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Post by gingerninja on Sept 1, 2019 10:31:07 GMT
For any manager who can turn us around there is massive kudos and a significantly enhanced reputation.. It's just finding that person!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2019 10:31:34 GMT
When asked about his future plans he said he was keen to get back into football...... 1 has to be the “right job” for him 2 wants to work at the highest possible level as he feels he has demonstrated he can manage in the Premier Sounds like he's just firing the first shot in the negotiations on his salary demands with us, to me ... 😜
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Post by walrus on Sept 1, 2019 10:33:14 GMT
My prediction is a lot of fans will wake up around Christmas time and start to look a bit deeper and further than the dugout. Maybe this is 97/98 and we're going to end up with three managers in a season again? It’s got to be a problem high up there is no other explanation While there are undoubtedly issues behind the scenes, we’re six games into the season and have no discernible identity as a side, no idea what formation works best, and no idea what our best eleven is. The buck stops with the manager for that.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 1, 2019 10:34:40 GMT
To misquote Brian clough he's not in the top one on the list so its irrelevant what he wants
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 1, 2019 10:36:31 GMT
When asked about his future plans he said he was keen to get back into football...... 1 has to be the “right job” for him 2 wants to work at the highest possible level as he feels he has demonstrated he can manage in the Premier Sounds like he's just firing the first shot in the negotiations on his salary demands with us, to me ... 😜 Here's hoping! Come on Chris, you know it makes sense!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 1, 2019 10:38:17 GMT
When asked about his future plans he said he was keen to get back into football...... 1 has to be the “right job” for him 2 wants to work at the highest possible level as he feels he has demonstrated he can manage in the Premier So for all of you working towards a happy ending with Hughton I suggest you pick another fantasy figure. You’d have to be delusional or suicidally desperate to want to manage Stoke at the moment. Who’s going to offer him a job of that calibre any time soon then?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 1, 2019 10:43:43 GMT
Let’s be honest any competent manager is going to look good very quickly here just by stopping one of the most expensive squads in the division from getting relegated! All other expectations have now gone out of the window. I'm still expecting the play offs (not under Jones) This league is wank. I’d give it 2 more games and if we are not 6 points better off you can forget promotion.
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Post by rawli on Sept 1, 2019 10:51:29 GMT
No, it really doesn’t NEED to be someone like that. Any experienced figure can come in and work out characters. It doesn’t take Einstein to deduce where the problems are. Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones couldn’t sort it. There is a track record here of outsiders making things worse. We need a man who knows what the problems are from day 1 and has a track record of previously sorting situations like the one we currently find. You got anyone in mind? I'm really struggling to come up with someone who ticks all these boxes.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 1, 2019 10:52:05 GMT
There is clearly a deep rooted problem at the club , whatever that is I really dont know but someone down there needs to take charge and get it sorted instead if pretending it isnt there .
I struggle to see how Jones turns it round but I dont know which manager can if they dont come into the place with full knowledge of the problems to be sorted .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 10:57:13 GMT
He wants a Premier League club though... He’ll take any job that pays well enough. We should be moving mountains to get him here, an experienced head that would command respect out of these ragtag bunch of dickheads we call our playing staff and he knows this division well. I’ll let him spunk on my face if he wants to just get him here. Bojan will be jealous
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Post by pavel on Sept 1, 2019 11:34:39 GMT
Whilst I agree with what you're saying, you could argue (and I'm starting to believe it more and more) that the one constant here is that the managers we talk about are pretty fucking shit managers. When you chuck these men into a club that is run by idiots then you get what we have seen over the last 4 years or so. My prediction is a lot of fans will wake up around Christmas time and start to look a bit deeper and further than the dugout. Maybe this is 97/98 and we're going to end up with three managers in a season again? It does go beyond the dugout without a doubt, straight though to the upper reaches of the club but Jones's position is basically untenable now, I had high hopes for him but the problems with the squad, results, formations, transfers, tactics, subs, and now his relationship with the fans, et al are firmly in his court. His players, his tactics, formations and philosophy. To be honest he has massively disappointed me, the results obviously, but more importantly, in some ways, his actions not matching his talk, he's not stayed true to his beliefs, not bought in players to match his beliefs, he's been negative, safety first and in some ways arrogant for his first foray in the the higher reaches of the league, he may learn, I hope so, but I think his days here are done. I look back at my optimism when he was bought in and I thought it was bold and positive by the board, however I think I was carried away by his record at Luton and his positive spiel, confidence and record. I then started to look a bit deeper and go beyond the veneer and I saw a game plan that was in many ways very basic and for me, importantly, was based on athleticism that seemed to leave little room for skill, guile and unpredictability. This and his "obsession" , probably too strong a word, to the diamond which further restricted player options and how he was wedded to it, rang alarm bells for me, but I didnt think it could be this bad. I still quite like the guy and think there is a good manager in there, but he needs to start looking at his own performance, scrutinise it, rather than just the players if he is going to prosper in management as he so plainly want to. Perhaps it came too soon for him!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 12:20:17 GMT
It's a fantastic chance for anyone who knows their arse from their elbow to enhance their rep. If someone came in with a coherent plan results will turn around quickly. Not with this group of players.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Sept 1, 2019 12:24:47 GMT
He surely will be first on the list, but there is no guarantee that he'd fancy it.
Whoever comes in will have to use what we have as we can't keep sacking managerial teams and buying new players.
There has to be enough in this squad to at least be comfortable in mid table. That should be the target this season and Hughton (or whoever) will need to know support will be there next summer to make the additions for a new push.
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Post by drfootball on Sept 1, 2019 12:29:21 GMT
We aren't a very attractive proposition at the minute are we. We never have been & Stoke On Trent doesn’t have the wow factor of Brighton😔[/quote Brighton has a wow factor ???? Have you ever been ? It's a dump 😅
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 1, 2019 12:46:36 GMT
We never have been & Stoke On Trent doesn’t have the wow factor of Brighton😔[/quote Brighton has a wow factor ???? Have you ever been ? It's a dump 😅 Yeah & some of the original natives aren’t V nice, but it’s Gay-By-Sea & that = Sexy!
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Post by questionable on Sept 1, 2019 13:00:44 GMT
It's a fantastic chance for anyone who knows their arse from their elbow to enhance their rep. If someone came in with a coherent plan results will turn around quickly. Yes it’s a fantastic job on paper but there’s obviously deviant forces meddling behind the scenes, there’s has to be. Still recall Hughes saying “who else would do the job” then Lambert arrived which pretty much sums this club up. No doubt young Coates is hastily visiting pubs in North Staffordshire looking for NJ’s replacement asking for advice from anyone who attends football games on a regular basis. Christ talk about looking a fool that takes some beating
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 1, 2019 13:11:51 GMT
Standard out of work manager talk. He's got next to no chance of landing a Premier League job. Newcastle in a months time?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 1, 2019 13:12:14 GMT
It's a fantastic chance for anyone who knows their arse from their elbow to enhance their rep. If someone came in with a coherent plan results will turn around quickly. Yes it’s a fantastic job on paper but there’s obviously deviant forces meddling behind the scenes, there’s has to be. Still recall Hughes saying “who else would do the job” then Lambert arrived which pretty much sums this club up. No doubt young Coates is hastily visiting pubs in North Staffordshire looking for NJ’s replacement asking for advice from anyone who attends football games on a regular basis. Christ talk about looking a fool that takes some beating Hughes was bigging himself up when he said that, not referring to any kind of shadowy forces.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 1, 2019 13:15:50 GMT
Honestly think we need to go foreign if we swap Jones. We won’t though
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 1, 2019 13:16:09 GMT
Every manager wants to manage at the highest possible level. Whether he'd get a Premier league job at the moment is all together a different matter. I don't think Nathan is ever going to manage at the highest level. I might be wrong but I'm prepared to bet on it. 365 gimmy some odds...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2019 14:00:54 GMT
Give him whatever he wants. He wants a Premier League club though... I wanted to take Molly Ringwald on the bonnet of a Ford Granada when I was 18 but I had to accept it wasn't going to happen.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 1, 2019 14:16:06 GMT
If I was Hughton.... 1. Would be keeping my eye on Watford 2. And Southampton. 3. Would be expecting Villa to struggle and look for someone with experience over Smith to help Gil keep them up come Nov time 4. If its to be the Championship, would look at Boro - well run club, excellent chairman 5. Alternatively, if Fulham underperform, with their expectations, they might be ruthless this year as we were last year. He could step in there too - he clearly likes London and the SE.
He knows that good opportunities will start to come in from October time.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 1, 2019 14:22:30 GMT
He will be holding out for another Prem club - why would he want to come to a club who are a shambles and adrift at the bottom of the championship and the only ambition of the club is to survive tier 3 football and stay in the championship with a cheaply assembled mess Cheaply assembled? Are you sure about that?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2019 6:47:19 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 2, 2019 6:55:35 GMT
He wants a Premier League club though... I wanted to take Molly Ringwald on the bonnet of a Ford Granada when I was 18 but I had to accept it wasn't going to happen. I had her over a Vauxhall Firenze 1800 , she was great 😎
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Post by magwitch on Sept 2, 2019 6:59:45 GMT
I had some hopes for Nathan Jones but, regretfully, his record does not measure up. Gary Rowett looked a better manager, and the Stoke Board must be wishing they had not fired him. A particular section of Stoke fans must be held responsible for this, and my mind goes back to the Waddington Wall in 1960 when he had a similar problem to Rowett. Then however, the Stoke fans just stayed away rather than chanting personal obscene abuse. I don't blame Rowett for being upset by it, and Mike Pejic was absolutely right in saying that he got a raw deal from the Club, footballwise at least. One thing Jones has got right and that is the problem with the present squad is psychological. Nothing else can explain how they consistently throw away chances of winning by silly errors and basic poor defending. The fear of this sort of thing happening in every game increases the chance that they will happen. It's a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy. Jones has had 9 months to put this right without success, so I believe their belief in him as their know-all guru has gone. Thus his task is even harder than it was in January. For that reason and what happened in the January recruitement, I would go for David Moyes as an older experienced figure who has more chance of imposing self-belief and the will to win on the present fragile squad. Also he needs to start a recovery now so there is more chance of strengthening the squad in January. Moyes was interviewed at Bet365 in January and was Peter Coates preferred choice, but apparently John got his way with Nathan Jones. It was a big risk which has backfired spectacularly. Having watched John Coates on Fans Forum, I was not impressed by him and especially so when it was revealed that it was him who wanted Nathan Jones.I do not believe that Jones can turn this around now and save Stoke from relegation next May.
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 2, 2019 7:05:14 GMT
It's a fantastic chance for anyone who knows their arse from their elbow to enhance their rep. If someone came in with a coherent plan results will turn around quickly. my god you're way too optimistic. I'd say absolutely no chance of it being that simple
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Sept 2, 2019 7:17:18 GMT
I do want to get back in at the highest level that I can,” he said That doesn't mean he'd rule out the Championship.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2019 7:31:00 GMT
I do want to get back in at the highest level that I can,” he said That doesn't mean he'd rule out the Championship. Yeah, I'm struggling to see any clubs he'd be sexy enough for in the Prem who are likely to be looking any time soon. Can't see Watford going for him, for example? And any jobs that would open up in this league are likely to be teams in trouble. Thinking about it, I think we'd be about the best he could do any time soon.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 2, 2019 7:55:09 GMT
Whilst I agree with what you're saying, you could argue (and I'm starting to believe it more and more) that the one constant here is that the managers we talk about are pretty fucking shit managers. When you chuck these men into a club that is run by idiots then you get what we have seen over the last 4 years or so. My prediction is a lot of fans will wake up around Christmas time and start to look a bit deeper and further than the dugout. Maybe this is 97/98 and we're going to end up with three managers in a season again? Chic Bates, Chris Kamara & Alan Durban. The season we moved into the Brit and the season we were relegated to division 3..along with Man City on that infamous last game of the season.
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