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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 1, 2019 20:23:49 GMT
Might be me but I’d see Alex Neil as as depressing appointment as it gets , failed at Norwich , won nothing at Preston , these journeymen appointments to the most critical role in the club are killing us , another one grateful to be on good money and hostage to the process answer Benj. I realise that this is a bit of a personal question, but how did you eventually cure your dyslexia? Your comments since relegation have actually become understandable. Just learnt to calm down , was very agitated at what I saw coming , now it’s happened I’m more phlegmatic 😉and I know whatever I say Scholes is bomb proof so what’s the point , Alex Neil has Patsy and process written all over it , I’d very reluctantly take Pulis if it meant the end of Scholes and to be fair he’s an infinitely better manager baggage or not.
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Post by Meirparkstokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:24:10 GMT
Can’t see why he’d give a promotion push with a side he’s built and enjoying his job at, to come to a relegation battle with the shithouses we have playing for us. If he does I’ll have no respect for him as he’ll just be here for the money. Yes coz every other manager comes here for the love of Stoke! It’s not about loving Stoke, the difference is... Pulis - unemployed Hughes - unemployed Lambert - unemployed Rowett - did all he could at Derby and the fans hated him Jones - “step up” For everyone else it was an opportunity to come to us, for Neil at the moment it’s a step back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 20:25:05 GMT
Would he have had as big a budget, and future budget, to work with at west brom? Would he have been sacked after a few months if he wasn't in the top 4 at west brom? Yeah - the stability issue could tempt him. Nixon said that if we offer him a long-term deal, he could well go for it, presumably because he knows the Coates family will stick with him. This Spinksy article basically suggests we were quite prepared to stick with Jones through ALMOST anything such was our desire to give him time to build something over a number of seasons - but not quite this. It is going to take 50 years for the dust to settle after that fake manager.
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Post by liam007 on Nov 1, 2019 20:25:58 GMT
FFS Sir Peter tell thee lad it's Pulis and Delap or your putting his board upto 30 quid a week!
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Post by harlequin on Nov 1, 2019 20:26:17 GMT
Yes coz every other manager comes here for the love of Stoke! It’s not about loving Stoke, the difference is... Pulis - unemployed Hughes - unemployed Lambert - unemployed Rowett - unemployed Jones - “step up” For everyone else it was an opportunity to come to us, for Neil at the moment it’s a step back. Rowett was at Derby mate.
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Post by Meirparkstokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:27:42 GMT
It’s not about loving Stoke, the difference is... Pulis - unemployed Hughes - unemployed Lambert - unemployed Rowett - unemployed Jones - “step up” For everyone else it was an opportunity to come to us, for Neil at the moment it’s a step back. Rowett was at Derby mate. Just edited forgot he was still there when we appointed him 👍🏻
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Post by thevoid on Nov 1, 2019 20:30:06 GMT
Might be me but I’d see Alex Neil as as depressing appointment as it gets , failed at Norwich , won nothing at Preston , these journeymen appointments to the most critical role in the club are killing us , another one grateful to be on good money and hostage to the process answer Failed at Norwich? He got them promoted. What do you think he should be winning at Preston, with one of the lowest budgets in the division?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2019 20:30:19 GMT
Really not sure on this, and certainly not getting excited by it. This could be another Rowett moment for me. On paper it looks right and has potential to be a good fit. Knows the league Previous promotion Managed in the Prem Current team in the play off's But, and here is the but. Our club is utterly poison currently. It's not about the 90 minutes on a Saturday there are some serious Ego's and bad apples still tied to this club. It is going to be completely different to Norwich and Preston, jury is out for me. So what’s the alternative, you could say that about any manager, they’d all be facing the same situation... I’d be delighted if he came, what’s not to like Well, I will be in them minority again but I will repeat what I have said on countless occasions on here now. For me, and me personally there are 2 standout names that are currently out of work being Moyes and Hughton. These 2 for me, are the closest I could get to almost guaranteeing that they will firstly stop the slide and secondly put us on the best possible path to getting back out of this division. If I, at any moment got wind they wanted the job, Jones would have been gone like a shot as it is a ruthless business. As it is, we are now a club looking for our 4th manager in 2 years, we have a squad that is borderline unmanageable and is just about treading water. I would have stuck with Jones (I know people want blood and the last 2 games have been horrific) but we've now just rocked the boat even further. Hughes was sacked. Hindsight shows he probably would have got the wins to keep us up. Lambert was sacked. Hindsight shows we probably should have kept him. Rowett was sacked. Pissed the fans off but no risk of relegation. Jones has been sacked. Let's hope the trend doesnt continue.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:31:10 GMT
First name an Australian bowler, second name the colour of your bellend Skippy Purple? The oatcake at its best
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Post by thevoid on Nov 1, 2019 20:31:54 GMT
Alex Neil will not leave Preston. Dont rule out Pulis. Why will Alex Neil want to come here, when he rejected West Brom. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Gunslinger on Nov 1, 2019 20:34:02 GMT
Really not sure on this, and certainly not getting excited by it. This could be another Rowett moment for me. On paper it looks right and has potential to be a good fit. Knows the league Previous promotion Managed in the Prem Current team in the play off's But, and here is the but. Our club is utterly poison currently. It's not about the 90 minutes on a Saturday there are some serious Ego's and bad apples still tied to this club. It is going to be completely different to Norwich and Preston, jury is out for me. My thoughts exactly - he did a decent job at Norwich and done a cracking job at Preston, but he has had decent foundations to build upon. Problem is, has he worked with egos like we have, has he walked into a club as poison as us and will he get the respect of particularly our senior pros as his track record, although good, is still short. Think we need a patriarchal figure, who will get players fighting for them as well as fearing him, someone with a track record who has turned round shit shows before. Really think we need Big Sam, Hughton, Moyes, or my personal choice, as unpopular as it will go down, TP. Knowing us though, we will chase a glamour appointment, who will laugh at our feeble seduction and we will end up with Chris Coleman - cheap, Welsh and talks a good game, Scholes and Jon will be masturbating themselves into a frenzy. That is just how I see it too. This is not the time to experiment, we need someone with experience and the ability to get things done. But not TP.
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Post by anto on Nov 1, 2019 20:34:28 GMT
Alex Neil’s credentials:
1) he’’s Not TP
That’s all the boxes ticked, go get him
😁
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Post by datguy on Nov 1, 2019 20:34:35 GMT
Come on down, Alex. He'd be the dream appointment with our circumstances.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 1, 2019 20:37:43 GMT
Might be me but I’d see Alex Neil as as depressing appointment as it gets , failed at Norwich , won nothing at Preston , these journeymen appointments to the most critical role in the club are killing us , another one grateful to be on good money and hostage to the process answer So, BB, in the time honoured response to naysaying proposed managers - who is your choice of someone who has never failed, has won things and, as he must be currently employed, who will leave his present club? I know it's not your job to choose the next incumbent BUT it's too easy for you to just keep knocking back everyone else's choice and saying nothing yourself. So, nail your colours to the mast and give us someone with whom we can ALL agree. Right now I’d take the fourth choice of the big 4 Pulis who’d behind hughton , allardyce and Moyes all of whom having the gravitas and records to save us and build , I’d put anyone of them in the boardroom too as part of the package . id hate Pulis here in many ways but if the alternative is Neil an£ the like I’d swallow my pride . i have assumed the first three won’t come Allardyce as I’ve said for 4 years of course would be first choice .but that ship sailed long ago. if it’s not them id think overseas I’d take mark Hughes ahead of another journeyman whose managing preston for a reason , he’s never been considered good enough for a bigger job . candidly to say I’ve never suggested alternatives is ridiculous , I’ve championed Allardyce for every appointment since Pulis
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Post by southcoaststokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:38:15 GMT
Bob McGrory, Lou Macari, been alot of good scottish managers, please not another welshman, even Lambert was better than jones.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 1, 2019 20:38:26 GMT
Alex Neil is a really tough one to weigh up if I am honest, for sure ticks the not Pulis box, but is he really worth busting the bank for?. Not sure he would come given they are 2nd in the league. What's his record like in the transfer market with decent money?. Did he buy Winkel whatever his name was for big money at Norwich?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 1, 2019 20:38:55 GMT
Dario Gradi seen at hanford subway just. Handing out jelly babies to all the kids?
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:39:58 GMT
Might be me but I’d see Alex Neil as as depressing appointment as it gets , failed at Norwich , won nothing at Preston , these journeymen appointments to the most critical role in the club are killing us , another one grateful to be on good money and hostage to the process answer Benj. I realise that this is a bit of a personal question, but how did you eventually cure your dyslexia? Your comments since relegation have actually become understandable. Because the gravity crocodile no longer does his typing But the rumour is it’s ready to make a return as we plummet to league one
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Post by zerps on Nov 1, 2019 20:41:49 GMT
Dario Gradi seen at hanford subway just. Handing out jelly babies to all the kids? Macadamia cookies mate
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Post by senojbor on Nov 1, 2019 20:43:08 GMT
Are they serious, someone tell me this is a sick joke.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 1, 2019 20:43:32 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 1, 2019 20:45:37 GMT
Might be me but I’d see Alex Neil as as depressing appointment as it gets , failed at Norwich , won nothing at Preston , these journeymen appointments to the most critical role in the club are killing us , another one grateful to be on good money and hostage to the process answer Failed at Norwich? He got them promoted. What do you think he should be winning at Preston, with one of the lowest budgets in the division? I’m simply pointing out surviving on the lowest budget is no strong recommendation for the best paid job in the championship .we need a proven strong , independent leader
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Post by sean on Nov 1, 2019 20:45:43 GMT
you heard it here first Alex Neil in the directors box next to John Coates on Monday night, changes his mind overnight and TP unveiled on Tues by Peter
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 20:46:08 GMT
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Post by serpico on Nov 1, 2019 20:46:41 GMT
Be interesting to see what a competent manager can do with this squad of players.
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Post by robstokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:48:38 GMT
So what’s the alternative, you could say that about any manager, they’d all be facing the same situation... I’d be delighted if he came, what’s not to like Well, I will be in them minority again but I will repeat what I have said on countless occasions on here now. For me, and me personally there are 2 standout names that are currently out of work being Moyes and Hughton. These 2 for me, are the closest I could get to almost guaranteeing that they will firstly stop the slide and secondly put us on the best possible path to getting back out of this division. If I, at any moment got wind they wanted the job, Jones would have been gone like a shot as it is a ruthless business. As it is, we are now a club looking for our 4th manager in 2 years, we have a squad that is borderline unmanageable and is just about treading water. I would have stuck with Jones (I know people want blood and the last 2 games have been horrific) but we've now just rocked the boat even further. Hughes was sacked. Hindsight shows he probably would have got the wins to keep us up. Lambert was sacked. Hindsight shows we probably should have kept him. Rowett was sacked. Pissed the fans off but no risk of relegation. Jones has been sacked. Let's hope the trend doesnt continue. Hughes had lost the plot - can't see where he would have got the wins to keep us up - the way things were turning, we could well have plummeted further. Lambert was a nice bloke, but had nothing to show from his work since Norwich to suggest he could turn our fortunes around - he was at Villa when they slowly sunk away on his watch. Also, would he have had the chance to build his own squad or would he have been stuck with Hughes dregs? Rowett, for me, was the one that got away. Yes, he pissed off a lot of people with his comments and his arrogance, and the fact we spent massive money doesn't sit well on his record (rumour was that Vokes and Batth were coming under Rowett, and came under NJ) but he at least turned our squad of over hyped over paid and undertalented wank into at least a half cohesive, if not pretty side. Honestly think if we had given him more time and he was here today, we would be no-where near the mess we are. I wanted NJ to succeed, but results were hardly impressive when he came in until the end of last season. A lot of people, myself included, gave him the benefit of the doubt, but this season has shown how out of his depth he really has been. Anyone who has free reign of who he brings in, one of the top 3 wage budgets and half a season as a free hit to implement his methods and get the squad to buy into it yet takes us backwards is obviously not cut out to manage at this level. Nice bloke apparently, but a bluffer who tried to hide his (many) failings behind a bit of badge kissing. Unfortunately, the board fell for it hook line and sinker. Worse than Kamara and Ball in my opinion
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Post by harlequin on Nov 1, 2019 20:48:47 GMT
If that answers the question and means FFPs not an issue why did we shop in the bargain bin last transfer window?
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Post by Fred Merger on Nov 1, 2019 20:50:10 GMT
Be interesting to see what a competent manager can do with this squad of players. But then again, would a competent manager have signed the majority of these players?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 1, 2019 20:50:33 GMT
It would constitute a bit of a coup if we get Neil. I'd be over the moon. If 'Just what the doctor ordered' was a picture it would be... I wouldn't want to get in a scrap with the stony faced fucker either
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Post by zerps on Nov 1, 2019 20:50:39 GMT
His ears are bullish as fuck.
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