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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 7:59:23 GMT
We aren't a very attractive proposition at the minute are we. We never have been & Stoke On Trent doesn’t have the wow factor of Brighton😔 Prestbury does though, that won't be the issue.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 8:00:08 GMT
I do want to get back in at the highest level that I can,” he said That doesn't mean he'd rule out the Championship. Yeah, I'm struggling to see any clubs he'd be sexy enough for in the Prem who are likely to be looking any time soon. Can't see Watford going for him, for example? And any jobs that would open up in this league are likely to be teams in trouble. Thinking about it, I think we'd be about the best he could do any time soon. Would he see it the same way though? He's 60, southern based and has been all of his life and is no doubt still getting paid by Brighton for the remainder of his contract period. In his eyes, what is the rush to come to a team that is bottom of the league, approaching FFP restriction years with a squad that has got two managers the sack (obviously assuming the job would be available...)? Personally at this stage, I wouldn't cross a road for this job. The Cardiff job will be available next season as Warnock himself has said he is leaving. He'd be a perfect fit with an extra years worth of wiggle room in the finances, and a more stable squad. He surely also has one eye on the Fulham job if things go wrong there under Parker?
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 2, 2019 8:04:40 GMT
Yeah, I'm struggling to see any clubs he'd be sexy enough for in the Prem who are likely to be looking any time soon. Can't see Watford going for him, for example? And any jobs that would open up in this league are likely to be teams in trouble. Thinking about it, I think we'd be about the best he could do any time soon. Would he see it the same way though? He's 60, southern based and has been all of his life and is no doubt still getting paid by Brighton for the remainder of his contract period. In his eyes, what is the rush to come to a team that is bottom of the league, approaching FFP restriction years with a squad that has got two managers the sack (obviously assuming the job would be available...)? Personally at this stage, I wouldn't cross a road for this job. The Cardiff job will be available next season as Warnock himself has said he is leaving. He'd be a perfect fit with an extra years worth of wiggle room in the finances, and a more stable squad. He surely also has one eye on the Fulham job if things go wrong there under Parker? Warnock is 70 years old and ppl say TP is a dinosaour .....
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2019 8:05:12 GMT
Yeah, I'm struggling to see any clubs he'd be sexy enough for in the Prem who are likely to be looking any time soon. Can't see Watford going for him, for example? And any jobs that would open up in this league are likely to be teams in trouble. Thinking about it, I think we'd be about the best he could do any time soon. Would he see it the same way though? He's 60, southern based and has been all of his life and is no doubt still getting paid by Brighton for the remainder of his contract period. In his eyes, what is the rush to come to a team that is bottom of the league, approaching FFP restriction years with a squad that has got two managers the sack (obviously assuming the job would be available...)? Personally at this stage, I wouldn't cross a road for this job. The Cardiff job will be available next season as Warnock himself has said he is leaving. He'd be a perfect fit with an extra years worth of wiggle room in the finances, and a more stable squad. He surely also has one eye on the Fulham job if things go wrong there under Parker? Depends how keen he is to get back in to management. As financially comfortable as they are, most of them seem to be addicted to it. He could just sit tight on the last 2 years of his Brighton deal and bugger off to Portugal for the winter, but even at 60, most of them don't seem wired that way. There's no guarantee Cardiff or Fulham will crop up any time soon. And he seems pretty flexible geographically. Newcastle and Norwich were pretty out on a limb moves for him, and he went to Birmingham too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 8:08:30 GMT
Would he see it the same way though? He's 60, southern based and has been all of his life and is no doubt still getting paid by Brighton for the remainder of his contract period. In his eyes, what is the rush to come to a team that is bottom of the league, approaching FFP restriction years with a squad that has got two managers the sack (obviously assuming the job would be available...)? Personally at this stage, I wouldn't cross a road for this job. The Cardiff job will be available next season as Warnock himself has said he is leaving. He'd be a perfect fit with an extra years worth of wiggle room in the finances, and a more stable squad. He surely also has one eye on the Fulham job if things go wrong there under Parker? Depends how keen he is to get back in to management. As financially comfortable as they are, most of them seem to be addicted to it. He could just sit tight on the last 2 years of his Brighton deal and bugger off to Portugal for the winter, but even at 60, most of them don't seem wired that way. There's no guarantee Cardiff or Fulham will crop up any time soon. And he seems pretty flexible geographically. Newcastle and Norwich were pretty out on a limb moves for him, and he went to Birmingham too. I just don't think he's been out of the game long enough to consider this type of challenge both league position wise and geographically. He'll still see himself as a top end Championship manager at the very least, and sadly, we're now a long way from being that. Ironically, I think there is more chance of Moyes given how long he's been out. There were rumours he was considering a move to the MLS not so long ago. He'll be the more desperate of the two, and I think even he is a long shot.
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Post by marrer on Sept 2, 2019 8:11:40 GMT
We aren't a very attractive proposition at the minute are we. We never have been & Stoke On Trent doesn’t have the wow factor of Brighton😔 There's a beach at Rudyard. What's wrong with that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 8:11:42 GMT
Depends how keen he is to get back in to management. As financially comfortable as they are, most of them seem to be addicted to it. He could just sit tight on the last 2 years of his Brighton deal and bugger off to Portugal for the winter, but even at 60, most of them don't seem wired that way. There's no guarantee Cardiff or Fulham will crop up any time soon. And he seems pretty flexible geographically. Newcastle and Norwich were pretty out on a limb moves for him, and he went to Birmingham too. I just don't think he's been out of the game long enough to consider this type of challenge both league position wise and geographically. He'll still see himself as a top end Championship manager at the very least, and sadly, we're now a long way from being that. Ironically, I think there is more chance of Moyes given how long he's been out. There were rumours he was considering a move to the MLS not so long ago. He'll be the more desperate of the two, and I think even he is a long shot. Coates has a hard on for Moyes, he'd be our number one target.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2019 8:12:21 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2019 8:15:44 GMT
Depends how keen he is to get back in to management. As financially comfortable as they are, most of them seem to be addicted to it. He could just sit tight on the last 2 years of his Brighton deal and bugger off to Portugal for the winter, but even at 60, most of them don't seem wired that way. There's no guarantee Cardiff or Fulham will crop up any time soon. And he seems pretty flexible geographically. Newcastle and Norwich were pretty out on a limb moves for him, and he went to Birmingham too. I just don't think he's been out of the game long enough to consider this type of challenge both league position wise and geographically. He'll still see himself as a top end Championship manager at the very least, and sadly, we're now a long way from being that. Ironically, I think there is more chance of Moyes given how long he's been out. There were rumours he was considering a move to the MLS not so long ago. He'll be the more desperate of the two, and I think even he is a long shot. I think you've used the example of Moyes as a good one to counter your argument for Hughton's position now. Moyes turned us down because he wanted to wait for a position more fitting of his stature, he misjudged that stature and the position never arrived, meaning (as you say) ironically we might now have become his best bet. Will Hughton risk doing the same?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2019 8:28:14 GMT
I'd be pleased with Moyes - and maybe he is now, strangely, desperate enough - for fear of entering The Curbishley Zone.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2019 8:32:04 GMT
I'd be pleased with Moyes - and maybe he is now, strangely, desperate enough - for fear of entering The Curbishley Zone. Yeah Moyes or Hughton I'd be fine with. I'd say Moyes is still higher profile than Hughton, something our squad needs. Hughton has the experience getting out of this league though which is crucial imo.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 2, 2019 8:33:41 GMT
I'd be pleased with Moyes - and maybe he is now, strangely, desperate enough - for fear of entering The Curbishley Zone. Yeah Moyes or Hughton I'd be fine with. I'd say Moyes is still higher profile than Hughton, something our squad needs. Hughton has the experience getting out of this league though which is crucial imo. You're probably going to be a happy man then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 8:33:41 GMT
I just don't think he's been out of the game long enough to consider this type of challenge both league position wise and geographically. He'll still see himself as a top end Championship manager at the very least, and sadly, we're now a long way from being that. Ironically, I think there is more chance of Moyes given how long he's been out. There were rumours he was considering a move to the MLS not so long ago. He'll be the more desperate of the two, and I think even he is a long shot. I think you've used the example of Moyes as a good one to counter your argument for Hughton's position now. Moyes turned us down because he wanted to wait for a position more fitting of his stature, he misjudged that stature and the position never arrived, meaning (as you say) ironically we might now have become his best bet. Will Hughton risk doing the same? If he comes here and fails then at his age he'll be pretty much dead and buried won't he? Likewise, would he risk that? We're all guilty of rose tinted specs at times but looking at our job objectively, and possibly too harshly, I'm not sure it's that attractive at the moment. Our team still needs a pretty big rebuild in certain areas with a cash situation that will only be further restricted from here on in. I might be way off here Paul but I'm just not convinced he'd take the job if it was available and offered.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2019 8:41:30 GMT
I think you've used the example of Moyes as a good one to counter your argument for Hughton's position now. Moyes turned us down because he wanted to wait for a position more fitting of his stature, he misjudged that stature and the position never arrived, meaning (as you say) ironically we might now have become his best bet. Will Hughton risk doing the same? If he comes here and fails then at his age he'll be pretty much dead and buried won't he? Likewise, would he risk that? We're all guilty of rose tinted specs at times but looking at our job objectively, and possibly too harshly, I'm not sure it's that attractive at the moment. Our team still needs a pretty big rebuild in certain areas with a cash situation that will only be further restricted from here on in. I might be way off here Paul but I'm just not convinced he'd take the job if it was available and offered. Wouldn't the Stoke City job be the biggest job in the championship. We're adrift at the bottom of the league, anyone coming in would be seen to be improving us as its impossible to get any worse.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 2, 2019 8:57:03 GMT
There are 100s of managers who want to manage in the Premier league,but there are only about 12 out of 20 that may become vacant,there are more than 12 managers better than Hughton around Europe,so he needs to lower his expectations.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2019 9:03:45 GMT
I think you've used the example of Moyes as a good one to counter your argument for Hughton's position now. Moyes turned us down because he wanted to wait for a position more fitting of his stature, he misjudged that stature and the position never arrived, meaning (as you say) ironically we might now have become his best bet. Will Hughton risk doing the same? If he comes here and fails then at his age he'll be pretty much dead and buried won't he? If that was to be the case, it would be the same with any other Championship club wouldn't it? And ordinarily, I think managers don't tend to consider failure as an option at their next job anyway, their egos are so big, that they always back themselves to be a success in their next post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 9:08:51 GMT
If he comes here and fails then at his age he'll be pretty much dead and buried won't he? Likewise, would he risk that? We're all guilty of rose tinted specs at times but looking at our job objectively, and possibly too harshly, I'm not sure it's that attractive at the moment. Our team still needs a pretty big rebuild in certain areas with a cash situation that will only be further restricted from here on in. I might be way off here Paul but I'm just not convinced he'd take the job if it was available and offered. Wouldn't the Stoke City job be the biggest job in the championship. We're adrift at the bottom of the league, anyone coming in would be seen to be improving us as its impossible to get any worse. Yeah exactly. It's risk/reward isn't it. I don't personally believe we're that much of a basket case as others but if we are that's the risk but the reward is you turn it around and you're an instant hero and lauded as the person or sorted out the basket case of Stoke City Football Club.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 2, 2019 9:14:05 GMT
If he comes here and fails then at his age he'll be pretty much dead and buried won't he? Likewise, would he risk that? We're all guilty of rose tinted specs at times but looking at our job objectively, and possibly too harshly, I'm not sure it's that attractive at the moment. Our team still needs a pretty big rebuild in certain areas with a cash situation that will only be further restricted from here on in. I might be way off here Paul but I'm just not convinced he'd take the job if it was available and offered. Wouldn't the Stoke City job be the biggest job in the championship. We're adrift at the bottom of the league, anyone coming in would be seen to be improving us as its impossible to get any worse. Spot on. A mate of mine was speaking to a manager of another club in this league who was saying what he could do with our squad. Although we lack a good left back and defensive mid, an experienced manager will come in and quickly work out what players he trusts and simplify things for them. A simple coherent game plan is needed here. Jones has all sorts of systems and squad rotation etc, and it's been disastrous. There is a great chance here for a manager to enhance their reputation. If I was Hughton I'd back myself to come in here and start turning results around straight away, and gain plenty of plaudits in the press and be immediately hero-worshipped by our long suffering fans. Three of the next four are at home. Now is the time to make the change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 9:19:52 GMT
Wouldn't the Stoke City job be the biggest job in the championship. We're adrift at the bottom of the league, anyone coming in would be seen to be improving us as its impossible to get any worse. Spot on. A mate of mine was speaking to a manager of another club in this league who was saying what he could do with our squad. Although we lack a good left back and defensive mid, an experienced manager will come in and quickly work out what players he trusts and simplify things for them. A simple coherent game plan is needed here. Jones has all sorts of systems and squad rotation etc, and it's been disastrous. There is a great chance here for a manager to enhance their reputation. If I was Hughton I'd back myself to come in here and start turning results around straight away, and gain plenty of plaudits in the press and be immediately hero-worshipped by our long suffering fans. Three of the next four are at home. Now is the time to make the change. Who was that? Given you're Glasgow and he is from Bellshill, I'd say it was Alex Neil?
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2019 9:20:11 GMT
Yeah Moyes or Hughton I'd be fine with. I'd say Moyes is still higher profile than Hughton, something our squad needs. Hughton has the experience getting out of this league though which is crucial imo. You're probably going to be a happy man then. Which one then?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 2, 2019 9:27:58 GMT
Spot on. A mate of mine was speaking to a manager of another club in this league who was saying what he could do with our squad. Although we lack a good left back and defensive mid, an experienced manager will come in and quickly work out what players he trusts and simplify things for them. A simple coherent game plan is needed here. Jones has all sorts of systems and squad rotation etc, and it's been disastrous. There is a great chance here for a manager to enhance their reputation. If I was Hughton I'd back myself to come in here and start turning results around straight away, and gain plenty of plaudits in the press and be immediately hero-worshipped by our long suffering fans. Three of the next four are at home. Now is the time to make the change. Who was that? Given you're Glasgow and he is from Bellshill, I'd say it was Alex Neil? No mate it was just an informal chat, not someone who is in the frame, though I think neil would do well at stoke. I think a lot of managers in this league are quite open in their interviews anyway that stoke has a quality squad, a lot of them would back themselves to turn things around quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 9:43:04 GMT
Who was that? Given you're Glasgow and he is from Bellshill, I'd say it was Alex Neil? No mate it was just an informal chat, not someone who is in the frame, though I think neil would do well at stoke. I think a lot of managers in this league are quite open in their interviews anyway that stoke has a quality squad, a lot of them would back themselves to turn things around quickly. Yep every manager and pundit is completely baffled and the pundits pointing out the obvious mistakes the manager is making.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 2, 2019 11:30:09 GMT
IF we bring in a new manager,it must be one,who if he gets us promoted,must be able to keep us up,how many managers get teams promoted,but are then unable to cope in a higher division? Colin Wanker types will get you up,but bring you back down again.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 2, 2019 12:52:14 GMT
I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumours But I think that Gods got a sick sense of humour And if we get Moyes I expect to find him laughing
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Post by serpico on Sept 2, 2019 13:03:55 GMT
Moyes did an interview with the mirror (or sun, can’t remember which) in July and in it they say he’s waiting for a top tier job, although that wasn’t a direct quote from him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 13:06:25 GMT
Moyes did an interview with the mirror (or sun, can’t remember which) in July and in it they say he’s waiting for a top tier job, although that wasn’t a direct quote from him. His best chance there is a rapture and himself being one of the only cunts not left behind, if he wants to get into the top tier he's going to have to earn it now his stock is pretty goddam low.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Sept 2, 2019 13:09:22 GMT
Mr Coates?.....I've been expecting you.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 2, 2019 13:20:01 GMT
I think you've used the example of Moyes as a good one to counter your argument for Hughton's position now. Moyes turned us down because he wanted to wait for a position more fitting of his stature, he misjudged that stature and the position never arrived, meaning (as you say) ironically we might now have become his best bet. Will Hughton risk doing the same? If he comes here and fails then at his age he'll be pretty much dead and buried won't he? Likewise, would he risk that? We're all guilty of rose tinted specs at times but looking at our job objectively, and possibly too harshly, I'm not sure it's that attractive at the moment. Our team still needs a pretty big rebuild in certain areas with a cash situation that will only be further restricted from here on in. I might be way off here Paul but I'm just not convinced he'd take the job if it was available and offered. I am damned sure Hughton wouldn’t touch Stoke with a shitty stick because he’s in no hurry and has his sights on a PL team. These big names all came up when we sacked Lambert and Rowett, and we ended up with two much less experienced managers. They are going to stick with Jones and try to ride it out.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2019 13:44:04 GMT
What 'big team' is going to give Hughton or Moyes a job?
Of the Prem jobs likely to be available anytime soon, Watford tend to look abroad and Hodgson has started better than expected at Palace. There isn't really another option beyond a basket case like Newcastle.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 2, 2019 15:28:04 GMT
What 'big team' is going to give Hughton or Moyes a job? Of the Prem jobs likely to be available anytime soon, Watford tend to look abroad and Hodgson has started better than expected at Palace. There isn't really another option beyond a basket case like Newcastle. That may well be true, but why would Hughton or Moyes take on a basket case like Stoke, especially if the budget to bring in new players is limited due to FP rules and owners wanted us to be self sufficient?
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