1, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
I'm thinking there would of been urgent meetings/talks between the powers that be over this situation probably last night or during today, perhaps both. The hierarchy are definitely finding themselves Inbetween a rock & a hard place right now. This is potentially the most crucial position the club has been in for years, keep faith & risk the rot continuing while chancing things improve?! Or sack now & have another manager & list of staff on our sacked payroll list & have to employ another new manager who will know doubt come with their own back room team! We really are in a mess & the wrong decision either way could be costly to our short & long term future.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2019 17:05:20 GMT
I'd completely forgotten that 4th place he got with Birmingham in 2012. That was a fantastic achievement given all the financial stuff they were dealing with 09/10 Newcastle 1st in Championship 102 pts 10/11Newcastle Sacked with them in 12th in Prem 11/12 Birmingham 4th in Championship (lost in play-offs) 12/13 Norwich 11th in Prem 13/14 Norwich Sacked after 33 games with Norwich in 17th in Prem 14/15 Brighton Kept them in Championship, in 20th, after taking over with them in the relegation zone in December 15/16 3rd in Championship 89 points (lost in play-offs) 16/17 2nd in Championship 93 points 17/18 15th in Prem 18/19 17th in Prem I like him great stats but would be interesting to see what Brighton fans would say? I take him in an instant! Yeah. There's always an untold story and loads of context you don't get from the stats Don't think there were many Brighton fans who were sad to see the back of him in the end. The basic numbers do paint him in a good light though.
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Post by milky on Sept 1, 2019 17:06:28 GMT
Not having a pop at you but where has the obsession on here with Hughton come from? He's a nice bloke who's been badly treated at other clubs but in all honesty he's bang average manager. He's no Guardiola... But the headline achievements of his career are very decent, aren't they? Championship and 100 points with Newcastle. Sacked half way through the following season with them in 12th in the Premier League 4th in the Championship with Birmingham the next season Then an 11th place in the Prem with Norwich - and kept them up again the following season. And then 3rd place - followed by runners-up and 90-odd points with Brighton - then 2 seasons of Premier survival. I know things ended badly there, they spent a lot (not always on player he wanted) and his football got roundly criticised. But is there anyone better out there? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-hughton/leistungsdatenLigenNational/trainer/2654Good God.. We should be pulling up trees to get him here. Our board are notorious for dithering though.They will sit on their hands fiddling until around November then make a panic appointment because no one half decent will touch us. The only reason they acted swiftly with Rowett was because his gob made his position untenable.
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Post by neddy on Sept 1, 2019 17:06:35 GMT
Yeah. There's always an untold story and loads of context you don't get from the stats Don't think there were many Brighton fans who were sad to see the back of him in the end. The basic numbers do paint him in a good light though. Yep Hughes had 3 9th places 🤦♂️
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 1, 2019 17:11:08 GMT
It is hard to say - but got a feeling they'll sack him tomorrow If he survives tomorrow, he'll probably survive the international break. With nothing coming out on Saturday I did suspect Monday might be axe day. Agreed if he survives the international break then he stays longer. Get rid tomorrow and you've got plenty of time to get the new man through the door.
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Post by cooper67 on Sept 1, 2019 17:14:37 GMT
That lad at Ipswich appears to be doing a good job!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2019 17:21:47 GMT
Impressive stats aren't they. I'm guessing the people who don't want him haven't looked at those stats. I'd completely forgotten that 4th place he got with Birmingham in 2012. That was a fantastic achievement given all the financial stuff they were dealing with 09/10 Newcastle 1st in Championship 102 pts 10/11Newcastle Sacked with them in 12th in Prem 11/12 Birmingham 4th in Championship (lost in play-offs) 12/13 Norwich 11th in Prem 13/14 Norwich Sacked after 33 games with Norwich in 17th in Prem 14/15 Brighton Kept them in Championship, in 20th, after taking over with them in the relegation zone in December 15/16 3rd in Championship 89 points (lost in play-offs) 16/17 2nd in Championship 93 points 17/18 15th in Prem 18/19 17th in Prem Better than Bruce's stats. Hughton fits us like a glove. The board need to grow some and get him in this week.
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