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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2019 6:30:52 GMT
1 Hughton 272
2 Pulis 124 3 Moyes 109 4 Allardyce 106
5 Sanchez Flores 72 6 Neil 65 7 Monk 51
8 Pearson 32 9 Cowley 26
10 Terry 16 11 Van Bronckhorst 13 12 P. Neville, Karanka 10
14 Campbell 9 15 Bowyer 8 16 Carvalhal 7
17 Adkins 5 18 Stendel, Coleman, Pardew, Cook , Puel 3 23 McInnes, Parkinson 2 25 O'Neill 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 6:46:45 GMT
1 Hughton 2722 Pulis 1243 Moyes 1094 Allardyce 1065 Sanchez Flores 726 Neil 657 Monk 518 Pearson 329 Cowley 2610 Terry 1611 Van Bronckhorst 1312 P. Neville, Karanka 1014 Campbell 915 Bowyer 816 Carvalhal 717 Adkins 518 Stendel, Coleman, Pardew, Cook , Puel 323 McInnes, Parkinson 225 O'Neill 1124 votes? Man alive.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2019 6:59:05 GMT
1 Hughton 2722 Pulis 1243 Moyes 1094 Allardyce 1065 Sanchez Flores 726 Neil 657 Monk 518 Pearson 329 Cowley 2610 Terry 1611 Van Bronckhorst 1312 P. Neville, Karanka 1014 Campbell 915 Bowyer 816 Carvalhal 717 Adkins 518 Stendel, Coleman, Pardew, Cook , Puel 323 McInnes, Parkinson 225 O'Neill 1124 votes? Man alive. I can just about see the appeal this time around. We are a complete train wreck and the thread comparing us to the 89/90 and 97/98 squads scared the shit out of me! I couldn't quite go there myself, not least because I don't think his recent record shows he could actually deliver the classic Pulis act any longer, even ignoring all the other stuff that'd follow him here. And it wouldn't be just a short-term thing. If he kept us up, he wouldn't disappear into the Sandbanks sunset. Of course the one positive would be seeing the back of Scholes!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2019 7:53:05 GMT
Should have been offered the job before he moved to Glasgow. There is nothing to suggest he would have sorted this mess out anyway, he's totally inexperienced, a baying mob, massive expectations, players buckling under the pressure. Lampard took over a club in decent condition, scfc isn't a simple job Like Lampard, his name is a 'pull' for players. Not going to happen now anyway
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2019 7:55:56 GMT
He wouldn’t come north? We have been going south for the last three years - I think that he may meet us half way. Newcastle was fairly north 😂
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2019 7:57:31 GMT
Monk dragged Brum out of a rut. Mind you, so did Rowett
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 3, 2019 8:39:54 GMT
I can just about see the appeal this time around. We are a complete train wreck and the thread comparing us to the 89/90 and 97/98 squads scared the shit out of me! I couldn't quite go there myself, not least because I don't think his recent record shows he could actually deliver the classic Pulis act any longer, even ignoring all the other stuff that'd follow him here. And it wouldn't be just a short-term thing. If he kept us up, he wouldn't disappear into the Sandbanks sunset. Of course the one positive would be seeing the back of Scholes! I can understand the appeal of Scholes going if Pulis comes. But as much as we dislike Scholes, is it worth it if the trade off is the return of Tracksuit Tony? Not for me!
The problem is as you say FM, we get him back then he won't be doing a one time mission. It'll be a multi year deal and he'll want to start running things again.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2019 9:22:41 GMT
I can just about see the appeal this time around. We are a complete train wreck and the thread comparing us to the 89/90 and 97/98 squads scared the shit out of me! I couldn't quite go there myself, not least because I don't think his recent record shows he could actually deliver the classic Pulis act any longer, even ignoring all the other stuff that'd follow him here. And it wouldn't be just a short-term thing. If he kept us up, he wouldn't disappear into the Sandbanks sunset. Of course the one positive would be seeing the back of Scholes! I can understand the appeal of Scholes going if Pulis comes. But as much as we dislike Scholes, is it worth it if the trade off is the return of Tracksuit Tony? Not for me!
The problem is as you say FM, we get him back then he won't be doing a one time mission. It'll be a multi year deal and he'll want to start running things again.
Yeah, definitely. I do think we're enough of a mess for his name to legitimately cross people's lips this time around. But I just can't go there. It's just not worth it. I think we're more likely to have yet another big push for David Moyes. He's starting to enter that weird forgotten phase. Unless you watch your step, you can quickly become Alan Curbishley. We might finally be desperate enough for each other. And certainly Hughton is such an obvious appointment he can be seen from space. I do think he'd come. Don't think Big Sam would be interested. If Hughton and Moyes said no, things do get trickier. I'd probably look at Alex Neil then, but not 100% sure he'd take it. He's on to a good thing there and his reputation is gradually rising again.
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Post by reddipotter on Sept 3, 2019 9:25:20 GMT
Monk dragged Brum out of a rut. Mind you, so did Rowett Though Monk did well, since hearing of some of his dodgy dealings with agents, Blues fans are happy that he's gone.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 3, 2019 9:40:32 GMT
I can understand the appeal of Scholes going if Pulis comes. But as much as we dislike Scholes, is it worth it if the trade off is the return of Tracksuit Tony? Not for me!
The problem is as you say FM, we get him back then he won't be doing a one time mission. It'll be a multi year deal and he'll want to start running things again.
Yeah, definitely. I do think we're enough of a mess for his name to legitimately cross people's lips this time around. But I just can't go there. It's just not worth it. I think we're more likely to have yet another big push for David Moyes. He's starting to enter that weird forgotten phase. Unless you watch your step, you can quickly become Alan Curbishley. We might finally be desperate enough for each other. And certainly Hughton is such an obvious appointment he can be seen from space. I do think he'd come. Don't think Big Sam would be interested. If Hughton and Moyes said no, things do get trickier. I'd probably look at Alex Neil then, but not 100% sure he'd take it. He's on to a good thing there and his reputation is gradually rising again. I think Coates will go balls deep for Moyes this time. Mega contract, big bonuses for promotion either this season or next season. Failing that, we go for Hughton. Now if Hughton turned round and said no, then that is where the club starts to enter 'Ask Tony Pulis' territory, at least from the owner perspective.
Someone likes Moyes would definitely command player respect, but again I know you say he's entering the weird forgotton phase but will he fancy sorting this shit heap out if he reckons he's top job material? I still think he'd refuse it, but then at the same time imagine the plaudits he'd get if he got us in a great position.
I don't think they would go for Neil personally. It's Moyes, Hughton or Tone as their personal top 3 IMO.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2019 11:13:03 GMT
Yeah, definitely. I do think we're enough of a mess for his name to legitimately cross people's lips this time around. But I just can't go there. It's just not worth it. I think we're more likely to have yet another big push for David Moyes. He's starting to enter that weird forgotten phase. Unless you watch your step, you can quickly become Alan Curbishley. We might finally be desperate enough for each other. And certainly Hughton is such an obvious appointment he can be seen from space. I do think he'd come. Don't think Big Sam would be interested. If Hughton and Moyes said no, things do get trickier. I'd probably look at Alex Neil then, but not 100% sure he'd take it. He's on to a good thing there and his reputation is gradually rising again. I think Coates will go balls deep for Moyes this time. Mega contract, big bonuses for promotion either this season or next season. Failing that, we go for Hughton. Now if Hughton turned round and said no, then that is where the club starts to enter 'Ask Tony Pulis' territory, at least from the owner perspective.
Someone likes Moyes would definitely command player respect, but again I know you say he's entering the weird forgotton phase but will he fancy sorting this shit heap out if he reckons he's top job material? I still think he'd refuse it, but then at the same time imagine the plaudits he'd get if he got us in a great position. I don't think they would go for Neil personally. It's Moyes, Hughton or Tone as their personal top 3 IMO.
Yeah - I'd like to think they'd certainly ask Hughton and Moyes initially, and I'd be amaed if that wasn't the case. 2 'No's from those 2 and it does get pretty interesting. As you say, Pulis would probably start entering the equation about then (depending what the relationship between them and Pulis is really like) because they will want that experienced 'does what it says on the tin' type and there just aren't many of them about. Pearson's been off the radar too long - and don't think they'd touch Monk with all the stuff in the press. Karanka? Not really. Pardew? Not really I do think they'd like Neil, but very open question if he'd come. Would they get rid of Scholes to enable Pulis? It's a big call. But bringing him back at all would be seismic. Then again, bringing him back in 2006 was earth-shattering at the time.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 3, 2019 11:19:14 GMT
Moyes?
Has everyone forgotten the complete shit show he orchestrated at Blunderland?
Or, is his defence that it was the club that was a trainwreck? Because if it was, he'd be coming to ano and the outcome would most likely be the same.
I think they're 'sticking' personally.
Can see the appeal of 'twisting' with, say, Hughton for some right now but he's got a definite shelf life for me.
Anyway, Jon's still got my boy's number in his phone I bet ; )
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Post by lordb on Sept 3, 2019 11:25:16 GMT
Moyes?
Has everyone forgotten the complete shit show he orchestrated at Blunderland?
Or, is his defence that it was the club that was a trainwreck? Because if it was, he'd be coming to ano and the outcome would most likely be the same.
I think they're 'sticking' personally.
Can see the appeal of 'twisting' with, say, Hughton for some right now but he's got a definite shelf life for me.
Anyway, Jon's still got my boy's number in his phone I bet ; ) Moyes did redeem himself at West Ham, did a good job there would assume Moyes wouldn't be interested in the job anyroad
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 3, 2019 11:48:47 GMT
I think Coates will go balls deep for Moyes this time. Mega contract, big bonuses for promotion either this season or next season. Failing that, we go for Hughton. Now if Hughton turned round and said no, then that is where the club starts to enter 'Ask Tony Pulis' territory, at least from the owner perspective.
Someone likes Moyes would definitely command player respect, but again I know you say he's entering the weird forgotton phase but will he fancy sorting this shit heap out if he reckons he's top job material? I still think he'd refuse it, but then at the same time imagine the plaudits he'd get if he got us in a great position. I don't think they would go for Neil personally. It's Moyes, Hughton or Tone as their personal top 3 IMO.
Yeah - I'd like to think they'd certainly ask Hughton and Moyes initially, and I'd be amaed if that wasn't the case. 2 'No's from those 2 and it does get pretty interesting. As you say, Pulis would probably start entering the equation about then (depending what the relationship between them and Pulis is really like) because they will want that experienced 'does what it says on the tin' type and there just aren't many of them about. Pearson's been off the radar too long - and don't think they'd touch Monk with all the stuff in the press. Karanka? Not really. Pardew? Not really I do think they'd like Neil, but very open question if he'd come. Would they get rid of Scholes to enable Pulis? It's a big call. But bringing him back at all would be seismic. Then again, bringing him back in 2006 was earth-shattering at the time. I think Hughton is definitely the most likely of him and Moyes.
Tony Pulis is the poster boy for does what it says on the tin. Two no's and I have no doubt that an approach would be made. It'd be Peter's Call. And I really do believe that he'd get rid of Teflon to make it happen.
Pearson is a nutter, and probably wouldn't be good to have at this moment, then again Tone wasn't exactly always coming up smelling of roses. Pardew we shouldn't go near with a barge pole. A dreadful manager who always collapses. Karanka is basically the Spanish Pulis.
Neil has a good thing going at Preston, we could certainly do PNE over financially, but is it worth it to sacrifice what he has going on right now?
If it did come to Pulis, I wouldn't be very happy. If it possibly meant getting rid of Scholes, that only softens the blow a little. At the same time, it gives us chance to appoint a true CEO that does CEO things, and get a proper technical director in. Sadly I think Tone would be averse to the latter. He'd demand too much for me. It might fix this season but it could be fractured at best from next season onwards.
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Post by neddy on Sept 3, 2019 12:21:04 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 3, 2019 12:23:16 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo? No.
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Post by neddy on Sept 3, 2019 12:28:06 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo? No. Oh ok...
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 3, 2019 12:28:59 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo? would you be happy in your job to be demoted to someones bitch, especially when you were touted as the next big thing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 3, 2019 12:30:36 GMT
When has it ever worked in the past? Why would Jones humiliate himself like that? Would two managers who have, theoretically, fairly radically different methods and backgrounds be able to work together easily?
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 3, 2019 12:47:56 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo? That would just be humiliating for Jones at best.
Imagine you just got employed as Manager of a pub. You're struggling a bit but you're sure you will soon get up to speed. The owners of the pub then tell you that you are being moved down to Assistant Manager of the pub.
You would not let that happen. In fact, it would be downright insulting.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 3, 2019 12:51:53 GMT
1 Hughton 2722 Pulis 1243 Moyes 1094 Allardyce 1065 Sanchez Flores 726 Neil 657 Monk 518 Pearson 329 Cowley 2610 Terry 1611 Van Bronckhorst 1312 P. Neville, Karanka 1014 Campbell 915 Bowyer 816 Carvalhal 717 Adkins 518 Stendel, Coleman, Pardew, Cook , Puel 323 McInnes, Parkinson 225 O'Neill 126. Inchy Heath 1
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Post by neddy on Sept 3, 2019 13:18:45 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo? That would just be humiliating for Jones at best. Imagine you just got employed as Manager of a pub. You're struggling a bit but you're sure you will soon get up to speed. The owners of the pub then tell you that you are being moved down to Assistant Manager of the pub.
You would not let that happen. In fact, it would be downright insulting.
Absolutely get that and said long shot but just as he worked with him before. Just a thought!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2019 13:18:47 GMT
I think Coates will go balls deep for Moyes this time. Mega contract, big bonuses for promotion either this season or next season. Failing that, we go for Hughton. Now if Hughton turned round and said no, then that is where the club starts to enter 'Ask Tony Pulis' territory, at least from the owner perspective.
Someone likes Moyes would definitely command player respect, but again I know you say he's entering the weird forgotton phase but will he fancy sorting this shit heap out if he reckons he's top job material? I still think he'd refuse it, but then at the same time imagine the plaudits he'd get if he got us in a great position. I don't think they would go for Neil personally. It's Moyes, Hughton or Tone as their personal top 3 IMO.
Yeah - I'd like to think they'd certainly ask Hughton and Moyes initially, and I'd be amaed if that wasn't the case. 2 'No's from those 2 and it does get pretty interesting. As you say, Pulis would probably start entering the equation about then (depending what the relationship between them and Pulis is really like) because they will want that experienced 'does what it says on the tin' type and there just aren't many of them about. Pearson's been off the radar too long - and don't think they'd touch Monk with all the stuff in the press. Karanka? Not really. Pardew? Not really I do think they'd like Neil, but very open question if he'd come. Would they get rid of Scholes to enable Pulis? It's a big call. But bringing him back at all would be seismic. Then again, bringing him back in 2006 was earth-shattering at the time. Scholes IN
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2019 19:04:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 20:06:02 GMT
When has it ever worked in the past? Why would Jones humiliate himself like that? Would two managers who have, theoretically, fairly radically different methods and backgrounds be able to work together easily? Jones doesn't seem to be having any problems whatsoever, at the moment, coping with humiliation.
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Post by hoofmagic on Sept 3, 2019 20:07:02 GMT
JOSE MARINHO 273
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Post by royalewithcheese on Sept 3, 2019 20:18:08 GMT
Such a strange set of circumstances.
I don't think I've ever known a more likeable Stoke City manager.
His positivity and passion is infectious. I dont think I've ever wanted a manger to succeed more.
Yet here we are, 3 wins in almost 30 games and his actions depict a rabbit caught in the headlights.
Maybe we're about to go an unbelievable Moneyball-esque/Oakland A's winning streak, and storm up the league?
Or maybe we'll show too much loyalty and end up right in the shit.
The one thing I dont expect is an imminent sacking.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 3, 2019 20:21:46 GMT
1 Hughton 2722 Pulis 1243 Moyes 1094 Allardyce 1065 Sanchez Flores 726 Neil 657 Monk 518 Pearson 329 Cowley 2610 Terry 1611 Van Bronckhorst 1312 P. Neville, Karanka 1014 Campbell 915 Bowyer 816 Carvalhal 717 Adkins 518 Stendel, Coleman, Pardew, Cook , Puel 323 McInnes, Parkinson 225 O'Neill 126. Inchy Heath 1With Steve Bould assistant. Dream team. 😊
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
Such a strange set of circumstances. I don't think I've ever known a more likeable Stoke City manager. His positivity and passion is infectious. I dont think I've ever wanted a manger to succeed more. Yet here we are, 3 wins in almost 30 games and his actions depict a rabbit caught in the headlights. Maybe we're about to go an unbelievable Moneyball-esque/Oakland A's winning streak, and storm up the league? Or maybe we'll show too much loyalty and end up right in the shit.
The one thing I dont expect is an imminent sacking. We are in the shit.
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Post by lordb on Sept 3, 2019 21:26:56 GMT
Would Hughton come as manager and Jones be assistant? Long shot but would save the compo? Sacking the manager and then forcing the new manager to take the old one as assistant? What a ludicrous notion. Couldn't possibly happen at any club ever.... ...what is Chic Bates doing these days?...
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