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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 14, 2019 18:04:11 GMT
Yes I do realize we are bottom of the league. This guy doesn’t want to play for Stoke, what effect might this have on team morale? What happens when he has his next strop and decides to down tools? I know I’d attract some level of opprobrium with this opinion but it’s just not good management If he helps drag us off the bottom of the table with performances like that I reckon it might have a reasonable effect on team morale... You might be right TA but I still believe it’s the wrong thing to do, it also shows that Jones doesn’t follow his words with actions. New culture be damned
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 18:05:23 GMT
He's the reason we won't be relegated IMHO.
He was a class above today
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2019 18:07:05 GMT
Very good game today.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2019 18:12:23 GMT
If he helps drag us off the bottom of the table with performances like that I reckon it might have a reasonable effect on team morale... You might be right TA but I still believe it’s the wrong thing to do, it also shows that Jones doesn’t follow his words with actions. New culture be damned For all we know he’s been a model professional this season.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 14, 2019 18:14:43 GMT
You might be right TA but I still believe it’s the wrong thing to do, it also shows that Jones doesn’t follow his words with actions. New culture be damned For all we know he’s been a model professional this season. Don’t think a model professional would allow their agent to (paraphrasing) say that their player would never play for Stoke again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2019 18:28:01 GMT
For all we know he’s been a model professional this season. Don’t think a model professional would allow their agent to (paraphrasing) say that their player would never play for Stoke again. Depends on the context doesn’t it? He wants to leave no question, but as long as he does the business on the pitch I really don’t see the problem. Thing literally couldn’t be any worse than they are and we have a quality player we can make use of to help us, if only for 3-4 months.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 18:29:11 GMT
He showed what a good defensive midfielder can do to a side.
MOM easy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 18:30:21 GMT
Was fucking supreme today.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 14, 2019 18:35:50 GMT
Don’t think a model professional would allow their agent to (paraphrasing) say that their player would never play for Stoke again. Depends on the context doesn’t it? He wants to leave no question, but as long as he does the business on the pitch I really don’t see the problem. Thing literally couldn’t be any worse than they are and we have a quality player we can make use of to help us, if only for 3-4 months. Respect your opinions on here TA but we’ll have to disagree on this. Badou, he played well, but I’m blaming Jones for picking him. He has done almost the total opposite of what he has said/claimed. It’s appalling leadership and he has no credibility and can’t be trusted. Who will buy into a culture when the leader himself doesn’t. I’d great hopes for Jones and if he stuck to his guns I’d still be backing him but he’s duplicitous and needs to go
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 14, 2019 18:46:31 GMT
He showed what a good defensive midfielder can do to a side. MOM easy. Not many people were saying to bring him back. Been banging the drum for ages as I think you may have been. Even at 50% effort he’s better than all our other midfielders.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 14, 2019 18:47:26 GMT
Mustard today. Provides some hope for the rest of the season
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 14, 2019 18:52:28 GMT
The answer for us lies in 4-2-3-1 and badou has to be in the two ... which we knew was one of a handful of credible systems with our players from last season, so first thing is to find a manager that recognises that. And its not our current one. Definitely a step in the right direction
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 14, 2019 18:52:49 GMT
Mustard today. Provides some hope for the rest of the season Him and Etebo in midfield along with, in fairness Clucas, who I thought had a good game today. In reality anyone but Joe Allen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 18:56:05 GMT
He showed what a good defensive midfielder can do to a side. MOM easy. Not many people were saying to bring him back. Been banging the drum for ages as I think you may have been. Even at 50% effort he’s better than all our other midfielders. I happily wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire but desperate times called for desperate measures. And he’s a good player and that’s what we need despite his twatishness. Today showed why.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 14, 2019 19:00:00 GMT
He was absolutely magnificent, a shining performance in a sea of utter dross so far this season. Yes indeed. And maybe a bit more to come as he can’t be totally match fit.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 14, 2019 19:11:11 GMT
I said before the game that not one player who has played for Stoke so far this season can complain at being dropped and Badou could not be worse than any of them. During the game I said he was head and shoulders above anybody else in both footballing skills but also putting his body on the line. If he doesn't care or want to play for Stoke I don't know what that says about the rest of the players (Gregory excepted). I have no problem with him wanting to play at the highest level. It's called ambition and it amazes me he is still with us as he's far too good for this league.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2019 19:23:02 GMT
Depends on the context doesn’t it? He wants to leave no question, but as long as he does the business on the pitch I really don’t see the problem. Thing literally couldn’t be any worse than they are and we have a quality player we can make use of to help us, if only for 3-4 months. Respect your opinions on here TA but we’ll have to disagree on this. Badou, he played well, but I’m blaming Jones for picking him. He has done almost the total opposite of what he has said/claimed. It’s appalling leadership and he has no credibility and can’t be trusted. Who will buy into a culture when the leader himself doesn’t. I’d great hopes for Jones and if he stuck to his guns I’d still be backing him but he’s duplicitous and needs to go I’ve lost most of my faith in Jones but we’re really not in a position to be high minded about who we pick.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2019 19:24:36 GMT
Without doubt the biggest plus of the day. Who cares where his head's at if he's prepared to put a shift in like that?
Sadly for NJ, I think it'll be the next manager who gets the benefit.
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Post by philm87 on Sept 14, 2019 19:25:01 GMT
Badou was great today.
Hope he starts every week from now on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 19:25:44 GMT
Without doubt the biggest plus of the day. Who cares where his head's at if he's prepared to put a shift in like that? Sadly for NJ, I think it'll be the next manager who gets the benefit. And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs
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Post by AlliG on Sept 14, 2019 19:33:31 GMT
What cost? We’re bottom of the fucking league man! He’s one of our best players and he needs to turn it on if he wants his move. It’s a marriage of convenience but we just have to hold our nose and get on with it. Yes I do realize we are bottom of the league. This guy doesn’t want to play for Stoke, what effect might this have on team morale? What happens when he has his next strop and decides to down tools? I know I’d attract some level of opprobrium with this opinion but it’s just not good management I wish we had a few more who "don't want to play for Stoke" if they put in performances like that and no-one on the pitch seemed to have any problems with him being there! I fail to see how getting a committed performance out of a player who is obviously from today's performance a level (or more) above the rest can be seen as anything other than good management. I think there seem to be a few people who are prepared to cut their nose off to spite their faces. Someone complained on P&G that he still shouldn't play because he is a mercenary. With the exception of Tom Edwards, none of our players will have grown up dreaming of playing for Stoke, so they are all mercenaries. I will be happy if he plays like that until the end of December and if he then gets himself a decent move (and we should get some money back) then everyone is a winner, though hopefully he might still be here to the summer.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:34:14 GMT
Depends on the context doesn’t it? He wants to leave no question, but as long as he does the business on the pitch I really don’t see the problem. Thing literally couldn’t be any worse than they are and we have a quality player we can make use of to help us, if only for 3-4 months. Respect your opinions on here TA but we’ll have to disagree on this. Badou, he played well, but I’m blaming Jones for picking him. He has done almost the total opposite of what he has said/claimed. It’s appalling leadership and he has no credibility and can’t be trusted. Who will buy into a culture when the leader himself doesn’t. I’d great hopes for Jones and if he stuck to his guns I’d still be backing him but he’s duplicitous and needs to go Jones is a very honest honourable man who is struggling against great odds to turn Stoke back into a winning side. Once again today he has been let down by the players by Allen's dismissal and our continued inability to defend the far post which has been part of our demise for the last 3 years. None of us know what has gone on behind the scenes with Badou, but the fact the Jones has got him back in the side and playing with a passion and prepared to put his body on the line is a credit to both men.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 14, 2019 19:34:15 GMT
Without doubt the biggest plus of the day. Who cares where his head's at if he's prepared to put a shift in like that? Sadly for NJ, I think it'll be the next manager who gets the benefit. And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs To be fair, it feels like Badou was always first choice and cousins as back up (Hence trying to offload woods)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 19:35:05 GMT
And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs To be fair, it feels like Badou was always first choice and cousins as back up (Hence trying to offload woods) Why didn’t we play him then? Cousins came here to start.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2019 19:36:47 GMT
Without doubt the biggest plus of the day. Who cares where his head's at if he's prepared to put a shift in like that? Sadly for NJ, I think it'll be the next manager who gets the benefit. And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs Although neither Woods or Cousins even made the bench today - which seems a bit odd with the 3 strikers there. Woods seems out of the picture completely again after his brief rehabilitation - and he finally seems to have realised that the Jordan Cousins we signed is indeed the same one released by QPR!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 19:38:26 GMT
And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs Although neither Woods or Cousins even made the bench today - which seems a bit odd with the 3 strikers there. Woods seems out of the picture completely again after his brief rehabilitation - and he finally seems to have realised that the Jordan Cousins we signed is indeed the same one released by QPR! If Etebo needed resting then Woods was the option. But then the manager is clueless tosser, so that’s fun.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 14, 2019 19:41:34 GMT
Thank god joe allen is now unavailable. A midfield of etebo and ndiaye would be immense, put duffy as the attacking midfielder and we will have a right nasty looking midfield.
May pick up a yellow card or two but at least they are stronger in possession and show more drive than joe allen has in a long time
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Sept 14, 2019 19:42:55 GMT
Clearly a cut above. Should be first name on the team sheet. He will save us this season. Pace, power and passion.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 14, 2019 19:51:07 GMT
To be fair, it feels like Badou was always first choice and cousins as back up (Hence trying to offload woods) Why didn’t we play him then? Cousins came here to start. Because we didn’t want the transfer speculation to effect his performances. The handling of Badou is currently the best thing jones has done in his tenure so far.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 19:52:45 GMT
Why didn’t we play him then? Cousins came here to start. Because we didn’t want the transfer speculation to effect his performances. The handling of Badou is currently the best thing jones has done in his tenure so far. We played calamity Jack.... Just excuses.
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