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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 24, 2019 21:17:56 GMT
Love the way Bielsa just sits there on his bucket. Not a flicker of emotion when they score but he does sometimes look down at floor if they misplace a pass.
What he’s done with what was a rank average Championship side is pretty phenomenal.
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Post by mrred on Aug 24, 2019 21:18:58 GMT
A picture says a thousand words, really.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 24, 2019 22:24:09 GMT
I don’t think he is able to communicate to them what he wants. Consequently they just go through the motions. I do feel sorry for him. It was too much too soon. I always found it odd he’d left Luton where they were in January. I get we were a better job but we wanted a play off push then and could have done it. It was never a rebuild job at that stage. He just wasn’t ready. A wage rise from 300k to 3mil would tempt anyone into a job relocation no matter how settled you were in your original job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:25:07 GMT
I do feel sorry for him. It was too much too soon. I always found it odd he’d left Luton where they were in January. I get we were a better job but we wanted a play off push then and could have done it. It was never a rebuild job at that stage. He just wasn’t ready. A wage rise from 300k to 3mil would tempt anyone into a job relocation no matter how settled you were in your original job. Yes but it’s not the right reasons.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 24, 2019 22:29:05 GMT
A wage rise from 300k to 3mil would tempt anyone into a job relocation no matter how settled you were in your original job. Yes but it’s not the right reasons. Certainly isnt. Guessing it's the only way Stoke managed to tempt him away from his comfort zone. All it's done is make both Stoke & Jones look silly as Jones at a struggling Luton this season would of been given time and patience by they're fans in recognition of what he'd have achieved with them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:31:05 GMT
Yes but it’s not the right reasons. Certainly isnt. Guessing it's the only way Stoke managed to tempt him away from his comfort zone. All it's done is make both Stoke & Jones look silly as Jones at a struggling Luton this season would of been given time and patience by they're fans in recognition of what he'd have achieved with them. Part of me feel like he’s getting his comeuppance for leaving them when he did. By all accounts he basically went against everything he’d said when he left. It feels like his karma and we are paying the price. It’s why I don’t really trust him.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 24, 2019 22:43:33 GMT
Certainly isnt. Guessing it's the only way Stoke managed to tempt him away from his comfort zone. All it's done is make both Stoke & Jones look silly as Jones at a struggling Luton this season would of been given time and patience by they're fans in recognition of what he'd have achieved with them. Part of me feel like he’s getting his comeuppance for leaving them when he did. By all accounts he basically went against everything he’d said when he left. It feels like his karma and we are paying the price. It’s why I don’t really trust him. Agreed. He had proper sucked the Luton fans into thinking he was a Hatter through and through but quickly had his head turned and was off in a flash without a second thought. Think that's why the Luton fans were so venomous towards him after their initial shock and disappointment had waned that he'd left. I was initially of the opinion he'd of done well with us and we'd of been the next Luton when a Premier League club came calling for him. Far from that likely outcome occurring right now! As you say the Karma appears to be inflicting both Jones and Stoke right now. Wonder if he'll last until 10th Dec to let the Luton fans express their views to him for the first time since leaving!
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 24, 2019 22:46:56 GMT
Every picture I see of Paul Hart he looks shifty, hands in pockets, like the proprietor of a holiday caravan park who has just been released on police bail after a fatal gas explosion thought to have been caused by poor maintenance! :-) Pisser! You don't fancy running a Haven again then?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 24, 2019 22:55:38 GMT
Love the way Bielsa just sits there on his bucket. Not a flicker of emotion when they score but he does sometimes look down at floor if they misplace a pass. What he’s done with what was a rank average Championship side is pretty phenomenal. I think that is the sign of a good manager. I was always taught that all of the hard work was done in training during the week - tactics, set plays, analysis and having a plan B in place. In reality, how much influence does a manager ACTUALLY have when he's on the touchline and his players are in the heat of battle in a noisy stadium full of thousands of supporters? I looked at Bielsa today and you just got the sense that he had complete confidence that his team were fully prepared. From what we saw last year after the 'spygate' affair it looks like he leaves nothing to chance. He's done an amazing job at Leeds - although to be fair he is one of the most widely respected coaches in the world (Pep Guardiola is a big fan!).
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 25, 2019 12:31:46 GMT
They all looked clueless when stood there discussing what the F*** to do..scaringly so infact. Saw that ginge. Completely clueless, wish I’d done a screen shot as it was an epitome of the current fiasco that is Stoke City.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 25, 2019 12:40:41 GMT
Certainly isnt. Guessing it's the only way Stoke managed to tempt him away from his comfort zone. All it's done is make both Stoke & Jones look silly as Jones at a struggling Luton this season would of been given time and patience by they're fans in recognition of what he'd have achieved with them. Part of me feel like he’s getting his comeuppance for leaving them when he did. By all accounts he basically went against everything he’d said when he left. It feels like his karma and we are paying the price. It’s why I don’t really trust him. It feels like a karma has run over his dogma.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 25, 2019 12:44:37 GMT
Every picture I see of Paul Hart he looks shifty, hands in pockets, like the proprietor of a holiday caravan park who has just been released on police bail after a fatal gas explosion thought to have been caused by poor maintenance! :-) Very, very funny. 1983. Nobody died. 1984. Nobody died. 1985...dramatic pause...nobody died. Etc, etc. 1997...SOMEbody died. 1998. Nobody died. Etc, etc.
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