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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 7:14:00 GMT
Racist,Homophobe,sexist oh do fuck off the lot of you.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 27, 2019 7:27:02 GMT
Throbbing Cocks is my favourite by her, although she’d died before my time...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 7:29:03 GMT
I've missed this one.......who's offended by her now ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 7:55:17 GMT
If they are after all the people from yesteryear that were "offensive" ie told a joke that made light fun of someone when it acceptable by the majority at the time....can we please round up all the teachers who used the kane, pump, ruler, board rubber etc to instill discipline that was acceptable at the time, and lock them up for child abuse or
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Post by telfordstoke on Aug 27, 2019 7:59:30 GMT
Royal Mint have rejected a coin design related to EB on grounds of her bigotry etc. What a world we have become . My dad read her books as a child, I did and my own kids loved Noddy on the tv and have read Famous 5/Secret 7 and thoroughly enjoyed. They find some of the old fashioned terminology funny, and certainly not deeply offensive.
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2019 8:05:38 GMT
If they are after all the people from yesteryear that were "offensive" ie told a joke that made light fun of someone when it acceptable by the majority at the time....can we please round up all the teachers who used the kane, pump, ruler, board rubber etc to instill discipline that was acceptable at the time, and lock them up for child abuse or Not sure what teachers you had mate, but at least they promoted safe sex.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Aug 27, 2019 8:23:13 GMT
This is just another example of judging people from the past by the standards and norms of today. There is nothing wrong with old fashioned values in many ways - but I would not condone racism.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 8:27:18 GMT
I've missed this one.......who's offended by her now ? The Royal Mint who refused a commemorative coin because Noddy and Big Ears had a sexless relationship amongst her other failings are racist for a golliwog story and misogynist characters in her books. She died over 50yrs ago right or wrong it was different then. Shall we destroy all of our history because it might offend.
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Post by telfordstoke on Aug 27, 2019 8:53:42 GMT
We seem to apply the same standards now to any era, and while I truly believe that someone that transgressed significantly in any era needs to be held to account (eg Saville) we seem to vilify other stuff, I mean virtually any sitcom I watched and enjoyed as a kid in the 70s is now unacceptable. I didn’t say this out loud on hols but my daughter mentioned we were next going to the Bristol City game and I remember that was a slang term for boobs and literallly everyone I knew used that . That’d doubtless offend all and sundry now. I’ll assume Carry On films aren’t shown anymore due to the risk of offence. 70s and 80s were a time I remember very fondly and grew up happily in, so to see the rules instantly being rewritten is a sad indictment of things. It’s quite wearisome how the world seems to be going
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2019 8:59:01 GMT
I've missed this one.......who's offended by her now ? The Royal Mint who refused a commemorative coin because Noddy and Big Ears had a sexless relationship amongst her other failings are racist for a golliwog story and misogynist characters in her books. She died over 50yrs ago right or wrong it was different then. Shall we destroy all of our history because it might offend. That's the only one that makes me cringe, but as you say, it was a different time. I'm sure there are plenty of famous historical figures regarded in high esteem that had ideologies and opinions not compatible with todays.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 27, 2019 9:28:35 GMT
Blyton was called out in 1966 for The Little Black Doll in which the doll gets caught in a rainstorm and its face transforms to white at which point it becomes its owner's most popular toy after previously having an "ugly face"
This stuff was being called out 50 years ago, it's a fallacy to suggest Blyton was never challenged on this at the time.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 9:50:40 GMT
Blyton was called out in 1966 for The Little Black Doll in which the doll gets caught in a rainstorm and its face transforms to white at which point it becomes its owner's most popular toy after previously having an "ugly face" This stuff was being called out 50 years ago, it's a fallacy to suggest Blyton was never challenged on this at the time. That is true BUT it's in the past my problem is people using this stuff to attack MODERN Britain. Now I can't be 100% on this but I'm sure EB did not mean any offence and at the time of writing it was fine. The world has changed but you have to let things go. How far and how often do we go back to critise and preach to today's world. You have to accept the past and move on its not fair to use old fashioned views to deny credit for her place in British/ World litairy history. Shall we examine what failings all persons of historical interest have. There's more to the story of EB than just her old fashioned language and views there are other values, family values, trust, friendship, love, bravery, honour, caring, compassion not to mention just having a jolly old time. Look forward not back unless it suits the perpetually offended.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 27, 2019 10:00:33 GMT
I've missed this one.......who's offended by her now ? The Royal Mint who refused a commemorative coin because Noddy and Big Ears had a sexless relationship amongst her other failings are racist for a golliwog story and misogynist characters in her books. She died over 50yrs ago right or wrong it was different then. Shall we destroy all of our history because it might offend. The snag is that the definitions of words such as ‘racist’ have been continually broadened to such an extent that they now encompass all sorts of innocent non-racist activities, sayings and items. The golliwog is a perfect example. I don’t believe that anyone, child or adult, saw that as representing a black human being in either a racist or even derogatory way. It was simply a stuffed toy which happened to be black and, even if it did look a bit like a person, it wasn’t done in a negative way. It was no different than having a stuffed toy which happened to look a bit like a person, but was white, or yellow, or blue or rainbow coloured (although I suppose they would be accusing toymakers of homophobia in that instance). Same for the golliwogs we collected from the jars of marmalade, or watching the Black and White minstrels on the BBC (or the Two Ronnies on the ‘Short and Fat Minstrel Show which was, presumably, racist, dwarfist and body shaming all at the same time). What harm did it do to anyone? None whatsoever. The misrepresentations will continue to be expanded too. How long before we are not allowed to call anyone white because it makes “people of colour” feel excluded? How long before Snow White is similarly accused? (Not to mention its attitude to Dwarfs who are mine workers, and relationships between step-mothers and their step-daughters?) It’s all bad and wicked once the revisionists have hijacked the plot.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 27, 2019 10:09:31 GMT
The Royal Mint who refused a commemorative coin because Noddy and Big Ears had a sexless relationship amongst her other failings are racist for a golliwog story and misogynist characters in her books. She died over 50yrs ago right or wrong it was different then. Shall we destroy all of our history because it might offend. The snag is that the definitions of words such as ‘racist’ have been continually broadened to such an extent that they now encompass all sorts of innocent non-racist activities, sayings and items. The golliwog is a perfect example. I don’t believe that anyone, child or adult, saw that as representing a black human being in either a racist or even derogatory way. It was simply a stuffed toy which happened to be black and, even if it did look a bit like a person, it wasn’t done in a negative way. It was no different than having a stuffed toy which happened to look a bit like a person, but was white, or yellow, or blue or rainbow coloured (although I suppose they would be accusing toymakers of homophobia in that instance). Same for the golliwogs we collected from the jars of marmalade, or watching the Black and White minstrels on the BBC (or the Two Ronnies on the ‘Short and Fat Minstrel Show which was, presumably, racist, dwarfist and body shaming all at the same time). What harm did it do to anyone? None whatsoever. The misrepresentations will continue to be expanded too. How long before we are not allowed to call anyone white because it makes “people of colour” feel excluded? How long before Snow White is similarly accused? (Not to mention its attitude to Dwarfs who are mine workers, and relationships between step-mothers and their step-daughters?) It’s all bad and wicked once the revisionists have hijacked the plot. Again, You’ve been living in Yeovil for too long.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 10:18:26 GMT
The Royal Mint who refused a commemorative coin because Noddy and Big Ears had a sexless relationship amongst her other failings are racist for a golliwog story and misogynist characters in her books. She died over 50yrs ago right or wrong it was different then. Shall we destroy all of our history because it might offend. The snag is that the definitions of words such as ‘racist’ have been continually broadened to such an extent that they now encompass all sorts of innocent non-racist activities, sayings and items. The golliwog is a perfect example. I don’t believe that anyone, child or adult, saw that as representing a black human being in either a racist or even derogatory way. It was simply a stuffed toy which happened to be black and, even if it did look a bit like a person, it wasn’t done in a negative way. It was no different than having a stuffed toy which happened to look a bit like a person, but was white, or yellow, or blue or rainbow coloured (although I suppose they would be accusing toymakers of homophobia in that instance). Same for the golliwogs we collected from the jars of marmalade, or watching the Black and White minstrels on the BBC (or the Two Ronnies on the ‘Short and Fat Minstrel Show which was, presumably, racist, dwarfist and body shaming all at the same time). What harm did it do to anyone? None whatsoever. The misrepresentations will continue to be expanded too. How long before we are not allowed to call anyone white because it makes “people of colour” feel excluded? How long before Snow White is similarly accused? (Not to mention its attitude to Dwarfs who are mine workers, and relationships between step-mothers and their step-daughters?) It’s all bad and wicked once the revisionists have hijacked the plot. That's true I'm not sure where we are heading we seem to be always looking for the bad rather than the good. Are Egyptians all racist for enslaving people back in days of the Pharaoh? of course not but it seems we/some British love to try and gain fame by being controversial and campaign for any old shit. It really does do a diservice for the real issues by blanket offence at obscure and spurious allegations to historical figures.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 27, 2019 10:18:46 GMT
The snag is that the definitions of words such as ‘racist’ have been continually broadened to such an extent that they now encompass all sorts of innocent non-racist activities, sayings and items. The golliwog is a perfect example. I don’t believe that anyone, child or adult, saw that as representing a black human being in either a racist or even derogatory way. It was simply a stuffed toy which happened to be black and, even if it did look a bit like a person, it wasn’t done in a negative way. It was no different than having a stuffed toy which happened to look a bit like a person, but was white, or yellow, or blue or rainbow coloured (although I suppose they would be accusing toymakers of homophobia in that instance). Same for the golliwogs we collected from the jars of marmalade, or watching the Black and White minstrels on the BBC (or the Two Ronnies on the ‘Short and Fat Minstrel Show which was, presumably, racist, dwarfist and body shaming all at the same time). What harm did it do to anyone? None whatsoever. The misrepresentations will continue to be expanded too. How long before we are not allowed to call anyone white because it makes “people of colour” feel excluded? How long before Snow White is similarly accused? (Not to mention its attitude to Dwarfs who are mine workers, and relationships between step-mothers and their step-daughters?) It’s all bad and wicked once the revisionists have hijacked the plot. Again, You’ve been living in Yeovil for too long. I’m not too sure what you are trying to say, but it sounds as if it may reflect a negative attitude towards the good people of Yeovil on your part. I hope you are not Yeovilist?
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Post by eebygum on Aug 27, 2019 10:42:02 GMT
The snag is that the definitions of words such as ‘racist’ have been continually broadened to such an extent that they now encompass all sorts of innocent non-racist activities, sayings and items. The golliwog is a perfect example. I don’t believe that anyone, child or adult, saw that as representing a black human being in either a racist or even derogatory way. It was simply a stuffed toy which happened to be black and, even if it did look a bit like a person, it wasn’t done in a negative way. It was no different than having a stuffed toy which happened to look a bit like a person, but was white, or yellow, or blue or rainbow coloured (although I suppose they would be accusing toymakers of homophobia in that instance). Same for the golliwogs we collected from the jars of marmalade, or watching the Black and White minstrels on the BBC (or the Two Ronnies on the ‘Short and Fat Minstrel Show which was, presumably, racist, dwarfist and body shaming all at the same time). What harm did it do to anyone? None whatsoever. The misrepresentations will continue to be expanded too. How long before we are not allowed to call anyone white because it makes “people of colour” feel excluded? How long before Snow White is similarly accused? (Not to mention its attitude to Dwarfs who are mine workers, and relationships between step-mothers and their step-daughters?) It’s all bad and wicked once the revisionists have hijacked the plot. That's true I'm not sure where we are heading we seem to be always looking for the bad rather than the good. Are Egyptians all racist for enslaving people back in days of the Pharaoh? of course not but it seems we/some British love to try and gain fame by being controversial and campaign for any old shit. It really does do a diservice for the real issues by blanket offence at obscure and spurious allegations to historical figures. Eur theur for real pal? claimin 'a' racism is an entirely modern invention creyted by t' perpetually offended. if slaves wor procured on racial lines (an' thee wor if t' bible is ta be believed) then wha' 'ood theur call it otha than racism?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 27, 2019 11:19:33 GMT
Blyton was called out in 1966 for The Little Black Doll in which the doll gets caught in a rainstorm and its face transforms to white at which point it becomes its owner's most popular toy after previously having an "ugly face" This stuff was being called out 50 years ago, it's a fallacy to suggest Blyton was never challenged on this at the time. Which is a fair point, however the general attitude at the time was completely different to what it is now, the world has become a much smaller place since then and, quite rightly, attitudes have changed dramatically for the better. I read pretty much all of the Secret Seven and the Famous Five books as a kid* brilliant books wot improved my English no end. *My parents couldn't be arsed dealing with my younger sister's tantrums when they tried to get her to go to bed earlier than me cos she was 5 years younger so I read, a lot! If anything's scarred me chances are it ain't EB's books
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2019 11:25:25 GMT
Blyton was called out in 1966 for The Little Black Doll in which the doll gets caught in a rainstorm and its face transforms to white at which point it becomes its owner's most popular toy after previously having an "ugly face" This stuff was being called out 50 years ago, it's a fallacy to suggest Blyton was never challenged on this at the time. Which is a fair point, however the general attitude at the time was completely different to what it is now, the world has become a much smaller place since then and, quite rightly, attitudes have changed dramatically for the better. I read pretty much all of the Secret Seven and the Famous Five books as a kid* brilliant books wot improved my English no end. *My parents couldn't be arsed dealing with my younger sister's tantrums when they tried to get her to go to bed earlier than me cos she was 5 years younger so I read, a lot! If anything's scarred me chances are it ain't EB's books Your dad really should have hidden his porn collection better.
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 27, 2019 12:07:28 GMT
Don’t even start me on Sooty and Sweep. That Sue was a right little minx too.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 12:21:45 GMT
That's true I'm not sure where we are heading we seem to be always looking for the bad rather than the good. Are Egyptians all racist for enslaving people back in days of the Pharaoh? of course not but it seems we/some British love to try and gain fame by being controversial and campaign for any old shit. It really does do a diservice for the real issues by blanket offence at obscure and spurious allegations to historical figures. Eur theur for real pal? claimin 'a' racism is an entirely modern invention creyted by t' perpetually offended. if slaves wor procured on racial lines (an' thee wor if t' bible is ta be believed) then wha' 'ood theur call it otha than racism? I'll save you some time I can't be arsed to try and decipher your garbage posts so dunna bother asking me anything.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 27, 2019 13:20:40 GMT
Which is a fair point, however the general attitude at the time was completely different to what it is now, the world has become a much smaller place since then and, quite rightly, attitudes have changed dramatically for the better. I read pretty much all of the Secret Seven and the Famous Five books as a kid* brilliant books wot improved my English no end. *My parents couldn't be arsed dealing with my younger sister's tantrums when they tried to get her to go to bed earlier than me cos she was 5 years younger so I read, a lot! If anything's scarred me chances are it ain't EB's books Your dad really should have hidden his porn collection better. That's another story entirely. . I think they had a collection at his work when I joined the Navy, the stack of mags he bought down to my passing in parade was quite impressive Looking back I may have been mistaken in thinking my apparent popularity was down to my sparkling wit and repartee...
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Post by elystokie on Aug 27, 2019 13:23:04 GMT
Eur theur for real pal? claimin 'a' racism is an entirely modern invention creyted by t' perpetually offended. if slaves wor procured on racial lines (an' thee wor if t' bible is ta be believed) then wha' 'ood theur call it otha than racism? I'll save you some time I can't be arsed to try and decipher your garbage posts so dunna bother asking me anything. I saw the question mark at the end and thought 'Yeh, bollocks to that'
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 27, 2019 13:30:29 GMT
Don’t even start me on Sooty and Sweep. That Sue was a right little minx too.
Matthew Corbett constantly fisting them all
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 13:38:28 GMT
Don’t even start me on Sooty and Sweep. That Sue was a right little minx too.
Matthew Corbett constantly fisting them all
Dunna joke Mick it might give somebody an idea to make a quick buck about how they were traumatised when they were a kid. Now they only have "relationships" with puppets, genda neutral ones of course.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 27, 2019 13:40:15 GMT
Matthew Corbett constantly fisting them all
Dunna joke Mick it might give somebody an idea to make a quick buck about how they were traumatised when they were a kid. Now they only have "relationships" with puppets, genda neutral ones of course. He was a right dirty bastard though, at least some ex-goalkeepers had the decency to wear a rubber glove! Corbett went in bareback (as it were)
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 13:41:23 GMT
I'm just watching Hobson's Choice on TCM im fucking disgusted and emailing a complaint to Ted Turner as I post.
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 27, 2019 14:39:46 GMT
Don’t even start me on Sooty and Sweep. That Sue was a right little minx too. Matthew Corbett constantly fisting them all
Andy Pandy was a bit of a rascal too. All of them in one basket every night, including the unfortunately named Loobey Loo. I mean, WTF?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 27, 2019 14:41:55 GMT
Isn't former Slave owner George Washington on some American coins?
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 27, 2019 14:44:56 GMT
Why have elephants got big ears?
Because Noddy won’t pay the ransom.
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